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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Asante] 4
#26912279 - 09/01/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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All the older smokers I know and knew who got it together smoked the milder oldfashioned strains.
All the older smokers who didnt have it together smoked the super strong modern stuff.
If you roll joints of pure weed of strong Dutch Haze or White varieties you just about lose consciousness or bounce off the walls, if you don't have an enormous tolerance.
Its these super strong sativas that are primarily associated with the heightend mental health risks for people who arent psychologically sturdy.
Less potent weed needs NOT be lower quality, thats like saying that Everclear is higher quality than wine or an IPA.
Outdoor grown, mild potency, high flavor, CURED weed beats superfuck WET weed that molds over if you put it in a baggie because it practically got ripped off a plant and sold.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: 1314697]
#26912294 - 09/01/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just recently watched a cartel documentary and it mentions how Rafeal Caro Quintero (of the now defunct Guadalajara Cartel) had a marijuana field in Mexico that was some 1,300 and change acres large, contained up to 6,000 tons of weed and was worth (by today's standards) up to 8 billion dollars street value. This field was also referenced and shown in the Netflix series Narcos as well.
That is one epic weed field.
By the way Rafeal Quintero is still out there somewhere in Mexico and if one of you pubbers can find him the US government will reward you a cool 20 million dollars.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Niffla] 2
#26912359 - 09/01/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The newer high-performing strains take some real skill to grow out to maximum potency. They're also just not particularly robust plants either. It takes a fair amount of skill just to keep them alive.
Older, classic strains, like Afghani or Skunk#1 are much easier to grow out successfully.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: 1314697]
#26912387 - 09/01/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ha, instagram.
I think I started the seeds in the pot in April or may, then it started flowering around sept-oct maybe. It was back in 2016. Karmaceuticals seeds. I'm pretty sure I still have some, somewhere. I do have some seeds I'm starting though. I'm thinking maybe 4 plants max if that.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: tyrannicalrex] 3
#26912573 - 09/01/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I still have 20-30 seeds from my first bag of weed from around 1992.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#26912580 - 09/01/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: Some people can grow so well it becomes consumable art and medicine. There's strains that can justify a 60$ 8th so to strive towards the best weed possible when growing is natural and fear folks like me it can mean the difference between pretty effective meds and very effective.
$60 for an 8th is so expensive! :/
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26912595 - 09/01/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Growing the weed is the easy part. Curing the weed perfectly is the part that takes rocket science.
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Jokeshopbeard said: I would love loev LOVE to get my hands on some plain old, outdoor grown, anti-science-fuckery (dirt) weed.
Alas, where I am, I cannot find weed like that for love nor money.
If you want shitty weed I got you covered. I'll give you a big ass bag of it free whenever you are out my way.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: SonicTitan]
#26912602 - 09/01/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said:
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Seriously_trippin said: Some people can grow so well it becomes consumable art and medicine. There's strains that can justify a 60$ 8th so to strive towards the best weed possible when growing is natural and fear folks like me it can mean the difference between pretty effective meds and very effective.
$60 for an 8th is so expensive! :/
Yeah, usually. I buy top notch stuff from California dispensaries sometimes for about that price, or I did before I started growing, and it is definitely worth it for the unique great taste and quality. A $25 jar will get you just as high, but the flavor isn't always there. Also depends where you live too. $60 in North Dakota goes further than $60 in California.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26912700 - 09/01/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I about shit when I realized they are selling some of my strains for 19$ a gram. It’s good but not that good. Nothing is wtf... also I’ve noticed the higher testing strains are harder to clone and get good transplant. The lower potency stinkers are 100% success rate totally neglected it’s weird.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26912838 - 09/01/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: Outdoor grown, mild potency, high flavor, CURED weed beats superfuck WET weed that molds over if you put it in a baggie because it practically got ripped off a plant and sold.
Fucking AMEN!
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That's very kind of you. I could never take you up on the offer but I do very much appreciate the gesture.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26912923 - 09/01/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's all preference, but for me I always prefer indoor, the flavor from indoor is always much more noticable and less "grassy/outdoorsy"
When it comes to new strains versus older strains I tend to prefer alot of the newer strains because there bred for higher THC content and some even for specific terpenes like for instance theres a strain called fruit punch that would be deemed a "newer" strain and it naturally smells like the drink fruit punch and you just dont get that with older strains
When it comes down to growing though let's use mushrooms as the example, sure the PF tek works but when you get more involved by getting into agar and monotubs/bulk substrate you have the ability to achieve MUCH higher yields and even select more potent clones, growing any plant is comparable because yes you can get it to grow and mabye even get some pretty alright stuff off it without much effort by just watering it BUT if you take the same strain and give it the best growing conditions that we possibly can then we have the ability to get much higher potency and flavor by simply artificially providing as close to the perfect environment as we can
It's not rocket science but it can seem like it if somebody doesnt have a basic understanding of how plants grow, I mean if a person is kept in bare minimal conditions sure they're still alive but are they going to be as happy and healthy as somebody who lives a more full/well rounded lifestyle? It's like eating McDonald's for every meal versus eating a healthy well balanced diet for every meal 
BUT between working at a professional farm and growing myself for awhile now I may be more biased in my preferences plus I always enjoy pushing myself to seeing just how good I can be so why not do the same with growing?
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: DnDRnD]
#26915025 - 09/03/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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With today's genetics and legalization in a couple states pot seeds aren't what they used to be. I'll say it again, good growing medium, plenty of sun, and you'll have dank weed. $60 an 1/8th is ridiculous, I saw some places when I lived in Colorado that sold weed for prices like that and I never even paid that in highschool in NC. $35 an 1/8th will get you the best there is in a place like that with Soooooo much supply, $60 is just taking advantage of the tourist and people who think it's better because the price
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: 1314697]
#26915031 - 09/03/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want to grow backyard shit weed that's fine... yes the plants will grow..
My plants get a ph check nightly. new nutes nightly... lights adjusted.. I give them every advantage possible to have the healthiest plants and good weed i can.. nothing rocket science about it though. it's PH and nutes...
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: Asante]
#26915033 - 09/03/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said:
If you roll joints of pure weed of strong Dutch Haze or White varieties you just about lose consciousness or bounce off the walls, if you don't have an enormous tolerance.
Outdoor grown, mild potency, high flavor, CURED weed beats superfuck WET weed that molds over if you put it in a baggie because it practically got ripped off a plant and sold.
I wouldn't have believed the first part until i recently grew laughing buddha.. My tolerance is crazy high right now and i can't handle that weed it's just too much. I think durban and white widow are about as strong as i like.
On the second part, indoor/outdoor doesn't matter if it's not dried/cured correctly.. a bad cure will destroy the best weed..
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: icetech]
#26915146 - 09/03/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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icetech said: If you want to grow backyard shit weed that's fine... yes the plants will grow..
My plants get a ph check nightly. new nutes nightly... lights adjusted.. I give them every advantage possible to have the healthiest plants and good weed i can.. nothing rocket science about it though. it's PH and nutes...
It's genetics these days, maybe 15+ years ago you had to be anal about it but now backyard weed can be just as strong as something you play chemist with. It might not look as pretty as indoor but no grow light will ever be able to do what the sun does
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: 1314697]
#26915155 - 09/03/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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1314697 said:
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icetech said: If you want to grow backyard shit weed that's fine... yes the plants will grow..
My plants get a ph check nightly. new nutes nightly... lights adjusted.. I give them every advantage possible to have the healthiest plants and good weed i can.. nothing rocket science about it though. it's PH and nutes...
It's genetics these days, maybe 15+ years ago you had to be anal about it but now backyard weed can be just as strong as something you play chemist with. It might not look as pretty as indoor but no grow light will ever be able to do what the sun does
No.. the sun will always be better.. and i don't consider mixing some nutes in water playing chemist 
There is a difference between most back yard outdoor growers and the guys that grow monster plants.. the guys growing the mega stuff still use nutes and check PH and all that same as indoor guys do.
I am not anti outdoor weed.. i mean weed is weed... but i don't see why people would think indoors is hard or anything special to do either..
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: icetech]
#26915165 - 09/03/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm a bit of a fence sitter on the subject. On the one hand, when you're picking your strains it's the most important thing. You could pick the right strain, do nothing, and get good weed. Step 1. Hella important. If someone tells you different ime they'd just not have experimented enough to know. I've grown a ton of strains. But they all need different things. Which means that once they are in the ground or whatever the environment/growing conditions are most important. Which leads to your question, are growing conditions important enough that maximizing them significantly increases productivity? Lol. Yeah bro. It's a science. But there's a trade-off. The more you pump that shit to them the shittier the weed gets, the more manufactured. A lot of people aren't big on it, I'm not. I can feel it in my lungs. But I'll tell you, you do one plant with just water all year you can get some decent bud but the yields will look dumb beside the plants that even recieved a minimum of nutrient. If you literally just fed for flowering productivity the difference is ridiculous. I've experimented. They need these chemicals to grow but too much can either fuck the plant up or it just makes it smoke weird. All of this stuff is ultra important for growing indoor and in greenhouses because they have to get those things from you whereas with an outdoor grow you could pick some nice loam and you might get just killer plants. That's why you get so many pretentious die-hards about it, because they spend all their time fiddling with their shit just to get a good result. Outdoor is much more relaxed but the thing is it's harder to get what people expect "high grade" weed to be, even if it's just as strong. Then you start talking about shit like training ect. Every plant needs something different and every technique will have different requirements.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26915182 - 09/03/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with genetics meaning more than anything... thats why i am picky about the seeds i pop since i only run 4 plants at a time.
The thing about indoor growing being rocket science is just silly though. I started using jacks 321 almost 2 years ago now, from sprout to harvest without any changes the entire way. It's really not rocket science.
As far as training goes.. i train the shit outa my plants, it has nothing to do with quality though i run 8-12 top colas depending on my mood when training if i didn't train my yield would pretty much drop in half. That is one great thing about outside grows you can just let them rip and get massive In smaller tents training is a must. Still not rocket science though and takes seconds.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: icetech] 2
#26915231 - 09/03/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive been growing herb for over 15 years now, i'd hardly consider myself an expert, but I will say that your genetics do about 90% of the heavy lifting. As long as you have some basic knowledge of plant care and optimal growth conditions, you can grow some damn fine weed for yourself with minimal effort. It might not be at the same level as the "boutique" quality stuff, but it will most likely compete with the majority of med/rec shit you see in dispos.
IMO the "science" part of growing comes into play for those looking to eek out every last gram per watt they can, every last oz of potency, basically just min/maxing to get everything they possibly can out of their grow. Its admirable, but not necessary to grow good herb. I'm fairly confident i could teach someone with zero knowledge of growing herb my own method and have them producing some damn fine crops within a harvest or two.
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Re: Why do people act like growing pot is rocket science [Re: 1314697] 2
#26915302 - 09/03/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a degree in psychics and have also grown cannabis, i am therefore qualified to assure you that growing it is not rocket science.
Growing high quality weed without the use of pesticides and fungicides in an efficient fashion with low environmental impact is however challenging and just as much a science as any other horticultural endeavor.
Sure you can toss some seeds in some dirt and get something, but try running a several 100 sq ft perpetual indoor grow while staying within the regulatory parameters set out for water, fertilizer, pesticide, fungicide and energy use to produce a competitive product in a market like denver where $100 ounces are the regular and you are certainly going to need the same type of science and planning that gets people to the moon.
P.s. anyone who has spent 3 months growing a plant to find it lackluster even in optimum conditions knows that strain or more specifically proven clones of selected grow outs is just as important as anything else.
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