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Capital punishment, where do you stand?
    #26914378 - 09/02/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?

If justified, what methods of execution do you support?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26914431 - 09/02/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Unjustifiable until we figure out a way to raise the dead.

Gas is the only execution method I can support.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26914770 - 09/02/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No way to undo it, so no. At least with incarceration you can release people and try to compensate them.

Nitrogen asphyxiation would be best imo. Has almost the same density as regular air so you wouldn't even know until you were passing out.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Skellies] * 1
    #26916336 - 09/03/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26916441 - 09/03/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its appropriate for high crimes/articles within the Unifom Code of Military Justice. And maybe  some spy/intelligence situations. Thats about my only exception(s).


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26916443 - 09/03/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%




Crime will actually be negative 900%. It's worked in the past, obviously, so why not try again?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26916485 - 09/03/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%




Yet somehow crime has fallen despite more and more states abandoning the death penalty


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26916487 - 09/03/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Unjustifiable until we figure out a way to raise the dead.

Gas is the only execution method I can support.




Either Oklahoma or Nebraska actually has legalized nitrogen asphyxiation as a method


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26916537 - 09/03/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The alternative is for tax payers, to pay thousands of $ a year**, per felon, to feed, clothe & house, some truly horrible people, many of whom are quite comfortable with killing each other --- while the country is full of homeless women and children, and undernourished children.

People love to argue about things in isolation --- but nothing in the world is isolated.

In order to avoid this problem the English, used to send them to Australia !
Now we just avoid arresting some of them, and elect them to office in Washington DC !

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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26916628 - 09/04/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Unjustifiable
Heard somewhere that around 4% of people on death row could actually be innocent


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: laughingdog] * 3
    #26916641 - 09/04/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The alternative is for tax payers, to pay thousands of $ a year**, per felon, to feed, clothe & house, some truly horrible people, many of whom are quite comfortable with killing each other --- while the country is full of homeless women and children, and undernourished children.

People love to argue about things in isolation --- but nothing in the world is isolated.

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The alternative is to not have such a massive prison population with ridiculously long sentences.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: koods]
    #26916673 - 09/04/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...People love to argue about things in isolation --- but nothing in the world is isolated.

In order to avoid this problem the English, used to send them to Australia !
[which avoided bothering with executions or the expense of feeding & housing etc.prisoners]
Now we just avoid arresting some of them, and elect them to office in Washington DC !





The alternative is to not have such a massive prison population with ridiculously long sentences.




Agree that the massive prison population with ridiculously long sentences is also a serious problem  - (& so are the conditions in US prisons a serious problem- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzmkeda2XiYpETOP5MjotrQ ; ), but do not agree that there is any one solution -- or that humans will improve/fix most serious problems soon.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: laughingdog] * 3
    #26916745 - 09/04/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The alternative is for tax payers, to pay thousands of $ a year**, per felon, to feed, clothe & house, some truly horrible people, many of whom are quite comfortable with killing each other --- while the country is full of homeless women and children, and undernourished children.

People love to argue about things in isolation --- but nothing in the world is isolated.

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Now we just avoid arresting some of them, and elect them to office in Washington DC !

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It actually costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, and it's not even close. People who receive the death penalty were usually represented by a public defender (and they probably wouldn't have got the death penalty if they could afford a lawyer).

But once someone receives a sentence of death, the constitution or public policy or whatever, results in them getting a series of appeals where the state appoints a good lawyer, or series of lawyers, who get a bill at high $ per hour, and it amounts to so much that it costs far more then housing, feeding and guarding them for life.

I did like your last paragraph about Australia and DC.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26916842 - 09/04/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I myself am completely against the death penalty.

I asked my spirit guide how he feels about it.

He says: "Humanity is, to a level, authorized to end lives in extreme cases. This includes necessary abortion, necessary euthanasia and capital punishment in the worst cases, where the perpetrator is irredeemable and society would find closure in the death of the perpetrator that it could not find otherwise with the unremorseful perpetrator living on for decades on end, bored to death without anything spiritually fruitful coming from it."

I was like WTF and asked what was his preferred method of execution.

"Nitrogen gas asphyxiation in a gas chamber"


So there, it seems my spirit guide takes no prisoners.




I asked my Spirit Guide how he felt about me being totally against capital punishment and him being in favor. He said "you be beautiful as you are Asante, I need to to be beautiful, I'll be pragmatic."


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26916861 - 09/04/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Your spirit guide needs to speak with a psychiatrist


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26916868 - 09/04/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He's less uptight about death than most humans.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26916871 - 09/04/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That has concerning implications for the human that he controls


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    #26916876 - 09/04/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You fail to understand the situation.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: qman] * 1
    #26918020 - 09/04/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Can I change my answer?

I did some thinking, and came to the conclusion that individual human lives are worthless, as long as the species survives. I mean, it sucks for the guy getting executed for a crime that he didn't commit (because women don't get death penalties, statistically), and it sucks for the family of that person, and it's not really any form of justice, but as the same time, who cares? Life goes on. Just be happy you weren't executed by the state, and carry on. Be glad it was someone else's turn.

If people feel better as a result of murdering some scapegoat, who am I to stand against it?

Of course, nothing is infinite, and the human race won't exist forever. Especially the way it is going now. Without significant changes, I doubt we'll last more than a few centuries.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26918096 - 09/04/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%



There's no evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent to crime. It only serves to further prove the barbarity of our society.


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    #26918185 - 09/04/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It’s not about crime going down it’s about psychopaths being entertained by watching people die.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26918356 - 09/04/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Or regular people being entertained by watching people die.

It doesn't require psychopathy to enjoy watching people die. It simply requires boredom. Psychopaths watch people die because they like it. Normal people watch people die because there isn't anything worth watching on the TV.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26920099 - 09/05/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It’s not about crime going down it’s about psychopaths being entertained by watching people die.



Exactly. More proof that republitards are viscous animals.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26920599 - 09/06/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

As if the Democrats weren’t gleefully supporting the death penalty until a couple years ago


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26921537 - 09/06/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ivw gor no love for dems either. Both are wings of the same hawk.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26922439 - 09/07/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?

If justified, what methods of execution do you support?




Definitely justifiable, but shouldn’t be done.

I, for one, think anyone convicted of raping a child should be shown no mercy.  I do not believe there is a “cruel and unusual” form of punishment if the crime was the rape of a small child.  Skin them alive on the town square before drawing and quartering them.  Maybe draw the blood eagle on their back.

BUT

We shouldn’t do it.  There is no way you can be sure of the evidence presented by the government.  The government is not fair, it is not impartial, it will make up fake crimes and charge you with them. You can’t trust the testimony of government agents, and thanks to deep fakes, you can’t even trust video anymore.

Without the ability to trust that the government isn’t persecuting an innocent person, no citizen should be able to justify giving the power to kill to these potential liars.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Ep1429]
    #26922879 - 09/07/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am for it in cases where it is justified -- premeditated murder, sexual abuse of a child, maybe certain crimes against the state.  I don't believe it prevents crime in the macro-sense, but it absolutely prevents additional crimes in the micro-sense.


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    #26922881 - 09/07/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's never justified


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26922903 - 09/07/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

We're actually not hard enough when it comes to execution. Most of these people don't care about life so killing them in a painless way isn't even punishment for them. I think serial killers and people who abuse children should have death by fire. We should at least have the electric chair or hanging to make it look scary.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: jay.ach]
    #26923009 - 09/07/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I am for it in cases where it is justified -- premeditated murder, sexual abuse of a child, maybe certain crimes against the state.  I don't believe it prevents crime in the macro-sense, but it absolutely prevents additional crimes in the micro-sense.




I disagree with this.

Lets assume that death penalty is a deterrent to micro-sense crime. Should we not make every crime punishable by the death penalty as a deterrent?

Now, let's say I steal a pack of gum. It's punishable by the death penalty, so logically, I should also shoot the clerk on my way out to prevent witnesses.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26923137 - 09/07/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Lets assume that death penalty is a deterrent to micro-sense crime. Should we not make every crime punishable by the death penalty as a deterrent?

Now, let's say I steal a pack of gum. It's punishable by the death penalty, so logically, I should also shoot the clerk on my way out to prevent witnesses.




So you are going to completely eliminate crime by using the death penalty for all offenses?  Interesting.  And, who knows, that might actually work by eventually killing us all. 

But I disagree that all crimes are capital crimes.  In the case of the gum theft, I think we should just let you off with a good talking-to.  Now, if you want the clerk's car or wife or if the clerk insulted you on an internet forum and you plot for days to get even by killing the clerk and follow through with it, then I think the death penalty is justified.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: koods]
    #26923701 - 09/07/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%




Yet somehow crime has fallen despite more and more states abandoning the death penalty



Not enough.  What's that big Midwestern city where the blacks shoot eachother every weekend, death tally at for the year?

Abandoned death penalty for that sweet incarceration business.


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    #26923824 - 09/07/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Kryptos said:I disagree with this.

Lets assume that death penalty is a deterrent to micro-sense crime. Should we not make every crime punishable by the death penalty as a deterrent?

Now, let's say I steal a pack of gum. It's punishable by the death penalty, so logically, I should also shoot the clerk on my way out to prevent witnesses.




So you are going to completely eliminate crime by using the death penalty for all offenses?  Interesting.  And, who knows, that might actually work by eventually killing us all. 

But I disagree that all crimes are capital crimes.  In the case of the gum theft, I think we should just let you off with a good talking-to.  Now, if you want the clerk's car or wife or if the clerk insulted you on an internet forum and you plot for days to get even by killing the clerk and follow through with it, then I think the death penalty is justified.




Maybe I misread your post, then. However, the argument still stands. Let's say there was a premeditated murder, and the wife/kid saw it. Time to add them to the list?


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100% for capital punishment.  Bring back public hangings. Let people hear that neck crack.  Crime will go down 1000%




Yet somehow crime has fallen despite more and more states abandoning the death penalty



Not enough.  What's that big Midwestern city where the blacks shoot eachother every weekend, death tally at for the year?

Abandoned death penalty for that sweet incarceration business.




Significantly lower per-capita than St. Louis, which still has the death penalty. Also, the loosest gun laws in any major metropolitan area. Highest murder rate per capita out of any city, last I checked.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
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Why would seeing a crime be punishable at all?


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I meant the kill list. To extend my previous analogy of no witnesses to avoid the death penalty.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26924182 - 09/08/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's aight. I was always somewhat on the fence about it, always felt like maybe seeing the last moment of an executed criminal would change my mind. Watched a video of a serial rapist in the middle east getting stoned to death. Did not feel bad for the guy at all, it was really satisfying if anything. The world has too many people and too little resources to be wasting on babysitting a psychopath for decades till he dies peacefully. I would imagine that most anyone in their right mind would take being executed over being caged for the rest of the life, anyway. Coup de grace. It is over for the guy anyway.

I do not believe in objective morality and I believe that our levels of sympathy have expanded into the territory of irrationality. It is not humane to take care of a killer for his whole life, imo, and it is not inhumane to end his life. If he didnt want to lose the killing game then he shouldnt have started it. Im not at all one of those 'rapists should get their cock chopped off!' type of guys, I just think it is better to finish the job rather than torture the guy for decades on tax payer dollars. Would rather my money go to just eliminating him.

And dont give me no retard capitalist argument like 'da lethal serum is expensive!!! It cost more to kill criminal then to keep them in captivity!' okay Mr. Monopoly. Not everything needs to be penny pinched.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26924242 - 09/08/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

But what about the 4% of people on death row who're innocent?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26924369 - 09/08/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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We're actually not hard enough when it comes to execution. Most of these people don't care about life so killing them in a painless way isn't even punishment for them. I think serial killers and people who abuse children should have death by fire. We should at least have the electric chair or hanging to make it look scary.




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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26924378 - 09/08/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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But what about the 4% of people on death row who're innocent?




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But what about the 4% of people on death row who're innocent?




It's for the greater good.





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    #26924697 - 09/08/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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    #26924711 - 09/08/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26924743 - 09/08/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?




As justifiable as the rest of the justice system.

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If justified, what methods of execution do you support?




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    #26924837 - 09/08/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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But what about the 4% of people on death row who're innocent?



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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26924841 - 09/08/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you came upon a serial rapist and had to make the decision of killing him or putting him in a cage and feeding him until he dies of natural causes, which one would you take


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
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The justice system can never be perfect.


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    #26924913 - 09/08/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The death penalty can’t be mutually exclusive from the justice system. If someone was caught in the act I suppose it could be justified. However, there are a lot of things that could cause witness testimony to be inaccurate which is my main concern, not to mention corruption in courts and LE. I feel like until those issues are addressed then it should only be handed out when there isn’t any question about who committed the crimes.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26924967 - 09/08/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You logically wouldnt kill someone unless it was an extreme situation where you have some sort of 'undeniable' proof of a heinous act. Doesnt mean kill everyone who commits a crime, but kill people when it makes sense to kill them.

I hate the justice system its so much bureaucracy and formality and its like its designed to hinder the process of serving justice. It's super gay. Everything is just too fucking big in the modern world. Too many people too much paperwork.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26924975 - 09/08/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?




Unjustifiable. Violence is not a solution to a problem. Violence is the problem.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26924977 - 09/08/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's kind of the point.

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    #26925023 - 09/08/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Unfortunately with the system we have in place right now evidence is often suppressed even if it may prove a defendant’s innocence. If we had a system that wasn’t reliant on humans to make it work i guess it’d be okay with me, but only with undeniable evidence


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    #26927589 - 09/10/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If you came upon a serial rapist and had to make the decision of killing him or putting him in a cage and feeding him until he dies of natural causes, which one would you take




If you came upon a thief and had to make the decision of killing him or putting him in a cage and feeding him for five years, which one would you take? Remember you’re gonna have to feed him for FIVE years.

That isn’t supposed to be a personal choice. The entire point of the justice system is punish on behalf of the individuals in that society, so individuals will not and can not dispense their own justice.


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    #26927593 - 09/10/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You logically wouldnt kill someone unless it was an extreme situation where you have some sort of 'undeniable' proof of a heinous act. Doesnt mean kill everyone who commits a crime, but kill people when it makes sense to kill them.

I hate the justice system its so much bureaucracy and formality and its like its designed to hinder the process of serving justice. It's super gay. Everything is just too fucking big in the modern world. Too many people too much paperwork.




But why do it? It doesn’t get you anything that locking away someone for life gets you. The death penalty is not moral. The state shouldn’t say killing is wrong then turn around and kill people. It undercuts our moral authority as a society. The death penalty does nothing but satisfy a bloodlust in society and the state should not be in the business of satisfying base urges like that.


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    #26928129 - 09/10/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Tax payer dollars shouldnt go to taking care of monsteres that have no reason to be here anymore. I don't see a massive difference between caging a man until he dies vs a coup de grace. Both accomplish what you want, which is to remove them from society. One does it much quicker and in a much more logical way imo. Removing them entirely is much better than turning their life into a pile of burdens for the state. Stupid to do the whole cage and wait game if you already know for sure that he's guilty and doesn't need to be here anymore. It's just an unnecessary pain in the ass that benefits nobody except for the murderer rapist dude, assuming he has any desire to life anymore, and I see no reason to bend over backwards for the guy and enslave him for the next how many decades. Should just kill him and move on.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26928219 - 09/10/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

...and yet it costs more to carry out an execution that to house a prisoner for a lifetime.


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    #26928354 - 09/10/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...and yet it costs more to carry out an execution that to house a prisoner for a lifetime.



Why is this the case? I've heard this point brought up many times before in the capital punishment debate, but I still don't understand why. I believe you, but I need a little help. Is execution inherently more expensive, or is it just more expensive currently because of some other quirk in our justice system?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26928367 - 09/10/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's more expensive to prove absolute guilt, and when execution is on the table, appeals are taken more seriously, usually with expensive lawyers on both sides of the aisle. No more leaving the defendant to rely on some recent law school grad that's been practicing for a year.

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    #26928384 - 09/10/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It's more expensive to prove absolute guilt, and when execution is on the table, appeals are taken more seriously, usually with expensive lawyers on both sides of the aisle. No more leaving the defendant to rely on some recent law school grad that's been practicing for a year.

Also, the process itself is quite expensive.



That makes sense. Seems like people would want the justice system to be much more thorough when making the decision to kill someone than when making the decision to lock them up.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26928426 - 09/10/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Our justice system is pretty shitty at proving guilt. Nowadays, it seems more focused on making people plead guilty regardless of guilt just to make things easier. For minor crimes, you can often spend less time in jail by pleading guilty than by proving your innocence.

Our society generally accepts this system, because nothing is permanent within this system. So a guy with a bag of oregano spent a month in jail after pleading guilty for possession of weed. Who cares? If they were important, they would have had the money to pay bail and fight it in court.

When it comes to the death penalty, however, things are a lot more permanent. Suddenly, the system damn well better work.

Often when I see people arguing in favor for the death penalty, they operate on two assumptions: this would only apply to people (1) guilty beyond reasonable doubt of (2) truly heinous crimes. The underlying assumption here is that the current justice system is entirely accurate at proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and doesn't excel at forcing false confessions from people that realize it's easier to just do the time than to prove their innocence.

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That all definitely helps me understand better. Thanks!


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    #26928647 - 09/10/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Justice system sucks. Can say anything about supporting or not supporting anything under the justice system and it will not change the fact that it sucks.


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    #26928654 - 09/10/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...and yet it costs more to carry out an execution that to house a prisoner for a lifetime.



It's almost like this was the first stupid cliche point I addressed...

I dont care that it 'costs more' based on an incredibly nuanced series of averages. Im not playing business man, im doling out justice. Penny pinching has a time and a place. Tax payers should never have to pay for meals, healthcare, and housing of people that have no reason to be here anymore. Especially not off the notion that it is in some way saving money on lethal injection serum or some worthless BS point. How many people do you think we'd be executing, bruh?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26928721 - 09/10/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Especially not off the notion that it is in some way saving money on lethal injection serum or some worthless BS point




Did you even read what he said?

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It's more expensive to prove absolute guilt, and when execution is on the table, appeals are taken more seriously, usually with expensive lawyers on both sides of the aisle. No more leaving the defendant to rely on some recent law school grad that's been practicing for a year.

Also, the process itself is quite expensive.




It’s not cheap to just execute someone but the majority of the cost comes from assuring the person is actually guilty. Even then the process is far from perfect and too many innocent people end up on death row


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26928725 - 09/10/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Mod Edit: I get the point but you need to make it in a different way


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26928793 - 09/10/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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How many people do you think we'd be executing, bruh?



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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26928956 - 09/10/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...and yet it costs more to carry out an execution that to house a prisoner for a lifetime.



It's almost like this was the first stupid cliche point I addressed...

I dont care that it 'costs more' based on an incredibly nuanced series of averages. Im not playing business man, im doling out justice. Penny pinching has a time and a place. Tax payers should never have to pay for meals, healthcare, and housing of people that have no reason to be here anymore. Especially not off the notion that it is in some way saving money on lethal injection serum or some worthless BS point. How many people do you think we'd be executing, bruh?



You're assuming that the guilty party actually is guilty. Maybe some day you end up on the wrong end of the needle for something you didnt do and you'll think differently. But I doubt that kind of justice really ever happens :/


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26934586 - 09/14/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:
Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?




As justifiable as the rest of the justice system.

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If justified, what methods of execution do you support?




Gameshow






In case the second part of my post was not recognized as a sarcastic pop culture reference please know that I was not seriously suggesting gameshow.

If capital punishment is to be undertaken it should be with lethal injection as used in euthanasia in Holland and other places where legal.

In case my first answer lacked clarity too, I am saying in a perfect, just justice system yes, but in an imperfect system it is unjust.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #26934963 - 09/14/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lethal injection is pretty inhumane. Even if the drugs work perfect every time (which they don't) and the dosage is perfect every time (which it is not), some people (like me) have big problems with needles. Gas chambers are the way to go.


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I happen to have a big problem with inhaling lethal amounts of toxic gas.


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    #26935632 - 09/14/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lethal =/= toxic.

Inert gas, such as nitrogen (which is literally cheaper than air), is what I'm aiming for. You just kinda go to sleep as things shut down from oxygen deprivation, but your choking reflex/panic never activates because the biological pathway is based on CO2 buildup, not actual oxygen deprivation.

The worst I've ever heard it described as is "I run into a room and can't seem to catch my breath".


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More than half of the air you breathe is nitrogen lol


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Helium, but aparently we are running out of it.


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    #26936343 - 09/15/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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More than half of the air you breathe is nitrogen lol




Which is why someone put into a 100% nitrogen atmosphere dies peacefully, they're used to breathing it.

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Helium, but aparently we are running out of it.




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    #26936368 - 09/15/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Know whats gnarly? Nitrogen asphyxiation by mask. That you are surrounded by perfectly breathable air but they are piping pure nitrogen into your mask.

That would be cruel and unusual. A nitrogen gas chamber makes it more humane.


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    #26936397 - 09/15/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yup, when you take a peaceful mask you are doing it voluntarily. If you do it involuntarily though its a form of torture, let alone an exit bag.


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I’ve heard that half of the time when someone dies via exit bag they’ll instinctually flail  and try to get the bag off. If the persons wrists aren’t secure there’s a good chance they can wake up with severe brain damage. I don’t think it hurts it’s just the brain doing what it can go keep you alive.

Either way it’s the most accessible and ethical form of euthanasia aside from maybe barbiturates or opiates.


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Exit bags arent really humane because you have some CO2 buildup triggering the asphyxiation reflex, as well as a sense of a confined space you instinctively want out of.

An asphyxiation chamber would eliminate that and any chance of the process botching.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26936741 - 09/15/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Why dont we just fucking shoot people? Like wtf man? Just soviet style execute people. Pop in the back of the head, extra pop when they hit the ground just to be sure. Would cost 2 bullets. That's how i would wanna be executed. Fuck some big ridiculous scientific set-up with gas and electricity and chemical pumps and whatever absurd bullshit. It's so retarded and unnecessary, i swear these prisons are just bored and looking to kil people in the most convuluded way possible. How bout we build a rube goldberg machine that wraps around the prison and ends in a bowling ball dropping on the prisoners head? Lmao just fucking kill them like god damn.


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    #26936811 - 09/15/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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How bout we build a rube goldberg machine that wraps around the prison and ends in a bowling ball dropping on the prisoners head? Lmao just fucking kill them like god damn.




If Apollyphelion built it I'd watch it :awesomenod:

they're trying to avoid paying a psychopath to shoot people in the back of the neck because the moment they started doing that, people will vote to end capital punishment.

Do you seriously want THIS:





As a legal procedure in the Land of the Free?



I'd rather blow my brains out than get lethal injection, dont get me wrong, but its too well, crass and barbaric.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26936816 - 09/15/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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to avoid paying a psychopath to shoot people in the back of the neck because the moment they started doing that, people will vote to end capital punishment.




That's a good point. Capital punishment is done for the sake of the citizens who watch it happen, so the prisons have to make sure they put on a show that isn't going to rub people the wrong way.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26936828 - 09/15/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Suppose you started publically burning people at the stake again, a lot of people would cheer it but the majority of people would utterly reject it.

A lot of people are traumatized if they see a person's head explode, no matter how objectionable a criminal he is.

Its hardwired in most people to shun violent deaths of their own kind.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26936992 - 09/15/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you seriously want THIS:





As a legal procedure in the Land of the Free?



Yes. I explained that.

I dont see it as anymore barbaric then shooting someone up with toxins and hope they die, or electricuting someone to death or any other typical execution method in 'free countries' that have the death penantly or have had it in the past. Just because there is more clean-up doesnt mean its a different act. Both end a life quickly and effieciently, just one much more quicker and efficient than the other. Youre still killing a guy whether its clicking a button or pulling a trigger. If anything it should not be taken lightly and so coldly as to make it some evil scientist type of process and pretend like no one is really the executioner. Stupid and delusional. Just fucking do it


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    #26937037 - 09/15/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I dont see it as anymore barbaric then shooting someone up with toxins and hope they die ...

Just because there is more clean-up doesnt mean its a different act.



Yeah, it's almost as if the killing itself is the problem, and not the method.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26937047 - 09/15/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would take a high powered rifle shot to the T spot.


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T Spot?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26937272 - 09/15/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Presumably somewhere in the region of the brainstem.

One of the fun things about humans is that we're pretty resilient. Getting shot in the head is a lot less lethal than many people imagine. You could lose more than half your brain matter and still survive a bullet to the head. Of course, you'd probably be mostly retarded afterwards, but recovery is still possible. This is, of course, assuming the brain even gets hit. Getting shot in the face is more likely to result in you bleeding to death on the floor over the next hour or so.

Chances are you'd be unconscious from hydrostatic/concussive shock, at least.


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    #26937307 - 09/15/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Usual with handgun executions is the neck shot, the shot aimed at the spine, to sever the spinal cord as in a guillotine or hanging with a minimum of blood splatter, like you would get from exploding the skull, which is full of fluids and easily liquified brain.

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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26937553 - 09/15/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, it's almost as if the killing itself is the problem, and not the method.



All of us would want someone dead in the right circumstances and imo a lot of those times it is a reasonable response. The concept that no human ever deserves to get killed is just dumb to me. Some people shouldnt be here :shrug: and I dont feel like feeding and housing those people so that they can just chill and I dont have to deal with them. I would rather just have god sort them out and everyone move on


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26937990 - 09/15/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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All of us would want someone dead in the right circumstances and imo a lot of those times it is a reasonable response.




Idk, man, I've never been in that sort of situation, so I can't really say. I don't think it's obviously true that all of us would want someone dead in the right circumstances.

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The concept that no human ever deserves to get killed is just dumb to me.




I don't think it's dumb. I also think that the truth of that concept depends heavily on how you define "being deserving" of something, which isn't obvious, either.

Besides, I don't even think it matters whether or not it's true that "no human ever deserves to get killed". If living by that principle means less killing, then I think it's a principle worth living by.

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I dont feel like feeding and housing those people so that they can just chill and I dont have to deal with them.




I don't think that the dichotomy between killing criminals and locking criminals in prison for life is a true dichotomy. There may be other ways of responding to crime aside from these two options.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26937998 - 09/15/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone deserves to die. That's not the point. The government shouldn't have the power to dole out death.


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    #26938044 - 09/15/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Death is the only thing that not only everyone deserves, but is absolutely guaranteed.


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Except for military and police or should they not be allowed to kill, either?


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    #26938058 - 09/15/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Police shouldn't kill anyone.  Police shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms.

Military actions may be necessary, but only in defense... certainly not the wholesale murder that our military carries out.



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    #26938063 - 09/15/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yea there shouldnt be an army that decides who to kill and kidnap we should be able to fight our own battles. I hate the violence monopoly. I think I definitely less support 'the death penalty' and more so just believe that some people shouldnt be alive


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You love the violence,  though.


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    #26938067 - 09/15/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

But...that's exactly what police and military do? Legitimize the state monopoly on violence?

Same thing you do when you advocate the death penalty.


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    #26938069 - 09/15/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

When it's done to right people. Hate how theres a massive force that gets to decide who and when tho and will kidnap or kill you if you try to make the decision first.


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    #26938074 - 09/15/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You might not be cut out for civilization.


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    #26938077 - 09/15/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am not and I have ranted about it at length. Civilization destroyed us as humans, bro. One big game just a ltittle art project that we are all trapped in the canvas of


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26938081 - 09/15/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its all by drone and flat-screens, thats ok, but form a conventional line of warfare, well thats ridiculous!


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26938103 - 09/15/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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When it's done to right people.



Killing is easy. The tricky part is deciding who are "the right people".


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Nah both are pretty hard. Lots of things in life are hard.


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Killing a person is easier than frying an egg, dude.


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Maybe for a psycho like you, bruh :nonono:


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    #26938225 - 09/15/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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All of us would want someone dead in the right circumstances and imo a lot of those times it is a reasonable response. The concept that no human ever deserves to get killed is just dumb to me. Some people shouldnt be here :shrug: and I dont feel like feeding and housing those people so that they can just chill and I dont have to deal with them. I would rather just have god sort them out and everyone move on




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Nah both are pretty hard. Lots of things in life are hard.




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Maybe for a psycho like you, bruh :nonono:




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Why dont we just fucking shoot people? Like wtf man? Just soviet style execute people. Pop in the back of the head, extra pop when they hit the ground just to be sure. Would cost 2 bullets. That's how i would wanna be executed. Fuck some big ridiculous scientific set-up with gas and electricity and chemical pumps and whatever absurd bullshit. It's so retarded and unnecessary, i swear these prisons are just bored and looking to kil people in the most convuluded way possible. How bout we build a rube goldberg machine that wraps around the prison and ends in a bowling ball dropping on the prisoners head? Lmao just fucking kill them like god damn.




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    #26938412 - 09/16/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I never got how conservatives wqant to shrink the government yet cheer power abuse by the cops and capital punishment.

"we want as little as possible government with the power to kill without accountability."

Is there any greater infringement on a person's life than ending it?


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    #26938605 - 09/16/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just because killing someone is not something that is easy for the average human to catch their bearings after doing, doesnt mean it isnt justified in some circumstances. Theres no way youre rlly that confused about that


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    #26938888 - 09/16/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don’t understand why you keep insisting that the judicial system is horrible and that too many innocent people are jailed but then turn around and say that we should we stop spending so much on trying to find out if someone is actually guilty. That 4% figure is just gonna rise if you just start splitting people’s heads without a drawn out judicial process.


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    #26938906 - 09/16/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I said neither of those things. I dont care about whatever stupid '4%' statistic youre referring to. Paperwork and bureaucracy. Lame lame lame. Society is bloated, judicial system is example of that. We should fight our own battles period. I dont want a government making any decisions for anybody, dont want lives to be decided by the skill of lawyers at the discretion of judges and a jury. It's dystopian af sci-fi bullshit. Someone fucks with me i should just retaliate but no i have to call a number a uniformed squad of killers to come and kidnap the guy and put us both through this pain in the ass paper-pushing process. Infuriates me lmao.


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    #26939182 - 09/16/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don’t understand why you keep insisting that the judicial system is horrible and that too many innocent people are jailed but then turn around and say that we should we stop spending so much on trying to find out if someone is actually guilty. That 4% figure is just gonna rise if you just start splitting people’s heads without a drawn out judicial process.



This is precisely what I meant when I said earlier that figuring out who "the right people are" is the tricky part. The most difficult part of running a capital punishment system isn't actually doing the executions: it's figuring out who to execute.


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    #26939406 - 09/16/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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We should fight our own battles period




Most laymen aren’t qualified enough to correctly identify and confront someone who fucks with them or their family. Say someone’s wife is raped and she points out a similar looking but different guy to her husband, is he just supposed to shoot him? What about the people who don’t have anybody to fight for them?

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I dont want a government making any decisions for anybody, dont want lives to be decided by the skill of lawyers at the discretion of judges and a jury. It's dystopian af sci-fi bullshit.




Would you rather live in a place where murder is sanctioned as long as someone can explain why they had a violent hissy fit?

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Someone fucks with me i should just retaliate but no i have to call a number a uniformed squad of killers to come and kidnap the guy and put us both through this pain in the ass paper-pushing process.




You can retaliate in castle doctrine and stand your ground states. I think every state should have those protections but unfortunately they don’t. That said I’d still rather have cops than undertrained vigilante gangs. Like it or not weaker people will tend to bend the knee to more powerful/violent people. It’s how things have happened all throughout history on every habitable continent. I’m not defending police at all but I’d much rather the goon squads wear body cameras. The system we have sucks but it’s way better than what we’ve had up until this point

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I dont care about whatever stupid '4%' statistic youre referring to.




I guess that’s a fine opinion to have if you don’t mind being included in that statistic:shrug:.


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I dont want a government making any decisions for anybody, dont want lives to be decided by the skill of lawyers at the discretion of judges and a jury.




Would you rather lives (including your own) be decided by some random asshole with a gun at the discretion of their own personal brain cockroaches?


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    #26939953 - 09/17/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I would rather it be the discretion of each individual like it's supposed to be. Bloated society and its stupid organization. All of us having to submit to an ultimate power. So fucking lame. Too many people too much paperwork too much bullshit.


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    #26939981 - 09/17/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Killing people? No! Just look at this fucking nut case. Christ sake.


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Yeah I would rather it be the discretion of each individual like it's supposed to be. Bloated society and its stupid organization. All of us having to submit to an ultimate power. So fucking lame. Too many people too much paperwork too much bullshit.




Fuck paperwork let’s just abandon all societal developments. I’m gonna start a new gang and we’re gonna rape and pillage every settlement we cross as we roam the states in RVs and dune buggies mad max style :lol:. I’m sure plenty of sick fucks and ex cops will join at their own discretion. Anyone that gets in the way should’ve spent less time worrying about paperwork and more time assembling a militia in the event a bunch of douchebags with automatic weapons rolled through their neck of the woods.


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