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White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. 1
#26914366 - 09/02/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Presented here as one installment on a 16 part series on understanding the Alt Right, an explanation of the underlying dynamics of white fascism.
Please watch the ful 22:44min of it, think along and discuss whether you feel the points raised had merit and tho what extent you feel fascist hierarchy is incorporated in contemporary politics, using the definitions of the video as a guideline.
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: Asante]
#26914423 - 09/02/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This has to be a troll video. What a joke!
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: meltdowner] 1
#26914484 - 09/02/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think it's the best video in the series, but it's a pretty good synthesis of the main points. Specifics:
The idea that "white", unlike every other description, is the absence of distinguishing characteristics is accepted as true.
The idea that Fascism is not an ideology so much as a calcification of established hierarchy.
The only idea that is really expanded upon is that fascism is necessarily a death cult, but it's expanded in a roundabout way. They kind of touch on the basics of what the video calls ultranationalism, which I would more accurately term jingoism, and they touch on the fact that fascists necessarily need an enemy to fight and will eventually cannibalize themselves, but they don't really link those two together very well.
Of course, any of those individual points could fill bookshelves, so it's a pretty good basis for a 22 minute video.
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: Kryptos]
#26914560 - 09/02/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great and pretty concise...dont agree with everything and I may be slow....had to rewatch parts, fucking rapid fire.
Color and meaning also play a role and how people associate feelings and preceptions based on color.
The color BLACK = death, unclean, dark, negative
The color WHITE= pure, alive, bright, clean
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26914581 - 09/02/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Color and meaning also play a role and how people associate feelings and preceptions based on color.
The color BLACK = death, unclean, dark, negative
The color WHITE= pure, alive, bright, clean
That's a very western view. Other cultures this is not the case at all. IIRC Japanese culture associates white with death.
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: Kryptos]
#26914591 - 09/02/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes its Western in nature, but the vast majority is very similar hence the "us because we say so" video eluded to
When in Manila, all the celbs/ rich bleach their skin white. If your dark, you work outside as a laborer and therefore,poor.
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Edited by SirTripAlot (09/02/20 09:26 PM)
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: Kryptos] 3
#26914626 - 09/02/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: I don't think it's the best video in the series, but it's a pretty good synthesis of the main points. Specifics:
The idea that "white", unlike every other description, is the absence of distinguishing characteristics is accepted as true.
The Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture disagrees. Whiteness to them is hard work, individualism, rational thinking, the nuclear family, and history. https://nypost.com/2020/07/16/african-american-history-museums-whiteness-exhibit-raising-eyebrows/
Back to the video, he said something about how white fascists desire to have a purely white nation-state and then tied Trump into this presentation. What is Trump doing to create this nation-state?
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: Asante]
#26914757 - 09/02/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Palingenetic ultranationalism isn't really the same as fascism, but one representation of it. Fascism is an entire ideology and doesn't require divine elements. Political Ideologies by Andrew Heywood breaks it down pretty well. One of the best books I kept from college.
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: Billy Ray]
#26915764 - 09/03/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said:
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Kryptos said: I don't think it's the best video in the series, but it's a pretty good synthesis of the main points. Specifics:
The idea that "white", unlike every other description, is the absence of distinguishing characteristics is accepted as true.
The Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture disagrees. Whiteness to them is hard work, individualism, rational thinking, the nuclear family, and history. https://nypost.com/2020/07/16/african-american-history-museums-whiteness-exhibit-raising-eyebrows/
Back to the video, he said something about how white fascists desire to have a purely white nation-state and then tied Trump into this presentation. What is Trump doing to create this nation-state?
None of those things are exclusive to white people. The implication is that they are, however. That's the point. And it is culturally ingrained, for racist reasons. White is "standard".
As for the video, it explicitly does not tie Trump into fascism. It ties the alt-right into fascism, and it explicitly ties Trump's support to fascism, but as the video says, there is no way to tell if Trump is a fascist at heart, or simply an opportunistic narcissist that exploits the fascist tendencies of his supporters for personal gain.
Though, there is the argument that there is no distinction between a true fascist and someone that exploits fascism for personal gain.
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: Kryptos]
#26915782 - 09/03/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree they’re not. According to these people, a black person who works hard simply internalized their whiteness. The Smithsonian refutes your claim that white is absent of characteristics which you also claim is accepted as true. Accepted as true by who? You n other posters here?
Im still wondering who is creating the fascist pure white nation-state as described in this video. It certainly isn’t Trump, but the fact he tied Trump into his video on white fascism implies he believes Trump is a fascist.
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Re: White Fascism - a 22 minute lecture. [Re: Kryptos]
#26915800 - 09/03/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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One characteristic of fascism relates to the hard regimentation of the economy. It is that part,where I do not see a parallel to Trump....at least based on historical economies of the past.
IMO, fascists deep down inside know its all bullshit (its the power fix). Mussolini doubted Hitler’s concepts on the master race, and hired Jews.
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