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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27146459 - 01/13/21 06:58 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Ah ok, yeas I used 190 proof grain alcohol. I would say that I used maybe 4-5 feet of cactus to make four doses 50-55 grams of tar each. I probably soaked and strained it 4-5 times. I made them for the mate and another close friend couple who said they wanted to try it, but have backed out many times, lol. I'm just itching to do my part, I may have made theirs too high a dose for their 1st time, but they've done LSD with me a few times over the last few years.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27147079 - 01/14/21 04:51 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

190 proof means 92% which is too strong for extractions. You will get better results using 70%. I have previously extracted from the same batch of San Pedro powder using 95% and then 70%. There was a massive difference! I have kept the material from 95% extraction and have flushed it a few times a while later with a 70% to get everything out.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27147626 - 01/14/21 12:10 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Just wanted to stop by and say I love the photos in this post. Something about them appeals to me greatly!


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: coversall]
    #27147721 - 01/14/21 01:02 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Thanks man! :smile:
I'm deep into digital photography for almost 20 years already.
I work semi-professional as photographer as a side-job, even made photograslistic texture-/materialpacks for computergames (UnrealEngine) and such..

Glad you like them. :thumbup:

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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27149059 - 01/15/21 04:06 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

I went over all your teks, just fantasic images!


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27228092 - 02/26/21 06:19 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

:sun:
Bookmark

Now where to get the cactus


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27241877 - 03/07/21 12:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Cool TEK, thanks!


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: MycFunk3D]
    #27726254 - 04/08/22 08:59 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Yeeeeuuuup.
This the way for me.
Next time a cactus crosses my path I won’t let it slip through my fingers again.
When the time is right.
Thank you for the insight.


Sidebar question though…

I’ve read you can dry, powder and mix the dark green material in a smoking blend and get really good results.
Any experiences out there?


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Soloist]
    #27730375 - 04/11/22 03:07 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

The heat would completely kill the actives. It's a myth. It's a placebo effect if stated as true. Maybe...:grin:


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27730696 - 04/11/22 07:35 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

so is it ok to use high heat? in my exp yes


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27730767 - 04/11/22 08:25 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

tyrannicalrex said:
The heat would completely kill the actives. It's a myth. It's a placebo effect if stated as true. Maybe...:grin:





I got the feeling you’re wrong about the high heat killing the actives…

Check out some reports on erowid,

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.cgi?S1=809&DoseMethodID=6&OldSort=RA_PDD&NewSort=&Start=0&ShowViews=0&Cellar=1


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Soloist]
    #27730906 - 04/11/22 11:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I have read that some native american tribes were reported to not only eat peyote but also smoke it to get high.

There seems to be something, but I don't know. :shrug:

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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Soloist]
    #27730923 - 04/11/22 11:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Wow.  I wonder if anyone's trying vaporizing freebased mescaline.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: flickedbic]
    #27730997 - 04/12/22 02:49 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

flickedbic said:
Wow.  I wonder if anyone's trying vaporizing freebased mescaline.




Definitely are, saw on tek on here for making the HCI salt I think?


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Soloist]
    #27731010 - 04/12/22 03:49 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

tar is gross, get them fine mesc needles for the ultimate ride :awecid:


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Blazer420]
    #27731026 - 04/12/22 04:50 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Tar is a full spectrum alkaloid extract without any nasty chemicals required.

Only water and heat is needed to get this almost tasteless and easy to dose form of cactus experience.

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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Soloist] * 1
    #27731557 - 04/12/22 03:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I have lived many years and seen and heard this tale many times in many different ways. Look up the chemical compound in the plant and why and how it becomes active and the heat point at which it kills it. One can not get a mescaline high off plant matter. Maybe a freebase form of the crystals but I'd want the full 15-18 hour trip personally. I'd smoke DMT to get that kind of trip. I'm also calling BS on all those erowid stories as they involve cannabis and/or a combo of many different other drugs. I'm not arguing or trying to start an argument either. It's completely obvious that smoking skins, tar, or dried tar dust whatever and getting a buzz from it is BS, period.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27731686 - 04/12/22 05:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

tyrannicalrex said:
I have lived many years and seen and heard this tale many times in many different ways. Look up the chemical compound in the plant and why and how it becomes active and the heat point at which it kills it. One can not get a mescaline high off plant matter. Maybe a freebase form of the crystals but I'd want the full 15-18 hour trip personally. I'd smoke DMT to get that kind of trip. I'm also calling BS on all those erowid stories as they involve cannabis and/or a combo of many different other drugs. I'm not arguing or trying to start an argument either. It's completely obvious that smoking skins, tar, or dried tar dust whatever and getting a buzz from it is BS, period.



Nah no argument from here my man.
You very well may be right.
Who knows what kind of synergy can exist between the other ingredients. Hell, even one of the reports regarding peyote admits that the pipe was already packed and they have no idea what was in it.
I have no experience with mescaline personally, yet.
Personally, I am very much into creating kinnickinnick blends. I’ve actually had low level hallucinations from a blend consisting of cannabis, wild tobacco, sacred lotus, mugwort, maybe uva ursi too (gotta look up my recipe)

At some point in the hopefully near future,
(but only when the time is right)
I will have the proper cactus teacher and testing this method is on my list.

I will mix it in an  inert blend such as mullein and raspberry leaf & report back.
:cactuar:

Edit:
I will also take a look into the properties of mescaline.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Soloist]
    #27751206 - 04/25/22 07:56 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

You are right, mescaline is indeed heat sensitive.

However, if one were to smoke cactus material, then there would be a plethora of other compounds/interactions  at play.
We are not dealing with strictly mescaline.

Seems that smoking dried cactus material is in fact a thing though…

Uses & Abuses of Plant-Derived Smoke
          It’s ethnobotany as hallucinogen, perfume
          Incense & medicine”
Written by- Marcello pennacchio , Lara Jefferson, Kayri Harris
Published by Oxford university press 2010

Page 172- Third entree
Trichocereus pachanoi Britton &Rose (cactaceae. San Pedro cactus.
Archeological digs in Las Alda’s, Peru, have revealed the remains of cigars that may have been smoked by the local people for their psychoactive properties (Sharron and Donnan 1977)




This will indeed be a method I test. Now, in reading my book, I will include it in a traditional sicar (Mayan cigar) with the Nicotiana I will be planting this year.
I will reply back at some point in the future.


Edit.
I must also add.


(Not going to take picture of this book)

The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants
Written by Christian Rätsch, published by park street press,

Page 508- Trichocereus Pachanoi

Recently, the use of cactus powder (sometimes in combination with Peganum harmala seeds) as a smoking substance has been on the rise. Whether psychoactive effects can be produced in this manner is questionable. I have not noticed any effects from such use.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets TEK. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Soloist]
    #27751463 - 04/26/22 12:50 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Soloist said:
You are right, mescaline is indeed heat sensitive.

However, if one were to smoke cactus material, then there would be a plethora of other compounds/interactions  at play.
We are not dealing with strictly mescaline.

Seems that smoking dried cactus material is in fact a thing though…

Uses & Abuses of Plant-Derived Smoke
          It’s ethnobotany as hallucinogen, perfume
          Incense & medicine”
Written by- Marcello pennacchio , Lara Jefferson, Kayri Harris
Published by Oxford university press 2010

Page 172- Third entree
Trichocereus pachanoi Britton &Rose (cactaceae. San Pedro cactus.
Archeological digs in Las Alda’s, Peru, have revealed the remains of cigars that may have been smoked by the local people for their psychoactive properties (Sharron and Donnan 1977)




This will indeed be a method I test. Now, in reading my book, I will include it in a traditional sicar (Mayan cigar) with the Nicotiana I will be planting this year.
I will reply back at some point in the future.


Edit.
I must also add.


(Not going to take picture of this book)

The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants
Written by Christian Rätsch, published by park street press,

Page 508- Trichocereus Pachanoi

Recently, the use of cactus powder (sometimes in combination with Peganum harmala seeds) as a smoking substance has been on the rise. Whether psychoactive effects can be produced in this manner is questionable. I have not noticed any effects from such use.



that's interesting, keep us updated
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