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Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud
    #26914548 - 09/02/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140

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"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.

"If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.




So is voter fraud a good thing now?


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26914566 - 09/02/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

lol typical.

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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: christopera]
    #26914569 - 09/02/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He’s about to disenfranchise a whole lot of republicans who won’t be able to vote because they’re felons


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: koods]
    #26914570 - 09/02/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In b4 falcon tells us it was a joke


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: koods]
    #26914571 - 09/02/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Here’s William Barr trying to put lipstick on this pig. He doesn’t know if it’s illegal to vote twice

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1301300170575937537?s=21


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26916327 - 09/03/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Kryptos said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140

Quote:

"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.

"If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.




So is voter fraud a good thing now?



Clearly joking


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: meltdowner]
    #26918005 - 09/04/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There it is!

He says it like it is! But he doesn't mean it!


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26918192 - 09/04/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He said it again in PA and nobody laughed.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: koods]
    #26918204 - 09/04/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
He’s about to disenfranchise a whole lot of republicans who won’t be able to vote because they’re felons




implying any branch of any level of government will do anything about this.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26918359 - 09/04/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No, they won't. Republicans have proven that they are quite adept at watching out for their own, and that they will not let such minor inconveniences such as felony crime stand in the way.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: koods]
    #26918384 - 09/04/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
Here’s William Barr trying to put lipstick on this pig. He doesn’t know if it’s illegal to vote twice

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1301300170575937537?s=21




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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26918389 - 09/04/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Barr knows what he was hired to do, and it was not law enforcement.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #26918456 - 09/05/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Barr is far more dangerous than trump. They’re both evil, but Barr isn’t a moron like trump.

Barr is sinister like dick Cheney was sinister.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: meltdowner]
    #26918503 - 09/05/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

meltdowner said:
Quote:

Kryptos said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140

Quote:

"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.

"If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.




So is voter fraud a good thing now?



Clearly joking




Yes he was, but we can say that about half of his statements.
It's a troll presidency, and until corona it was fairly effective. Not anymore. People aren't in the mood for jokes now.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26918590 - 09/05/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm in the mood for jokes.

Second Amendment jokes. That way, they're not just regular funny. They're super funny.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26918805 - 09/05/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The best part is that he says "go vote twice, rofl" and some of his followers inevitably will vote twice, end up in jail, and wonder how it's illegal when the president told them to do it,


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: christopera]
    #26922441 - 09/07/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If any of you are dumb enough to think that either the GOP or the Democrats would refrain from cheating, you’re too stupid to be allowed to vote.

I’m a registered Libertarian.  Do you know how hard it is for anyone not on Team Donkey or Team Elephant to even get on the ballot?  The two main parties work together to keep their competition uncompetitive, they collude against anyone not playing their game, cheat to keep them out of power, and no one bats an eye.

Edit: You Bernie supporters know this first hand, now.  You just got the same lesson Ron Paul supporters in the GOP got in 2012.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Ep1429]
    #26922555 - 09/07/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

American libertarians are the vegans of the political sphere. They can’t go five sentences without telling you about it.

That said, I don’t think many people would argue with you about Bernie getting screwed.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: christopera]
    #26922724 - 09/07/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank god joe biden has this election won so we can get trump out of office


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: christopera]
    #26922748 - 09/07/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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American libertarians are the vegans of the political sphere. They can’t go five sentences without telling you about it.

That said, I don’t think many people would argue with you about Bernie getting screwed.




Nonsense.  I got bored and made several posts here this morning, and that was the only time I mentioned it, and I only mentioned it to make the point that both of the big parties conspire and rig the game in their favor.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Ep1429] * 1
    #26922774 - 09/07/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You didn't need to mention that you are Libertarian at all. It adds literally nothing to your point.

edit: beside, we all know that on the National level Libertarians are just rebranded Republicans. Without Republican support, Libertarians wouldn't exist at all.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: christopera]
    #26922802 - 09/07/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No one would pay attention to a lemming who votes Democrat or Republican complaining about how they aren’t fair.

The only possible reply would be “Why do you keep supporting Team Donkey or Team Elephant?”.

If that concept is too difficult to grasp, future correspondence between us is going to be pointless.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Ep1429]
    #26922812 - 09/07/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

How did mentioning that you are a registered Libertarian further your point?


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Ep1429]
    #26922815 - 09/07/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Here is your post, but without the Libertarian registration part.

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Ep1429 said:
If any of you are dumb enough to think that either the GOP or the Democrats would refrain from cheating, you’re too stupid to be allowed to vote.

Do you know how hard it is for anyone not on Team Donkey or Team Elephant to even get on the ballot?  The two main parties work together to keep their competition uncompetitive, they collude against anyone not playing their game, cheat to keep them out of power, and no one bats an eye.

Edit: You Bernie supporters know this first hand, now.  You just got the same lesson Ron Paul supporters in the GOP got in 2012.





It says exactly the same thing. The only difference is that we don't have to hear about you being a Libertarian. I'm several posts in on this thread, do you know my political leaning?

Also, do you think Libertarians would exist on the national stage if it weren't for Republican backing?


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: christopera]
    #26922899 - 09/07/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Libertarians are just republicans that want to smoke weed.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26923503 - 09/07/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

we'll assume that's a compliment


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26929611 - 09/11/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Don't be complacent yet. Trump isn't going down without a fight.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: ohsnaps] * 2
    #26929646 - 09/11/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, I fully expect Trump to fight to stay in power. I'd say more likely than not, he will stay in power, regardless of electoral outcome. I expect him to lose the popular vote by 5-10%, and I'm personally leaning towards him narrowly losing the EC as well. I then expect him to take steps to ensure that the republican controlled states refuse to send electors, meaning that nobody gets past 270, which causes the presidential vote to take place in the House of Representatives, where each state gets one vote, giving him an advantage because there are 29 states with republican legislatures.

If that fails, I expect him to call on his "patriot army" to start an uprising, while declaring martial law.

I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance that the outcome of the 2020 election is decided by the US military.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26929678 - 09/11/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is that post a joke?  My sarcasm detector may not be working...


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26929721 - 09/11/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Is that post a joke?  My sarcasm detector may not be working...




It's half joking because those unfounded concerns have already been spewing out all over the internets the last 4-6 months. :shrug:  Yes, some people go down that rabbit hole. :facepalm:


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: qman]
    #26930197 - 09/11/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Would you kindly explain to me what parts of my post are (a) illegal or (b) a line that Trump would not cross?

Please follow that up with examples of (a) Trump/GOP bootlickers following the laws that are enforced against them and (b) Trump not crossing a line.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26930376 - 09/11/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'll make a signature bet that if Trump loses the electoral college, he won't get a second term.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26930382 - 09/11/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Good for you.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26930395 - 09/11/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm personally leaning towards him narrowly losing the EC as well. I then expect him to take steps to ensure that the republican controlled states refuse to send electors, meaning that nobody gets past 270...



Actually, if Trump would lose the EC, why would it even matter if none of the Republican electorates show up?  Let's say the EC vote is expected to be 270 for Biden and 268 for Trump.  Even if not a single Trump electorate shows up, Biden still gets to 270, doesn't he?


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26930399 - 09/11/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
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I'll make a signature bet that if Trump loses the electoral college, he won't get a second term.



Good for you.



Ah, so you're earlier post WAS just sarcasm.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26930409 - 09/11/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Very simple. There are 19 states with democratic legislatures, which control 220 electoral votes. While it is very likely that Trump will lose states that have republican legislatures, those legislatures could refuse to send electors. Assuming that Biden wins all states that have democratic legislatures, and Republicans block electors in red states out of fealty to Dear Leader, only 220 electors show up for the vote, leaving Biden 50 short of a win.

As a result, Biden gets 220 electors, Trump gets...I'm too lazy to count, somewhere south of 270, there is no majority winner, and the election moves to the house of representatives, where each state legislature gets one vote. 29 states, controlled by republicans, vote for Trump, giving him the presidency again, with a majority 29-21.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26930415 - 09/11/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
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I'll make a signature bet that if Trump loses the electoral college, he won't get a second term.



Good for you.



Ah, so you're earlier post WAS just sarcasm.




No, Maybe you haven;t noticed, but you've lost some credibility around these parts. As for me, I have not considered you credible since your "king of make believe" days about a year back.

As Koods said in another thread, why would I lower myself to play stupid games with people I do not consider worthy or credible? Winning a signature bet with you means nothing to me, so why would I even bother? If you need someone to pump your ego, look elsewhere.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26930499 - 09/11/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe you haven;t noticed, but you've lost some credibility around these parts. As for me, I have not considered you credible since your "king of make believe" days about a year back.



What?  And you never once stood up for koods to help him prove he wasn't make believing when I called him out on it?

And I though I lost you when I argued that the $46,000 Russia spend on Facebook ads (about $5000 of which was political content) wasn't equivalent to the $81,000,000 spend by Trump/Hillary.

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As Koods said in another thread, why would I lower myself to play stupid games with people I do not consider worthy or credible? Winning a signature bet with you means nothing to me, so why would I even bother? If you need someone to pump your ego, look elsewhere.



Of course you and koods would say that.  I wouldn't expect either of you to say you're afraid you'd lose such a bet!  :lol:

But it's interesting to know you're with team koods.  :smirk:


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26930511 - 09/11/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The fact that you addressed my points on your interpersonal behavior, while neglecting my argument, speak volumes.

They also confirm that I made the right decision when I stopped taking you seriously.

I'm sure your simplistic "fight me bro" tactics work well in the frats, and I'm sure they will work on some of the posters around here. Go fish.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26930530 - 09/11/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The fact that you addressed my points on your interpersonal behavior, while neglecting my argument, speak volumes.



I heard your argument, and I still disagree this will happen, which is why I offered a signature bet that you chickened out on.

Would you like me to say again that I still think what you said will not happen?  :shrug:


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    #26930557 - 09/11/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Would you kindly explain to me what parts of my post are (a) illegal or (b) a line that Trump would not cross?

Please follow that up with examples of (a) Trump/GOP bootlickers following the laws that are enforced against them and (b) Trump not crossing a line.




I'm not going down your rabbit hole of hypothetical scenarios regarding the election and I don't need to provide you examples of anything regarding the idiots following Trump to disprove your paranoid election thesis.

There's lines Trump won't cross on a daily basis, so let's not pretend he doesn't have some boundaries regarding his political conduct. You're speculating based on the personal hatred of Trump instead of critical thinking skills in this case in my opinion.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: qman]
    #26930606 - 09/11/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Would you kindly explain to me what parts of my post are (a) illegal or (b) a line that Trump would not cross?

Please follow that up with examples of (a) Trump/GOP bootlickers following the laws that are enforced against them and (b) Trump not crossing a line.




I'm not going down your rabbit hole of hypothetical scenarios regarding the election and I don't need to provide you examples of anything regarding the idiots following Trump to disprove your paranoid election thesis.

There's lines Trump won't cross on a daily basis, so let's not pretend he doesn't have some boundaries regarding his political conduct. You're speculating based on the personal hatred of Trump instead of critical thinking skills in this case in my opinion.




Perhaps you should provide an example of such boundaries.

Thing is, my scenario is a hypothetical, I agree. It is a hypothetical because while perfectly legal, to my knowledge no president has ever gone down the road of my hypothetical, to the end result of authoritarian rule.

Of course, up until now, no president has ever...accepted election help from a foreign power. Under the (republican controlled) senate's help, we now know that the current president has done so.

Until now, no president has had...rape accusations from 13 year old girls. Until now, that is.

Until now, no president has...repeatedly used their office for personal gain...but now we know that not only did the president's son steal from a children's cancer charity, the president himself has stolen from a 9/11 charity for first responders.

The sad thing is, I don't hate Trump. I really don't. If I was broke, in debt to multiple foreign actors, and somehow president of the United States, I would do exactly what Trump did. From a pure business standpoint, given a blank check by senate republicans, I would do exactly what Trump is doing. I would do my best to pump every last dollar out of your sorry ass until you begged me to stop, and then I'd go ahead and pump that last dollar keeping you alive. Same way I did to my old boss. Sucks for my old analytical lab. They folded back in march.

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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26930919 - 09/11/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Of course, up until now, no president has ever...accepted election help from a foreign power. Under the (republican controlled) senate's help, we now know that the current president has done so.



What election help did Trump 'accept'?

Shouldn't you be alerting the Mueller team?


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26930955 - 09/11/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I heard your argument, and I still disagree this will happen, which is why I offered a signature bet that you chickened out on.




I know I'm not directly involved here, but I'd just like to point out that whether or not Kryptos' refusal to participate in your bet absolutely does not indicate that his argument is weak. If anything, your proposal of the bet (and your insistence on further discussion of it) makes me think that you value "being right" more than you value personal growth, and I'm definitely not the first member of this forum to come to that conclusion from reading your posts. Let it go.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
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I know I'm not directly involved here, but I'd just like to point out that whether or not Kryptos' refusal to participate in your bet absolutely does not indicate that his argument is weak. If anything, your proposal of the bet (and your insistence on further discussion of it) makes me think that you value "being right" more than you value personal growth



I do appreciate your input, especially since I think you're a great poster here.  :thumbup:  Feel free to chime in any time with advice.  :toast:

With that said, I'm hoping you can clarify two things about your comment:

1.  What kind of "personal growth" do I lose out on by making a bet?  Especially if I lose, because then I think I'd grow for sure.
2.  Do you really think Trump will keep himself in power even if he loses the election?  I thought it was a highly unlikely statement.

Or maybe I totally missed your points?  If so I apologize and hope you will clarify for me.


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    #26931060 - 09/12/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't be complacent yet. Trump isn't going down without a fight.




It doesn't make any difference if he wants to fight or not. It's over. He's going to lose nearly every battle ground state, and probably some that were supposed to be Republican. Biden has nothing to recommend him,  but he's doing the exact right thing by doing and saying as little as possible.

Meanwhile Trump is having a public idiocracy fest every single day. His friends (former friends) and his party are as much against him as the Democrats.

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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: christopera]
    #26931065 - 09/12/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You didn't need to mention that you are Libertarian at all. It adds literally nothing to your point.

edit: beside, we all know that on the National level Libertarians are just rebranded Republicans. Without Republican support, Libertarians wouldn't exist at all.




It's the strangest thing. In the 70's Libertarians were cool. Now they seem to accept Ayn Rand as their personal savior.


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Fake news, Trump is clearly joking.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
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Your assessment was that Trump would steel the election.  Roger Stone's assessment is that Trump shouldn't allow the election to be stolen.  It's interesting since the US election system is so full of problems (look at the Democratic primaries this year, among other things) that it'd be difficult to know which side was cheating.

The actual interview that the Guardian writes about is here (watch 5 min from 1:09:25 - 1:14:24):



Better to listen to the interview than read about it.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26933075 - 09/13/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Prevent the "stealing" of an election by...stealing the election.


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Kryptos said:
Would you kindly explain to me what parts of my post are (a) illegal or (b) a line that Trump would not cross?

Please follow that up with examples of (a) Trump/GOP bootlickers following the laws that are enforced against them and (b) Trump not crossing a line.




I'm not going down your rabbit hole of hypothetical scenarios regarding the election and I don't need to provide you examples of anything regarding the idiots following Trump to disprove your paranoid election thesis.

There's lines Trump won't cross on a daily basis, so let's not pretend he doesn't have some boundaries regarding his political conduct. You're speculating based on the personal hatred of Trump instead of critical thinking skills in this case in my opinion.




Perhaps you should provide an example of such boundaries.

Thing is, my scenario is a hypothetical, I agree. It is a hypothetical because while perfectly legal, to my knowledge no president has ever gone down the road of my hypothetical, to the end result of authoritarian rule.

Of course, up until now, no president has ever...accepted election help from a foreign power. Under the (republican controlled) senate's help, we now know that the current president has done so.

Until now, no president has had...rape accusations from 13 year old girls. Until now, that is.

Until now, no president has...repeatedly used their office for personal gain...but now we know that not only did the president's son steal from a children's cancer charity, the president himself has stolen from a 9/11 charity for first responders.

The sad thing is, I don't hate Trump. I really don't. If I was broke, in debt to multiple foreign actors, and somehow president of the United States, I would do exactly what Trump did. From a pure business standpoint, given a blank check by senate republicans, I would do exactly what Trump is doing. I would do my best to pump every last dollar out of your sorry ass until you begged me to stop, and then I'd go ahead and pump that last dollar keeping you alive. Same way I did to my old boss. Sucks for my old analytical lab. They folded back in march.

This is a moment of game recognizes game. Except for you.



Trump accepted election help from a foreign power?  I'm unaware of that situation.

Either way, your reasoning is still fallacious in nature. Even IF Trump did everything you mentioned, that does NOT mean he's even likely to do the things involving the election that you were speculating about in the other post. :shrug:


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26933323 - 09/13/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Prevent the "stealing" of an election by...stealing the election.



No.  That's like saying if I steel a tv from a department store, and security takes it back from me, security is stealing the tv from me.

Again, I have no idea how Trump is going to prove election fraud (Roger Stone proposed seizing Nevada's results so they could be properly counted).  I'm just clarifying what the Guardian article omitted.


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    #26933361 - 09/13/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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1.  What kind of "personal growth" do I lose out on by making a bet?  Especially if I lose, because then I think I'd grow for sure.




It's not that making a bet with someone about who's right is diametrically opposed to personal growth or anything like that. My claim was just that your proposal of such a bet is evidence of how much you value being right, and being right doesn't always facilitate growth.

I don't want to debate this topic, really. If you really are insistent on defending your bet-making, then that's fine. It's really not that important to me whether you do it or not, so you don't have to justify your actions to me.

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2.  Do you really think Trump will keep himself in power even if he loses the election?  I thought it was a highly unlikely statement.




I don't know whether he will or not. I think that the hypothetical situation Kryptos outlined seems possible within the realm of our current system, but only time will tell whether it actually unfolds that way or not. I can't speak about how likely it is (especially since this is the most unpredictable president we've ever had), but I think it's worth bracing ourselves for some kind of resistance should he lose the electoral college.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26933390 - 09/13/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not that making a bet with someone about who's right is diametrically opposed to personal growth or anything like that. My claim was just that your proposal of such a bet is evidence of how much you value being right, and being right doesn't always facilitate growth.

I don't want to debate this topic, really. If you really are insistent on defending your bet-making, then that's fine. It's really not that important to me whether you do it or not, so you don't have to justify your actions to me.



Ok, thanks for the response.  I personally don't think it's an either/or proposal.  I think it's possible to enjoy making bets and personal growth at the same time.

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I don't know whether he will or not. I think that the hypothetical situation Kryptos outlined seems possible within the realm of our current system, but only time will tell whether it actually unfolds that way or not. I can't speak about how likely it is (especially since this is the most unpredictable president we've ever had), but I think it's worth bracing ourselves for some kind of resistance should he lose the electoral college.



Of course nobody knows with 100% certainty.  Some conservatives here were saying Obama was going to keep himself in office for a 3rd term.  I called it crazy talk, just like I'm calling this crazy talk.  Was it possible?  Yes.  Likely?  No.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26933421 - 09/13/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Your bets are, whether you realize it or not, a tactic that shuts down further discussion. I suspect that you do realize this, and use your bets for that purpose.

The "fight me, bro" analogy is exactly the same thing. You're forcing a final confrontation to decide a topic, and any further discussion can be avoided by simply pointing out that a challenge was issued, a bet was made, and there is nothing left to do but wait for the outcome.

Obama staying in office for a third term was unlikely, because Obama did not repeatedly claim he'd do it, Obama supporters did not want to set up an Obama dynasty, and Obama did not publicly claim that him losing an election would be illegitimate by definition. Trump has done all of those things.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26933459 - 09/13/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

CNN is now spewing the same BS story about Trump and what he's going to do with the election.



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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: qman]
    #26933487 - 09/13/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well, yeah. It's not a wargame scenario that was played out behind closed doors anymore.

Now one of the leading republican strategists is openly announcing it.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26933499 - 09/13/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Your bets are, whether you realize it or not, a tactic that shuts down further discussion. I suspect that you do realize this, and use your bets for that purpose.

The "fight me, bro" analogy is exactly the same thing. You're forcing a final confrontation to decide a topic, and any further discussion can be avoided by simply pointing out that a challenge was issued, a bet was made, and there is nothing left to do but wait for the outcome.



The only discussion it should shut down is "nuh uh, uh huh, nuh uh, uh huh" type discussions.  I think bets make other discussions, like the one qman just posted, more interesting.  But you can disagree with me on this.

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Obama staying in office for a third term was unlikely, because Obama did not repeatedly claim he'd do it, Obama supporters did not want to set up an Obama dynasty, and Obama did not publicly claim that him losing an election would be illegitimate by definition. Trump has done all of those things.



That's a misrepresentation of what we're seeing though.  Trump isn't saying he'll want to keep the Presidency if he loses.  He's saying he'll want to keep it gets stolen.

Again, America's election system is so bad, I have no idea how either side would prove their point.  Americans just have to accept the results they are given.  But the fact the establishment politicians fight against a more transparent system worries me a lot.  Why won't they just fix our broken system?


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    #26933543 - 09/13/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Trump has, multiple times, refused to state that he would accept the results of an election. To the best of my knowledge, he has yet to openly accept the results of the 2016 election.

The minor fig leaf of "stolen" elections is not convincing, because there is no evidence that a US election has ever been stolen, with the possible exception of Bush v Gore, which was decided by the supreme court of the US, and not the supreme court of Florida, because republicans thought there were less democrats in SCOTUS at the time.

Yes, it is interesting that republicans not only refuse to fix the broken system under which they have won only one popular vote in the last 30 years, but actively block such reforms with cries of "unconstitutional" and "treason".


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    #26933568 - 09/13/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The minor fig leaf of "stolen" elections is not convincing, because there is no evidence that a US election has ever been stolen, with the possible exception of Bush v Gore, which was decided by the supreme court of the US, and not the supreme court of Florida, because republicans thought there were less democrats in SCOTUS at the time.



That's because there's not enough transparency to prove it.  And that's the problem.

Just look at the countless problems we've discussed with the Democratic Primaries.

And election report cards by state.

And a list of current vulnerabilities.

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Yes, it is interesting that republicans not only refuse to fix the broken system under which they have won only one popular vote in the last 30 years, but actively block such reforms with cries of "unconstitutional" and "treason".



Both sides in congress are against more voting transparency.

The last two links above that things need to improve are from both sides of the isle.


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Yes, it is interesting that republicans not only refuse to fix the broken system under which they have won only one popular vote in the last 30 years, but actively block such reforms with cries of "unconstitutional" and "treason".



This is precisely why I describe the Republican party as the anti-democratic party. Republican stances on the electoral college and voting policy in general is a large part of the reason I usually vote Democrat, even though Democrats are still leo-liberal capitalists who come bundled with a lot of the same problems that Republicans do.


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    #26934435 - 09/14/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not happy with either side when it comes to fair voting.  It seems conservatives focus on voter identification and security to protect against fraud, while liberals try to ensure as many voters get a chance to vote as possible.  I suspect the main reason for this discrepancy is that a smaller pool of voters tends to favor Republicans while a larger pool tends to favor Democrats.

But at the end of the day, does either system really ensure the votes are counted fairly after people vote?  I've suggested the following:
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Have elections closely monitored by world observers.  Equip all polling locations with at least two HD webcams, a computer, an emergency power supply and an uplink to the web so the polling stations can be closely monitored.  Make ALL voting done on paper ballots by the voters.  Count the votes in the presence of candidates’ representatives and independent monitors.  And ensure someone gets at least 50% of the vote or there is a runoff election between the two most popular candidates.



Just kidding, that wasn't my suggestion.  It's how voting is done in Russia, but I think it's a vast improvement over our current system.



We have an entire thread of election shenanigans that always seemed to go against Bernie, possibly explained by the following video showing the former Deputy Director of the FBI saying one of the missions of the FBI was to keep progressives from getting elected.  (not a joke)



Keep watching and you see that they also try to keep non-insiders out (such as Trump).  Though I'm not a fan of Trump, I'm opposed to the FBI/CIA making the decision to keep him out, rather than the voters.

Be sure to watch the entire video if you want your eyes opened.  And if you don't like Jimmy Dore, ignore his commentary and just watch the video clips he posts.  Unreal.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26934957 - 09/14/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think voting can be much easier. You log onto a website, say, vote.gov, you put in your name, address, DOB, and SSN, and you vote.

If it's good enough for taxes, online voting would work pretty well. Uncle Sam don't like people fucking with his cash flow.

Even the rich people routinely committing tax fraud submit tax returns, the fraud part is making them unnecessarily complicated to hide income.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26935375 - 09/14/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I love the idea of online voting, but both sides have been against making the code for such a system open to the public for review.  That makes me wonder if they want the ability to manipulate results?  But I agree if done right, it's doable.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26935387 - 09/14/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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both sides have been against making the code for such a system open to the public for review.



This, paired with the fact that we live in a country full of luddites who are completely dependent on technology for their businesses and lifestyles, but who have no understanding of how it works.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26935965 - 09/14/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He was clearly joking.  Fake news.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26936059 - 09/14/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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He was clearly joking.  Fake news.



That's kind of the magic of Donald Trump. Literally almost anything he says can be taken as "just a joke" or "just an exaggeration", which is a large part of what makes him so difficult to criticize in the face of a supporter.

However, that's besides the point. Even assuming that he was sincerely joking about this (and I contend that it wasn't a joke), don't you think there are certain things that the president shouldn't make jokes about? I would definitely classify voter fraud as something that a president probably ought not joke about, but that's just me.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26936286 - 09/15/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

he might as wwll take a play a out there book


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    #26936344 - 09/15/20 04:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Donald Trump is a prime example of Schrodinger's Asshole.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
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He was clearly joking.  Fake news.



That's kind of the magic of Donald Trump. Literally almost anything he says can be taken as "just a joke" or "just an exaggeration", which is a large part of what makes him so difficult to criticize in the face of a supporter.

However, that's besides the point. Even assuming that he was sincerely joking about this (and I contend that it wasn't a joke), don't you think there are certain things that the president shouldn't make jokes about? I would definitely classify voter fraud as something that a president probably ought not joke about, but that's just me.



Not at all, he was literally joking.  Sometimes he doesnt joke.  This was not one of those times.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: meltdowner]
    #26938068 - 09/15/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't believe that Donald Trump is capable of telling a joke. Or understanding the concept of a joke, either.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos]
    #26938080 - 09/15/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lucky for you, you grew up in the USA(created by white men, for white men) where freedom of belief is paramount.  Enjoy your beliefs!  Mine are WILD!  YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE!  <--- GET IT THATS A JOKE


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Quote:

Nonagon Infinity said:
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meltdowner said:
He was clearly joking.  Fake news.



That's kind of the magic of Donald Trump. Literally almost anything he says can be taken as "just a joke" or "just an exaggeration", which is a large part of what makes him so difficult to criticize in the face of a supporter.

However, that's besides the point. Even assuming that he was sincerely joking about this (and I contend that it wasn't a joke), don't you think there are certain things that the president shouldn't make jokes about? I would definitely classify voter fraud as something that a president probably ought not joke about, but that's just me.



Not at all, he was literally joking.  Sometimes he doesnt joke.  This was not one of those times.



You completely failed to provide a response for the point I made that there are certain things the president shouldn't make jokes about.

Whether he was joking or not isn't really the problem here. The problem is that he suggested voting twice, and there are a nonzero number of people who are going to take that seriously enough to actually do it, even if he intended for it to be a joke. At best, it was a reckless decision. At worst, he knew exactly what he was doing, and this is an attempt to cheat election results.


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26938107 - 09/15/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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he was literally joking




lit•er•al•ly lĭt′ər-ə-lē►
adv. In a literal manner; word for word.
adv. In a literal or strict sense.
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He was in a literal manner; word for word; presenting a participle of something said or done to provoke laughter




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He was with exact equivalence, with the meaning of each individual word given exactly, presenting a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist




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He was, d: in a completely accurate way, doing B1 something, such as a funny story or trick, that is said or done in order to make people laugh:




noun
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a person or thing that is very bad or silly:

"He was literally joking." <----im still kinda hung up on this part in a literal sense or manner: such as a: in a way that uses the ordinary or primary meaning of a term or expression or b—used to emphasize the truth and accuracy of a statement or description; c: with exact equivalence : with the meaning of each individual word given exactly; d: in a completely accurate way

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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26938109 - 09/15/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't believe that Donald Trump is capable of telling a joke. Or understanding the concept of a joke, either.



Oh, come on.  This was the first hit I got on Google, but there are LOTS more.  :lol:



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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26938124 - 09/15/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

that's pretty funny. do you think he came up with that one all by himself?

when i watched that i immediately thought of the word "pedophiles" and "scumbags"


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    #26938134 - 09/15/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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that's pretty funny. do you think he came up with that one all by himself?



I doubt it.  How many jokes that people tell do they come up with all by themselves?


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Re: Trump suggests people should commit voter fraud [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26938151 - 09/15/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

idk i try to keep it original. that video reminds me of why i have never voted


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