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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: bob5]
    #26940273 - 09/17/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I was thinking this as well. Maybe some hot tea of choice? Maybe ginger tea?


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26940625 - 09/17/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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bob5 said:
Great news. Thanks!

Maybe something could be drunk to help the tar dissolve easier..



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I was thinking this as well. Maybe some hot tea of choice? Maybe ginger tea?






Totally :yesnod: .


Yea that's something I was actually going to mention in my previous post but forgot too.

One of the times I dosed the tar I think that's exactly what I did IIRC, I think I had a cup of some sort of hot botanical/herbal tea as soon as all the tar was in my tummy...Figured it would help the tar to dissolve a bit while also calming the stomach.

Other times I've just ate a little something light & easy as soon as I've got the dose all down....some fruit or a couple slices of toast with honey/jam.

I feel that having little bit of food & roughage in the stomach shortly after dosing will do the most to help the tar to dissolve & digest quicker, and therefor help with the absorption of the actives. I feel that'll likely help with stomach load/nausea a little bit too (I know lots of folks feel differently on this, but for me personally a little bit of food in the stomach goes a long way to help lessen potential stomach load/nausea)......Even when I dose mushrooms, 1/2 the time I'll eat a light snack right after I dose em' (fruit or toast usually).


I do feel the tar dissolves in the stomach/gut kinda slowly (make the balls/pellets of tar small to increase surface area), and the actives are delivered into one's system slower than with tea....but the tar def still does the trick :yesnod: . With tea tho, there's been times I feel the "first alert" and first signs of lifting off baseline literally within less than a minute after I've taken the first gulp (but there is still a long slow drawn out climb into the peak/plateau of the trip).



I've got like 5 feet worth of thick old cactus reduced down into tar right now. I've been holding onto it until I have the chance to have a session with it while outdoors in nature/camping. Last time I dosed cactus/mescaline was indoors at home solo, and I told myself the next time I have a session with it that it will have to be outdoors in nature and with a good close friend or two.




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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27073511 - 12/05/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This looks like a tek worth trying. Was it hard to get it off the glass ?


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27075001 - 12/06/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

As I wrote above it's best to scape up while the dish is still warm and the tar still soft.

The colder it gets the harder it is to scrape up. :shrug:

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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27131144 - 01/06/21 05:43 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Do you throw away the white core? Or does 100% of the cacti go into your pot in this tek?


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: bob5] * 1
    #27135513 - 01/08/21 03:18 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I only throw away the core when I eat cactus raw.

When doing a boil for tea or pellets I use the whole plant.

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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: bob5]
    #27135551 - 01/08/21 03:35 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

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Great news. Thanks!

Maybe something could be drunk to help the tar dissolve easier..




You need to stimulate the production of digestive acids and enzymes to help break up the tar.
Easiest bet would be freshly ground black pepper. 
I suggest researching in this direction.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27135949 - 01/08/21 06:08 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Hmm, what if one used a small amount of alcohol or water to re-hydrate the ta just a bit to facilitate digestion?


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27137377 - 01/09/21 10:37 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Hmm, what if one used a small amount of alcohol or water to re-hydrate the ta just a bit to facilitate digestion?




Definitely dissolving in water would hep. But then one would have to deal with the taste. Tar pellet method is all about avoiding the challenging taste, which can last for hours.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27138679 - 01/09/21 10:20 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

My thinking is that some of the tar doesn't dissolve and get processed so you lose some but I don't really know.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 3
    #27138740 - 01/09/21 11:03 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

What if you made the tar balls as tiny as possible before tossing them back and washing them down?

I'm thinking the smaller they are, the more rapidly they can be broken down.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: flickedbic]
    #27138847 - 01/10/21 12:35 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

I packed the tar into capsules. 55 grams in about 12 caps I think, I have to look again. And its 55 grams of tar.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27139152 - 01/10/21 08:01 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

55g is a lot of tar. When I make tar like above, I end up with ~10g per foot. So a full dose is 15 to 20g.

And yes, very small tar pellets will dissolve faster than big pellets. :thumbup:

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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27139539 - 01/10/21 11:14 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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My thinking is that some of the tar doesn't dissolve and get processed so you lose some but I don't really know.




Possibly. Especially if there is food left in the digestive tract. The tar I used to eat wasn't too hard though, in fact it was pretty gooey. I have seen pics of some tart pellets that were pretty hard and guess would take very long to absorb.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: flickedbic]
    #27139541 - 01/10/21 11:16 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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I'm thinking the smaller they are, the more rapidly they can be broken down.




A higher number of smaller pellets means more surface contact area.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27141936 - 01/11/21 12:25 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)



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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27144401 - 01/12/21 06:37 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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55g is a lot of tar. When I make tar like above, I end up with ~10g per foot. So a full dose is 15 to 20g.

And yes, very small tar pellets will dissolve faster than big pellets. :thumbup:

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I have done 35 grams of tar from this same plant and had a really nice light to medium trip, so I was thinking 55 grams would be a pretty nice solid trip without too much.:confused: I dried it further in the oven so it was almost powdery tar, kind of like the real road tar that can break like chips, but be waxy and soft if held. It seems to have liquefied in the capsules too.:shrug: Maybe a warm cup of some nice ginger tea with it? I'm getting antsy as I made it xmas of 2018 so it's been over a year and I want to trip on this cactus a bit harder that the 35 grams. I have done mescaline only a hand full of times and 2 are from this cactus in the last 10 years. Numerous LSD and mushroom trips though. You got a 55 gram tar trip report for me from a Peruvian blue Torch (labeled) of the strength I describe? It was akin to I'd say 2 grams of mushrooms, maybe 1.5.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27144949 - 01/13/21 01:36 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

No, you misunderstood. :tongue2:
I didn't want to say that 55g is too high of a dose. If 35g was a light to medium trip, then totally go for 55g. :thumbup:

I just wonder why your yield is so high, compared to my tar. You did an everclear extraction, right? Alcohol is said to extract even less unwanted crap than water, that's why I think alcohol tar should lead to a smaller and or more potent yield.

Don't get me wrong, take the 55g. :smile:
It's just that if I would take 55g of the tar shown in the first post, this would be like taking a dose five and a half feet worth, and totally turn my universe upside down. :smirk:

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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: laughingdog] * 2
    #27145212 - 01/13/21 07:08 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Don’t worry about it dissolving in your stomach, if you hold it in your hand it’ll melt right away.  You can roll them in flour just to make them handleable but once you swallow them they aren’t going to stay pellets.  Plus with the long onset they have plenty of time to dissolve and get where it needs to be.

You’ll think it’s not working but it’ll work, and then you’ll do things like wonder how long that pattern you never noticed before has been on the floor.


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Re: Cactus tar pellets. No taste, minimal nausea [Re: Amanita86]
    #27145273 - 01/13/21 07:51 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

I used to roll mine in cocoa powder.

It's interesting how it makes you start paying attention to things you never paid attention to. Patterns on the floor are just one example.


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