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Kurterino
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First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics)
#26914927 - 09/03/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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First post from lurker: my first caps (pics)
Hello,
I’ve been reading here for a few months and using various TEKs to finally see pop up my first caps a couple of days ago (Golden Teachers). They look good to my untrained eye (I’ve only seen them dried before), but there are only a few, about 8-9 in a large tub, so I was hoping to get some input about what I could do better next time.
Here’s what I did: I inoculated sterilized jars of oat grain with liquid spores, waited until fully colonized. Then (August 16) I started two tubs simultaneously, one using the system with another tub used upside down as a cover, this one hasn’t shown anything promising yet. The second tub, which the pics are of, is set up according to BOD’s easy AF unmodified simple tub TEK. I mixed the substrate with colonized spawn and used a trash bag as liner. Later I realized I should have leveled the substrate a lot better. Is this one of the reasons that my harvest is so meager? The substrate is a mix of coir and vermiculite, I was aiming for a 50/50 mix, but I didn’t pay attention and made a 1/3 vermiculite 2/3 coir mix. I didn’t sterilize the substrate in the pressure cooker, but I used a TEK where you dissolve the coir bricks in boiling water in a cooler (with the vermiculite) and leave it there for a couple of hours, which has worked well (no contaminations so far).
From the pics that other users have posted, I would have expected a tub full of mushrooms, so I think I must have done some things wrong, or there’s room for improvement? What do you think?

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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: Kurterino]
#26914930 - 09/03/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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First, welcome to shroomery 
Unfortunatelly, I cant give much advice, I have only a couple of notes: 1. Are you sure thats bods unmodified tek? I see two holes with micropore tape on the side. 2. I think you dont need to sterilize the substrate, but pausterize it. Which you probably did, even though you dunked it in boiling water, when you mixed in the substrate it probably cooled to the appropriate temperature.
If you can take a clone from one of this fruits and repeat the process, you might get better results. Multispore tends to be a hit and miss, and its normal to get only part of the tub fruiting.
First grow no contams, impressive!
Edited by Jatzan (09/03/20 04:44 AM)
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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: Jatzan]
#26914946 - 09/03/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The mushrooms look pretty healthy.
The surface conditions is why there were only a few. It takes a while to learn what good conditions look like and how to maintain them. I’d say yours was getting too wet and too dry on a cycle which is what happens to most people at first.
The two biggest things I had to learn and that I see a lot of people seem to struggle with keeping the humidity up and misting. If you live in a dry area you need very little room for air to get in and tiny changes will make a big difference.
With misting remember that it’s not to water the mushrooms it’s only to keep little beads of water on the surface so they can evaporate and trigger pins. Also don’t mist the surface directly spray up so the water rains down onto it.

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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: A.k.a]
#26914958 - 09/03/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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@ aka: For the misting issue. You say that spraying in the air instead of directly spraying the surface is better. My assumption is, that this is the case, when I have a coarse sprayer. But I have actually a very fine sprayer, what would you say about that? My misting strategy was only the dunking between flushes on my tiny projects so far.
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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: Putrema]
#26914964 - 09/03/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would still not mist it directly at close range. Maybe from a couple feet above but I’ve had some very delicate myc before. When the mist was too direct it sort of pushed the myc into the coir instead of having it stretched across the top like a spider web.
Once that happens or if it gets too dry it never holds water beads the same again.
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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: A.k.a]
#26915089 - 09/03/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those mushrooms do look pretty. It could be any combination of things that led to only a few. Surface conditions, really unlucky genetically though I think that’s rare, making the sub too wet or dry, and contamination. Especially starting from a spore syringe I’d say there’s a better chance of at least a little bacteria in your spawn than none at all.
As to your 50/50 comment OP, you normally want to shoot for 80/20 coir/verm if you decide to use it.
The original bucket tek was written by a guy named Damion5050 and somewhere along the line his name got mixed in as a ratio. I don’t know how and it pops up still at least once a month like 10 years later.
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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: Jatzan]
#26915157 - 09/03/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jatzan said: First, welcome to shroomery 
Unfortunatelly, I cant give much advice, I have only a couple of notes: 1. Are you sure thats bods unmodified tek? I see two holes with micropore tape on the side. 2. I think you dont need to sterilize the substrate, but pausterize it. Which you probably did, even though you dunked it in boiling water, when you mixed in the substrate it probably cooled to the appropriate temperature.
If you can take a clone from one of this fruits and repeat the process, you might get better results. Multispore tends to be a hit and miss, and its normal to get only part of the tub fruiting.
First grow no contams, impressive! 
Thank you, it's actually my second try. On my first run, I got 'cold feet' after a week or so and thought there wasn't enough fresh air (don't ask me why...), so I drilled a few air holes (3), which I didn't even plug with poly fill, and I immediately got mould beneath them within a couple of days. That's why there is tape, it's to plug these holes and it's not micropore tape, just relatively thin tape, but at least two layers of it, and there's no FAE through them, I'm sure (or so little that it doesn't matter).
As to your second point, yes I think the point of the procedure was to achieve at least pasteurisation. I don't know if anyone here sterilises his substrate? It would be doable with a pressure cooker, but very time consuming...
I haven't read about clones yet, so that's something to study... I produced another batch of jars via g2g inoculation when I started the tub, so now I have enough spawn to start another tub with it once this one is harvested.
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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: A.k.a]
#26915166 - 09/03/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Putrema said: @ aka: For the misting issue. You say that spraying in the air instead of directly spraying the surface is better. My assumption is, that this is the case, when I have a coarse sprayer. But I have actually a very fine sprayer, what would you say about that? My misting strategy was only the dunking between flushes on my tiny projects so far.
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A.k.a said: The mushrooms look pretty healthy.
The surface conditions is why there were only a few. It takes a while to learn what good conditions look like and how to maintain them. I’d say yours was getting too wet and too dry on a cycle which is what happens to most people at first.
The two biggest things I had to learn and that I see a lot of people seem to struggle with keeping the humidity up and misting. If you live in a dry area you need very little room for air to get in and tiny changes will make a big difference.
With misting remember that it’s not to water the mushrooms it’s only to keep little beads of water on the surface so they can evaporate and trigger pins. Also don’t mist the surface directly spray up so the water rains down onto it.
 
Yes, that must be it, the surface conditions... At one point, the tub became very dry, and I almost thought I had to trash its contents, I thought it had dried out. But then I misted a little, and it came to life again, and that's when I over-misted, I remember that one time when I could see little puddles forming...
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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: Kurterino]
#26918600 - 09/05/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Given that the surface conditions aren't / weren't ideal, should I still wait for subsequent flushes, or is it a waste of time and space? I have limited space, and jars full of spawn ready, so if the chances of subsequent flushes are low, I would use the tub for a new run...
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Re: First post from lurker: my first caps :) (pics) [Re: Kurterino]
#26918609 - 09/05/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would get some Petri dishes and materials for agar, make a sab, and you can try cloning the best one. Find the best sector to take, transfer that again while you are dunking and letting a second flush run. I haven’t done the hobby in a while but new to agar but it’s something you can do.
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