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Capital punishment, where do you stand?
    #26914378 - 09/02/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?

If justified, what methods of execution do you support?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26914431 - 09/02/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Unjustifiable until we figure out a way to raise the dead.

Gas is the only execution method I can support.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26914770 - 09/02/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No way to undo it, so no. At least with incarceration you can release people and try to compensate them.

Nitrogen asphyxiation would be best imo. Has almost the same density as regular air so you wouldn't even know until you were passing out.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Skellies] * 1
    #26916336 - 09/03/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26916441 - 09/03/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its appropriate for high crimes/articles within the Unifom Code of Military Justice. And maybe  some spy/intelligence situations. Thats about my only exception(s).


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26916443 - 09/03/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%




Crime will actually be negative 900%. It's worked in the past, obviously, so why not try again?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26916485 - 09/03/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%




Yet somehow crime has fallen despite more and more states abandoning the death penalty


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26916487 - 09/03/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Unjustifiable until we figure out a way to raise the dead.

Gas is the only execution method I can support.




Either Oklahoma or Nebraska actually has legalized nitrogen asphyxiation as a method


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26916537 - 09/03/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The alternative is for tax payers, to pay thousands of $ a year**, per felon, to feed, clothe & house, some truly horrible people, many of whom are quite comfortable with killing each other --- while the country is full of homeless women and children, and undernourished children.

People love to argue about things in isolation --- but nothing in the world is isolated.

In order to avoid this problem the English, used to send them to Australia !
Now we just avoid arresting some of them, and elect them to office in Washington DC !

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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26916628 - 09/04/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Unjustifiable
Heard somewhere that around 4% of people on death row could actually be innocent


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: laughingdog] * 3
    #26916641 - 09/04/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The alternative is for tax payers, to pay thousands of $ a year**, per felon, to feed, clothe & house, some truly horrible people, many of whom are quite comfortable with killing each other --- while the country is full of homeless women and children, and undernourished children.

People love to argue about things in isolation --- but nothing in the world is isolated.

In order to avoid this problem the English, used to send them to Australia !
Now we just avoid arresting some of them, and elect them to office in Washington DC !

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The alternative is to not have such a massive prison population with ridiculously long sentences.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: koods]
    #26916673 - 09/04/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

laughingdog said:

...People love to argue about things in isolation --- but nothing in the world is isolated.

In order to avoid this problem the English, used to send them to Australia !
[which avoided bothering with executions or the expense of feeding & housing etc.prisoners]
Now we just avoid arresting some of them, and elect them to office in Washington DC !





The alternative is to not have such a massive prison population with ridiculously long sentences.




Agree that the massive prison population with ridiculously long sentences is also a serious problem  - (& so are the conditions in US prisons a serious problem- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzmkeda2XiYpETOP5MjotrQ ; ), but do not agree that there is any one solution -- or that humans will improve/fix most serious problems soon.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: laughingdog] * 3
    #26916745 - 09/04/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
The alternative is for tax payers, to pay thousands of $ a year**, per felon, to feed, clothe & house, some truly horrible people, many of whom are quite comfortable with killing each other --- while the country is full of homeless women and children, and undernourished children.

People love to argue about things in isolation --- but nothing in the world is isolated.

In order to avoid this problem the English, used to send them to Australia !
Now we just avoid arresting some of them, and elect them to office in Washington DC !

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It actually costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, and it's not even close. People who receive the death penalty were usually represented by a public defender (and they probably wouldn't have got the death penalty if they could afford a lawyer).

But once someone receives a sentence of death, the constitution or public policy or whatever, results in them getting a series of appeals where the state appoints a good lawyer, or series of lawyers, who get a bill at high $ per hour, and it amounts to so much that it costs far more then housing, feeding and guarding them for life.

I did like your last paragraph about Australia and DC.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26916842 - 09/04/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I myself am completely against the death penalty.

I asked my spirit guide how he feels about it.

He says: "Humanity is, to a level, authorized to end lives in extreme cases. This includes necessary abortion, necessary euthanasia and capital punishment in the worst cases, where the perpetrator is irredeemable and society would find closure in the death of the perpetrator that it could not find otherwise with the unremorseful perpetrator living on for decades on end, bored to death without anything spiritually fruitful coming from it."

I was like WTF and asked what was his preferred method of execution.

"Nitrogen gas asphyxiation in a gas chamber"


So there, it seems my spirit guide takes no prisoners.




I asked my Spirit Guide how he felt about me being totally against capital punishment and him being in favor. He said "you be beautiful as you are Asante, I need to to be beautiful, I'll be pragmatic."


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26916861 - 09/04/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Your spirit guide needs to speak with a psychiatrist


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26916868 - 09/04/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He's less uptight about death than most humans.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26916871 - 09/04/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That has concerning implications for the human that he controls


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #26916876 - 09/04/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You fail to understand the situation.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: qman] * 1
    #26918020 - 09/04/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Can I change my answer?

I did some thinking, and came to the conclusion that individual human lives are worthless, as long as the species survives. I mean, it sucks for the guy getting executed for a crime that he didn't commit (because women don't get death penalties, statistically), and it sucks for the family of that person, and it's not really any form of justice, but as the same time, who cares? Life goes on. Just be happy you weren't executed by the state, and carry on. Be glad it was someone else's turn.

If people feel better as a result of murdering some scapegoat, who am I to stand against it?

Of course, nothing is infinite, and the human race won't exist forever. Especially the way it is going now. Without significant changes, I doubt we'll last more than a few centuries.


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