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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26936741 - 09/15/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Why dont we just fucking shoot people? Like wtf man? Just soviet style execute people. Pop in the back of the head, extra pop when they hit the ground just to be sure. Would cost 2 bullets. That's how i would wanna be executed. Fuck some big ridiculous scientific set-up with gas and electricity and chemical pumps and whatever absurd bullshit. It's so retarded and unnecessary, i swear these prisons are just bored and looking to kil people in the most convuluded way possible. How bout we build a rube goldberg machine that wraps around the prison and ends in a bowling ball dropping on the prisoners head? Lmao just fucking kill them like god damn.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26936811 - 09/15/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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How bout we build a rube goldberg machine that wraps around the prison and ends in a bowling ball dropping on the prisoners head? Lmao just fucking kill them like god damn.




If Apollyphelion built it I'd watch it :awesomenod:

they're trying to avoid paying a psychopath to shoot people in the back of the neck because the moment they started doing that, people will vote to end capital punishment.

Do you seriously want THIS:





As a legal procedure in the Land of the Free?



I'd rather blow my brains out than get lethal injection, dont get me wrong, but its too well, crass and barbaric.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26936816 - 09/15/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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to avoid paying a psychopath to shoot people in the back of the neck because the moment they started doing that, people will vote to end capital punishment.




That's a good point. Capital punishment is done for the sake of the citizens who watch it happen, so the prisons have to make sure they put on a show that isn't going to rub people the wrong way.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26936828 - 09/15/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Suppose you started publically burning people at the stake again, a lot of people would cheer it but the majority of people would utterly reject it.

A lot of people are traumatized if they see a person's head explode, no matter how objectionable a criminal he is.

Its hardwired in most people to shun violent deaths of their own kind.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26936992 - 09/15/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you seriously want THIS:





As a legal procedure in the Land of the Free?



Yes. I explained that.

I dont see it as anymore barbaric then shooting someone up with toxins and hope they die, or electricuting someone to death or any other typical execution method in 'free countries' that have the death penantly or have had it in the past. Just because there is more clean-up doesnt mean its a different act. Both end a life quickly and effieciently, just one much more quicker and efficient than the other. Youre still killing a guy whether its clicking a button or pulling a trigger. If anything it should not be taken lightly and so coldly as to make it some evil scientist type of process and pretend like no one is really the executioner. Stupid and delusional. Just fucking do it


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #26937037 - 09/15/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I dont see it as anymore barbaric then shooting someone up with toxins and hope they die ...

Just because there is more clean-up doesnt mean its a different act.



Yeah, it's almost as if the killing itself is the problem, and not the method.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26937047 - 09/15/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would take a high powered rifle shot to the T spot.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26937075 - 09/15/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

T Spot?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante]
    #26937272 - 09/15/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Presumably somewhere in the region of the brainstem.

One of the fun things about humans is that we're pretty resilient. Getting shot in the head is a lot less lethal than many people imagine. You could lose more than half your brain matter and still survive a bullet to the head. Of course, you'd probably be mostly retarded afterwards, but recovery is still possible. This is, of course, assuming the brain even gets hit. Getting shot in the face is more likely to result in you bleeding to death on the floor over the next hour or so.

Chances are you'd be unconscious from hydrostatic/concussive shock, at least.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26937307 - 09/15/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Usual with handgun executions is the neck shot, the shot aimed at the spine, to sever the spinal cord as in a guillotine or hanging with a minimum of blood splatter, like you would get from exploding the skull, which is full of fluids and easily liquified brain.

This completely ruins your suit at point blank range:



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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26937553 - 09/15/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, it's almost as if the killing itself is the problem, and not the method.



All of us would want someone dead in the right circumstances and imo a lot of those times it is a reasonable response. The concept that no human ever deserves to get killed is just dumb to me. Some people shouldnt be here :shrug: and I dont feel like feeding and housing those people so that they can just chill and I dont have to deal with them. I would rather just have god sort them out and everyone move on


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26937990 - 09/15/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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All of us would want someone dead in the right circumstances and imo a lot of those times it is a reasonable response.




Idk, man, I've never been in that sort of situation, so I can't really say. I don't think it's obviously true that all of us would want someone dead in the right circumstances.

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The concept that no human ever deserves to get killed is just dumb to me.




I don't think it's dumb. I also think that the truth of that concept depends heavily on how you define "being deserving" of something, which isn't obvious, either.

Besides, I don't even think it matters whether or not it's true that "no human ever deserves to get killed". If living by that principle means less killing, then I think it's a principle worth living by.

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I dont feel like feeding and housing those people so that they can just chill and I dont have to deal with them.




I don't think that the dichotomy between killing criminals and locking criminals in prison for life is a true dichotomy. There may be other ways of responding to crime aside from these two options.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26937998 - 09/15/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone deserves to die. That's not the point. The government shouldn't have the power to dole out death.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Enlil]
    #26938044 - 09/15/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Death is the only thing that not only everyone deserves, but is absolutely guaranteed.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Enlil]
    #26938057 - 09/15/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Except for military and police or should they not be allowed to kill, either?


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    #26938058 - 09/15/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Police shouldn't kill anyone.  Police shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms.

Military actions may be necessary, but only in defense... certainly not the wholesale murder that our military carries out.



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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Enlil]
    #26938063 - 09/15/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yea there shouldnt be an army that decides who to kill and kidnap we should be able to fight our own battles. I hate the violence monopoly. I think I definitely less support 'the death penalty' and more so just believe that some people shouldnt be alive


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26938066 - 09/15/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You love the violence,  though.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Enlil]
    #26938067 - 09/15/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

But...that's exactly what police and military do? Legitimize the state monopoly on violence?

Same thing you do when you advocate the death penalty.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Enlil]
    #26938069 - 09/15/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

When it's done to right people. Hate how theres a massive force that gets to decide who and when tho and will kidnap or kill you if you try to make the decision first.


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