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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26924463 - 09/08/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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But what about the 4% of people on death row who're innocent?




It's for the greater good.





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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: christopera]
    #26924697 - 09/08/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you're making an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26924711 - 09/08/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

We aren't.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26924743 - 09/08/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?




As justifiable as the rest of the justice system.

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If justified, what methods of execution do you support?




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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26924837 - 09/08/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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But what about the 4% of people on death row who're innocent?



Sounds like a problem with the justice system, not the death penalty


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26924841 - 09/08/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you came upon a serial rapist and had to make the decision of killing him or putting him in a cage and feeding him until he dies of natural causes, which one would you take


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26924902 - 09/08/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The justice system can never be perfect.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26924913 - 09/08/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The death penalty can’t be mutually exclusive from the justice system. If someone was caught in the act I suppose it could be justified. However, there are a lot of things that could cause witness testimony to be inaccurate which is my main concern, not to mention corruption in courts and LE. I feel like until those issues are addressed then it should only be handed out when there isn’t any question about who committed the crimes.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26924967 - 09/08/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You logically wouldnt kill someone unless it was an extreme situation where you have some sort of 'undeniable' proof of a heinous act. Doesnt mean kill everyone who commits a crime, but kill people when it makes sense to kill them.

I hate the justice system its so much bureaucracy and formality and its like its designed to hinder the process of serving justice. It's super gay. Everything is just too fucking big in the modern world. Too many people too much paperwork.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26924975 - 09/08/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Justified or unjustifiable in the current system?




Unjustifiable. Violence is not a solution to a problem. Violence is the problem.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26924977 - 09/08/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's kind of the point.

"Better to have one hundred guilty men go free than to punish one innocent"


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26925023 - 09/08/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Unfortunately with the system we have in place right now evidence is often suppressed even if it may prove a defendant’s innocence. If we had a system that wasn’t reliant on humans to make it work i guess it’d be okay with me, but only with undeniable evidence


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26927180 - 09/09/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Im with you.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #26927589 - 09/10/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If you came upon a serial rapist and had to make the decision of killing him or putting him in a cage and feeding him until he dies of natural causes, which one would you take




If you came upon a thief and had to make the decision of killing him or putting him in a cage and feeding him for five years, which one would you take? Remember you’re gonna have to feed him for FIVE years.

That isn’t supposed to be a personal choice. The entire point of the justice system is punish on behalf of the individuals in that society, so individuals will not and can not dispense their own justice.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #26927593 - 09/10/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You logically wouldnt kill someone unless it was an extreme situation where you have some sort of 'undeniable' proof of a heinous act. Doesnt mean kill everyone who commits a crime, but kill people when it makes sense to kill them.

I hate the justice system its so much bureaucracy and formality and its like its designed to hinder the process of serving justice. It's super gay. Everything is just too fucking big in the modern world. Too many people too much paperwork.




But why do it? It doesn’t get you anything that locking away someone for life gets you. The death penalty is not moral. The state shouldn’t say killing is wrong then turn around and kill people. It undercuts our moral authority as a society. The death penalty does nothing but satisfy a bloodlust in society and the state should not be in the business of satisfying base urges like that.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26928129 - 09/10/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Tax payer dollars shouldnt go to taking care of monsteres that have no reason to be here anymore. I don't see a massive difference between caging a man until he dies vs a coup de grace. Both accomplish what you want, which is to remove them from society. One does it much quicker and in a much more logical way imo. Removing them entirely is much better than turning their life into a pile of burdens for the state. Stupid to do the whole cage and wait game if you already know for sure that he's guilty and doesn't need to be here anymore. It's just an unnecessary pain in the ass that benefits nobody except for the murderer rapist dude, assuming he has any desire to life anymore, and I see no reason to bend over backwards for the guy and enslave him for the next how many decades. Should just kill him and move on.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26928219 - 09/10/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

...and yet it costs more to carry out an execution that to house a prisoner for a lifetime.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26928354 - 09/10/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...and yet it costs more to carry out an execution that to house a prisoner for a lifetime.



Why is this the case? I've heard this point brought up many times before in the capital punishment debate, but I still don't understand why. I believe you, but I need a little help. Is execution inherently more expensive, or is it just more expensive currently because of some other quirk in our justice system?


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26928367 - 09/10/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's more expensive to prove absolute guilt, and when execution is on the table, appeals are taken more seriously, usually with expensive lawyers on both sides of the aisle. No more leaving the defendant to rely on some recent law school grad that's been practicing for a year.

Also, the process itself is quite expensive.


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Re: Capital punishment, where do you stand? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26928384 - 09/10/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It's more expensive to prove absolute guilt, and when execution is on the table, appeals are taken more seriously, usually with expensive lawyers on both sides of the aisle. No more leaving the defendant to rely on some recent law school grad that's been practicing for a year.

Also, the process itself is quite expensive.



That makes sense. Seems like people would want the justice system to be much more thorough when making the decision to kill someone than when making the decision to lock them up.


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