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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: 1234go] * 1
    #26904553 - 08/28/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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What are the ethics of lureing these guys out so aggresively?






I wonder how many of these encounters have gone terribly wrong.  I wanna see a "when pedos fight back" compilation.





There was one I saw where the dude (pedo) started to get very angry and I think started as if he was going to go towards the guy recording. But then the guy I guess thought better of it. He was still on the verge of exploding I thought. He got in his car and left.

I tried to find it just now but can't seem to.

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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #26904564 - 08/28/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That story is terrible. The kid literally has no clue.


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26905576 - 08/29/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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16 is iffy, but I bet there are a  lot of them doing it and not telling anyone. I personally find it too young, but it would help clear up some of the pedo stuff, maybe. Some 16yo look like they are 12-14yo. Some 18 yo's do.:eek: 17yo might be more reasonable actually, why not the rated R movie age? I think rated R movies were 17yo at one time, even porn.




The issue is not whether people at X age should be allowed to have sex at all though. It's more that minors whose cognitive abilities are not fully developed are susceptible to manipulation and exploitation by an adult. You can make it legal for people of those ages to have sex with someone of a similar age without making it legal for any adult to have sex with a 16 or 17 year old (e.g. the 3 year rule).


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: psi] * 1
    #26905644 - 08/29/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Anybody who seriously thinks the age of consent should be lowered to 16 and “fair game” for adults has been hanging around with :pedobear: a little bit much me thinks.


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: theRealrollforever] * 1
    #26905693 - 08/29/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I'd like to think that's not what he meant.

I fooled around a bit with a 19 year old woman when I was 25. Nothing our society considers immoral but it was still like we were on an uneven footing. At the time she didn't have the life experience to see through my bullshit (trying to maintain a persona to keep her interested).


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: psi] * 2
    #26905728 - 08/29/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

LOL this video made my day. I just don't see how someone who is a fully grown adult I  their late 20s or 30s or 40s  or whatever really justify pursuing a child. Teenager, but still a child IMO. What kind of justification could there be? There is like 0 common ground or anything to even peak interest unless you're like this pos in the video.

Even if it's "okay" in the eyes of the law to be able to have sex with someone who is 16  its fucked up because it's taking advantage I'd say. Or some weird power trip. Plus I'm sure teenagers are easily impressionable (I was at those ages) and/or want to act cooler or older than they are in almost every aspect of their lives ( I tried to hang with the older crews when I was in my teens and act like I was more experienced than I was)
To me it is a scapegoat for pervs to feel justified in their actions.


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26907316 - 08/30/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here's another one. This 54 year old thought he was about to meet up with a 14 yr old.



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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: Niffla]
    #26910922 - 08/31/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Don't the majority of these people get off?


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26911328 - 09/01/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Anybody who seriously thinks the age of consent should be lowered to 16 and “fair game” for adults has been hanging around with :pedobear: a little bit much me thinks.



Yeah, I think I stated it wrong, the 3 year rule is best. I have stated many times I personally DO NOT want or desire any person that young, but it does happen and it will not stop happening unfortunately. I was thinking that maybe if the age of consent is lowered to 17yo (Like to see an R movie) it might cut down on those convictions that totally ruin peoples lives.
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Don't the majority of these people get off?



:rimshot:

I know what you mean, and yes they seem to get less sentencing than say a guy caught with an ounce of cocaine or even weed. It's pretty fucking strange.

In light of how long we live now it does seem that 18 is a fair age of consent. There are some teenagers 16-17yo and up that are fully aware of what they are doing and have no qualms about fucking a 40 plus year old. There was some 80's porn star that was 16 or 17yo when she did porn and no one knew until a decade later.


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: theRealrollforever] * 1
    #26911397 - 09/01/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Anybody who seriously thinks the age of consent should be lowered to 16 and “fair game” for adults has been hanging around with :pedobear: a little bit much me thinks.





In Holland the conditional age of consent is 16 if scrutiny of the relationship defines it as nonabusive and nonexploitative, and the real age of consent is 18.

Holland had a bad name in regard that "anything goes" but actually as you see the laws aren't all that bad. If relationships of 16 and 17 year olds fail the scrutiny test, there is still full persecution of the older partner, so in fact the age of consent is 18, with a caveat for slightly younger teens in perfectly fair relationships with somewhat older peers.


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: Asante]
    #26911455 - 09/01/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This. Although it would NEVER fly here in god fearing usa. They want to corrupt our innocent young virgins/minds with their manipulative ways! They're too young to know any better.:rolleyes:

Like I said, I don't want the younger people, I'm married anyway. I think it would cut down on incarcerations of people that don't really deserve it. There are some very manipulative and crafty teens out there who may prey on older people to blackmail them etc...its not always the older one doing all the mind games etc...


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26911541 - 09/01/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Without wanting to defend sex offenders in any way, I'd like to make the point that if a 16 year old has a relationship that involves sexual activity with, boldly stated for emphasis, a 26 year old, it isn't necessarily the case that the adult exploits the minor in devious, manipulative or other evil sick twisted ways. Not every adult is a monster, and not every minor is innocence incarnate.

Its the knee jerk reaction to project every bad trait an adult can have on an adult engaging into such a relationship, because most people from both age groups feel great resistance against such a relationship, but a minority, in both age groups, feels otherwise, and it can be a relationship between two of these where there is no degree of victimhood or victimization happening.

This is what Dutch authorities very thoroughly examine, completely case specific, and if the relationship is deemed to be benevolent and without harm, it is deemed as the right of the 16yo or 17yo to engage in that relationship.

Life is more complicated than most people dicuss it, in terms of race, gender, but also, age.  There in some cases is more to it than a hard binary yes or no.

I once heard a story of a Shroomerite who, as a 16yo, actively sought out a relationship with an adult woman and this adult woman gave in to his charm and gave him what he insisted upon, appeared to need in his development and appeared to suffer no ill consequences of.
Was she so evil? Should her life be destroyed over this?

As a teen I was utterly disgusted by adults :lol: and to be involved with one would have been gross beyond measure. Most teens are like that. "that is, ew, so not done." But some aren't. Some flirt with teachers and other adults around them and mean it. And having been teens, most of us have had peers who were like that, growing up.

Most of us wish it just didnt exist but, for some it does and for them its a reality. Just as there are people who dig younger, there are people who dig older, its a simple variation within the human species.

A very common one. An erotic magazine showcasing women over 40 would be found in the fetish porn section :lol:

Armed with this wisdom the Dutch authorities say: "If you are 16 or 17 you have the right to enter relationships, provided they stand up against law enforcement and psychologist scrutiny to avoid you coming to harm. If you are 18, go have yourself suspended by fish hooks in some strangers basement for all we care."

I think this is an enlightened Dutch policy, just like condoning cannabis, regulating abortion, euthanasia and prostitution sensibly.


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26911629 - 09/01/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Excellent post! Agreed 100%. Americans are trained to think differently unfortunately. I was after a neighbor who looked about 40's-50's when I was 15yo. I fantasized about it and even went so far as to leave a note in his mailbox asking him to meet outside at a certain time if he wanted to have a sex encounter. Pretty brave for a 15yo in the 80's (or any time really). He did come outside, I stared at him and he at me. He just went back in and didn't wave or anything. I have always been attracted to older men, mainly in the mid 50's and up.:shrug: That was my point in my posts. Some people thought I meant I liked younger, how so very wrong they were, lol!


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26911654 - 09/01/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That was fucking dangerous in the 80s Tyrannicalrex, a good thing your neightbor was decent enough to not ruin your life with the fact that you were gay and made a pass at him. Depending on your parents, that could have gotten you kicked out of your house by your folks.





Was this before you came out?

I waited with my coming out till I was 18 so that, had I gotten kicked out, I'd be a legal adult who could live on his own. I knew I was gay since I was wee little. Always felt different and well, my twanger only twanged towards boys, not girls. You just know.


I ran into 3 pedophiles as a kid (cute kid :yesnod:), one molested me when I was 8 and messed me up for life, one approached my friends and me while we were having an adventure in a bush and that was a fairly innocent thing, he wanted to see not touch from afar (no doubt fapped) none of us was traumatized by, just weirded out by - and in the third case my mom got a call from an anonymous adult associated with my upbringing who asked her permission to make a move on me. She said basically fuck no, obviously, then told me what happened and I was like "Mom wtf! Can I make my own decisions?" and she was like "fuck no you can't." which probably was for the best :rotfl:

I have thought about that latter situation several times while high, in meditation, and I am fairly sure it was one particular pastor of my local catholic church, all factors being as they are. (stereotypical, I know)


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Re: The YouTube version of To Catch a Predator [Re: Asante]
    #26911704 - 09/01/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Mom and older (3 years) brother in the house at that time. Grew up fatherless mostly. Mom would never have believed him, lol! She sort of sheltered us as much as she could, which wasn't much since she worked 3 jobs. I asked her if she would hate me for being gay when I was 17- or 19yo, she said no and I never brought it up again. The feelings were VERY strong and I was confused about it being a victim of molestation and I struggled for many years with it. I finally read enough psych books to know it was inevitable with me. I never acted on it until I was 25-26yo. I got molested too when I was around 6-8yo by the babysitters son and he was about 15 or so. I have posted many times my times when I was growing up. Let's say it was less than idyllic. I like to say eclectic.


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