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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: coda]
#26915316 - 09/03/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some of the best I've ever smoked had been my own and that's not me being full of myself, I really like my weed. What you said about grams per watt has a lot to do with what I was getting at. When you have to pay for all those lights, the hydro, ventilation, you might get bugs or mold, the plants aren't as strong so they need more support. All that little shit adds up, it's a costly endeavour.
I've got two light to get them started then they're out in May. I have the ground all prepped, I always add more dirt every year just to have more loose dirt plus the nutrients, then I wait like a month because of the dirt I use and I have a barn full of old, dry manure. So I wait, and then I feed them 1-2x a month, maybe once every 1-2 weeks during flower. That's about it. I water the shit out of them often, remove shitty branches and intrusive/dying leaves, try to keep the bugs off.. it's really not hard. Train where and when you need to a 1lb plant is a standard for me, I'm pretty disappointed when I don't get it, I'm just saying that because I know what I do works for me. the hardest part imo is having a proper environment for drying and curing. I think optimal is like 60% humidity at 16-18°C and most people just can't provide that without a decent investment.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26915322 - 09/03/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If there was a strain that had almost no smell at all, I might try growing some outdoors. I don't want to spend a bunch of money on lights and odor control. Also, I just don't have room for even one plant inside.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26915330 - 09/03/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: If there was a strain that had almost no smell at all, I might try growing some outdoors. I don't want to spend a bunch of money on lights and odor control. Also, I just don't have room for even one plant inside.
Northern lights or cindy 99 both are very low odor. I grew a NLxC99 that barely smelled like more than tomatoes, certainly not the skunk bombs everything post-dawg/diesal has been. A true NL should always be low odor, it was bread before carbon filters were invented
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: 1314697] 1
#26915489 - 09/03/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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1314697 said: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science
Its easier for me to get rockets going with fertilizer than weed 
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: icetech]
#26915956 - 09/03/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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icetech said: If you want to grow backyard shit weed that's fine... yes the plants will grow..
My plants get a ph check nightly. new nutes nightly... lights adjusted.. I give them every advantage possible to have the healthiest plants and good weed i can.. nothing rocket science about it though. it's PH and nutes...
It's genetics these days, maybe 15+ years ago you had to be anal about it but now backyard weed can be just as strong as something you play chemist with. It might not look as pretty as indoor but no grow light will ever be able to do what the sun does
No.. the sun will always be better.. and i don't consider mixing some nutes in water playing chemist 
There is a difference between most back yard outdoor growers and the guys that grow monster plants.. the guys growing the mega stuff still use nutes and check PH and all that same as indoor guys do.
I am not anti outdoor weed.. i mean weed is weed... but i don't see why people would think indoors is hard or anything special to do either..
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: 1314697] 1
#26915965 - 09/03/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the nail was hit on the head by whoever said that curing was the hard part and really determines a lot about how it'll turn out.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: 1314697] 1
#26915983 - 09/03/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats like saying why eat healthy when you can live off of fast food. I grow weed for a living and the strains defanitly make a huge dif, and ofcourse they can grow off a bare minimum food program, but if your gonna invest in growing weed ( not a cheap endeavour) do it right n get the biggest bang for ur buck instead of cuttin corners n gettin alright weed
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: coda]
#26915986 - 09/03/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's genetics these days, maybe 15+ years ago you had to be anal about it but now backyard weed can be just as strong as something you play chemist with. It might not look as pretty as indoor but no grow light will ever be able to do what the sun does
I agree here. The plant I grew wasn't pretty and the bud was loose, but it smelled just as good and was the same high really. It was dispensary crop seed a guy had bred himself. I do have some older random schwagbag seeds I'm growing too.
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Ive been growing herb for over 15 years now, I'd hardly consider myself an expert, but I will say that your genetics do about 90% of the heavy lifting. As long as you have some basic knowledge of plant care and optimal growth conditions, you can grow some damn fine weed for yourself with minimal effort. It might not be at the same level as the "boutique" quality stuff, but it will most likely compete with the majority of med/rec shit you see in dispos.
IMO the "science" part of growing comes into play for those looking to eek out every last gram per watt they can, every last oz of potency, basically just min/maxing to get everything they possibly can out of their grow. Its admirable, but not necessary to grow good herb.
I agree 100% here as well. Nailed it!
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Marmie]
#26916030 - 09/03/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Marmie said: Thats like saying why eat healthy when you can live off of fast food. I grow weed for a living and the strains defanitly make a huge dif, and ofcourse they can grow off a bare minimum food program, but if your gonna invest in growing weed ( not a cheap endeavour) do it right n get the biggest bang for ur buck instead of cuttin corners n gettin alright weed
Stupid fucking post op
I don't think he's talking about people who grow weed for a living.
You can, as you say, "invest in growing weed", or you can just grow some weed. Don't expect to win any Cannabis Cups if you choose the later, but there's nothing wrong with doing that.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26916088 - 09/03/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No.. the sun will always be better.. and i don't consider mixing some nutes in water playing chemist
I 100% absolutely disagree with this statement. The difference between outdoor and indoor growing is that with indoor grows you have total control over EVERYTHING. Temps, humidity, light cycle, substrate etc
The point of indoor growing is not to emulate growing in nature, its to provide a much better and more consistent environment for your crops to thrive in. The main advantage you get with outdoor grows is that your container is mother earth, so you can grow absolutely massive plants. Other than that all you do is fight everything, the elements, pests, rippers etc There's nothing wrong with enjoying growing outdoor bud, and in fact it is far less impactful on the environment, but i will never accept that "the sun is better because nature". Its in the same vein that organic is better than hydro, just a load of shit that gets passed around until the end of time.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: coda]
#26916121 - 09/03/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll combine the 2, greenhouse plus pots/potting soil/dirt.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26916303 - 09/03/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: The newer high-performing strains take some real skill to grow out to maximum potency. They're also just not particularly robust plants either. It takes a fair amount of skill just to keep them alive.
Older, classic strains, like Afghani or Skunk#1 are much easier to grow out successfully.
Not to mention all the pests that have thrived in large growing regions. Powdery mildew and various mites being among the worst these days, coupled with the ridiculously high standards for it to be sold on a shelf, legally.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: coda]
#26916444 - 09/03/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No.. the sun will always be better.. and i don't consider mixing some nutes in water playing chemist
I 100% absolutely disagree with this statement. The difference between outdoor and indoor growing is that with indoor grows you have total control over EVERYTHING. Temps, humidity, light cycle, substrate etc
The point of indoor growing is not to emulate growing in nature, its to provide a much better and more consistent environment for your crops to thrive in. The main advantage you get with outdoor grows is that your container is mother earth, so you can grow absolutely massive plants. Other than that all you do is fight everything, the elements, pests, rippers etc There's nothing wrong with enjoying growing outdoor bud, and in fact it is far less impactful on the environment, but i will never accept that "the sun is better because nature". Its in the same vein that organic is better than hydro, just a load of shit that gets passed around until the end of time.
Lol said the guy that thinks it’s scientifical. Lol kidding. Yea I’d say Oregon outdoor veg is better than my indoor. Flowering is another subject. You can always tell out door or geeenhouse bud. Also I do think soil grown small out door fully organic super soil herb has a better flavor. I haven’t had a chance to run it through the purple tester or through a lab.... yet.... but indoor coco, chelated nutes are probably 3 times faster better yield arguably higher potency less rot, maybe more pests indoor compared to running a fresh plant from seed outdoor. I’ve seen cannabis aphids inside and out though. But inside they just keep going and moving around. Never seen root aphids attack a plant outside. Fuck those little cocksuckers. Although we broke records on potency while fighting root aphids drenching the fuck out of flowering plants with the WP... not my call. At the time main gardener only treated plants in flower blew my mind fuck that guy. Anyway. Weed I don’t know shit.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Hunter hunter] 2
#26916597 - 09/03/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Serious people grow clones. Seeds are just a way to transfer genetics from one place to another. The downside is you have to to keep the plant going 12 months a year, and even if you're an outdoor grower, you have to be an indoor grower.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Brian Jones]
#26916899 - 09/04/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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but indoor coco, chelated nutes are probably 3 times faster better yield arguably higher potency less rot, maybe more pests indoor compared to running a fresh plant from seed outdoor.
Oddly enough that's exactly how i grow. Only pest that is a common one for me is fungus gnats, but they're pretty easily dealt with and often times don't end up damaging my crops. Ive had two cases of spider mites, one mild and one severe (had to get rid of all my moms and start over from cuttings again). However those were years when local mite population was bad and i just dragged the bastards in to my cabinet somehow. Other than that, zero issues and i dont think id ever switch to anything else.
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ehhhhhh, serious people grow from seed too or you wouldnt have 800 million strains out there as we speak. Clones are definitely a better choice than seeds, and if you have a deep enough wallet you dont have to keep moms. You can order clones online now and have em shipped if you live in the states.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: coda]
#26916913 - 09/04/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have been doing DWC and Coco for almost 2 years and no bugs luckily I do seed or clone.. seeds to try new strains, clones to keep the ones i like..
I don't keep mother plants though, i just do a few cuttings 2-3 weeks into flower. works fine.
right now 2 laughing buddha clones in flower with 2 more in the bubbler waiting on roots..
Next grow is ghost train haze from seed though.. will see how it is.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: icetech]
#26916959 - 09/04/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't like relying on clones because that means I'd have to start earlier and then my mothers are a lot older when they go out. Clones would be significantly cheaper but with clones there's no variation. If I've never grown a particular plant before either then there's a bigger margin of error because I don't know how the plant takes to cloning. Some plants have really short nodes. They have really thin stalks or thick stalks. You have to do it at the right time. For instance I have a new strain I could get clones from this year exause I found the stalk to be so god damn thick that it didn't take well to cloning. It just didn't wanna. I take clones but usually just out of convenience or to help get my target yield. Or if there's a particular strain like I bought 1 blue cheese seed this year, love the bud it's fun to grow but it gets really windy here and it gets massive massive bat-like colas. I can tell it would prefer an indoor setup just because of that. Yields are spectacular. But yeah, clones are an inconvenience for the way I like to grow. I like to keep it relaxed. It's a fun hobby
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26916972 - 09/04/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fair enough i mainly use clones cause i hate buying seeds.. so when i find a strain i like i grow enough to last me quite awhile then move on..
The buddha is too strong.. was told ghost train haze is nice.. excited to try it.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: icetech]
#26917151 - 09/04/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm a clone guy too for the exact reason that larry doesnt like, i don't like variation. I want consistency. I have legit been growing the same strain for the past 5 years (and at least 1-2 different strains i rotate) because of how easy it is to grow, how nice the buds it produces are, and even though its not as strong as others i grow it is quite enjoyable effects wise.
Different strokes for different folks, but quite enjoy the fact i have one strain I know will turn out amazing, and a few others im trying out or trying to learn how to grow better.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: coda]
#26917156 - 09/04/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah.. i try to find something i like then grow it out a few times. I think white widow is my favorite.. it's not too strong, tastes like lemon and doesn't wreck my night.. i am done chasing strong stains after the buddha
I usually veg a long time while i LST.. my last 2 clones though.. jesus they went from bubble cloner>tent> 2.5 weeks later into flower.. shit just grew insanely fast.. and i'm praying it stops stretching like today or it's gonna be painful.
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