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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692094 - 05/17/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

you see we have muscles to help us move our arm
how would you move a wheel through this?
you realize what you just explained makes no sense, right?


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692099 - 05/17/04 03:57 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, chill out.
I am a veritable chill factory.

I'm not trying to trick people into believing something false here, there's no point at all in that.
When did I mention deceipt or trickery? Did you hallucinate that non-existent part of my post?

I'm sorry but it's not worth the money to fly over to a strangers house to show them how I can spin a wheel.
I understand. No one here has any need of $20,000.

Of course, you'll follow up saying this is another excuse, but comeone now... who the fuck actually would.
Someone that could actually do it. Simple.

If you, or someone else would be willing to come here to see me do it then fine, I have no problem with that. PM if you're interested.
What state are you in? I am sure that we could get a couple of skeptics and believers to witness this miracle that would totally reshape modern physics and would only be the discovery of the millenium.

Or if you put in an equally large sum in escrow, I will personally come out with my entourage.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2692147 - 05/17/04 04:10 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I live in Ontario, Canada. And I don't trust you would repay my flight there, let alone 20,000 dollars. Anyways, if you want to see proof that it exists, then come here.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692151 - 05/17/04 04:12 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

To spud:

Yes but how do we move our muscles to move objects? I know that it works through neurotransmitters and whatnot, but then how do we trigger that? If you break it down far enough, our consciousness alters the energy of atomic structures.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692175 - 05/17/04 04:18 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm, let's do the math.

You risk $400 to come to the most fun city on the planet (no other reason to come here except to say Hi to the Swam) with a chance to garner $20,000 (500 to 1 ratio) and more importantly, to finally put the shroomery's resident loudmouth skeptic permanently in his place.

or

I can risk $400 to go to Boondocks, Ontario with a chance to watch someone blow a pinwheel with zero possible reward. "No, no wait! I really DID do it last week. Guess I need to be tripping and I am out of shrooms right now..."

Sounds equitable.  :rolleyes:


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692176 - 05/17/04 04:18 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

deff said:
To spud:

Yes but how do we move our muscles to move objects? I know that it works through neurotransmitters and whatnot, but then how do we trigger that? If you break it down far enough, our consciousness alters the energy of atomic structures.



you seriously need to take a class in human physiology


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692200 - 05/17/04 04:24 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

And I don't trust you would repay my flight there, let alone 20,000 dollars.

Guess you overlooked or don't understand what an escrow is. We can get frog to draw up the legal documents.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: spud]
    #2692251 - 05/17/04 04:36 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

deff, can you make a video well rounded enough to convince people of your abilities?  :grin:


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: kaiowas]
    #2692345 - 05/17/04 05:07 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, first off I'm unaware of where you live swami. Secondly, yes I admit I'm unaware of what an escrow is, I'm not very legally informed :smile:. Third, I find it very hard to believe you would be willing to pay out $20,000, no matter how skeptical you really are. And finally, I didn't say I could only do it on mushrooms, but rather that it was easier (took no mental preparation).

To spud, yes I'm not too educated on physiology, but you missed my point entirely. I'm saying that for us to move anything, including the cells in our body, some form of mental energy manipulation is required. I know we have nerves that allow us to move our muscles, and chemical reactions stimulate these nervous systems within our brain, but you have to ask yourself- what initiates this movement of energy? It's the same with telekinesis.

kaiowas- no digital camera or anything, but maybe I'll pick up a cheap webcam in my travels to demonstrate it. But I'm telling you right now that it will not be enough proof for most people, and understandably. Telekinesis goes against people's own logic and therefore it is very hard to believe without doing it or seeing it done in person.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692368 - 05/17/04 05:13 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Deff: Why won't I fly to vegas for money?

Deff: Ok, first off I'm unaware of where you live swami.

I sincerely hope that your short-term memory loss is not drug-related.

Secondly, yes I admit I'm unaware of what an escrow is, I'm not very legally informed.
www.dictionary.com

Third, I find it very hard to believe you would be willing to pay out $20,000, no matter how skeptical you really are.
That is a very skeptical stance.

And finally, I didn't say I could only do it on mushrooms, but rather that it was easier (took no mental preparation).
Easier because everything already seems to be moving and morphing.

I know we have nerves that allow us to move our muscles, and chemical reactions stimulate these nervous systems within our brain, but you have to ask yourself- what initiates this movement of energy? It's the same with telekinesis.
One cannot compare a closed-loop system where all the parts are in contact with an open system where there is no physical contact.

Telekinesis goes against people's own logic and therefore it is very hard to believe without doing it or seeing it done in person.
It is not the "hardness of believing" that is the problem. It is the fact that none of the thousands of claimants can demonstrate it to any scientific group.


Edited by Swami (05/17/04 05:19 PM)


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692404 - 05/17/04 05:21 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Just curious: Does your telekinesis extend to larger objects as well? Is there a limit to how far away something can be for you to move it? Could you, for example, move a pen on my desk?


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692414 - 05/17/04 05:22 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

"kaiowas- no digital camera or anything, but maybe I'll pick up a cheap webcam in my travels to demonstrate it. But I'm telling you right now that it will not be enough proof for most people, and understandably. Telekinesis goes against people's own logic and therefore it is very hard to believe without doing it or seeing it done in person."

that's cool...do what you need to do, just know that swami is just doing his part...and appreciation for this shouldn't go unnoticed.  you have to admit he brings up valid points, not to say that I dont think it's possible, but he's been doing these challenges since I have been reading this board (for 3 years now) and have yet to see anyone prove him wrong.  whether or not I agree with how he goes about criticing, but that's a different issue :grin:  if you can do that I would be fascinated at taking a look. :smile:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: silversoul7]
    #2692442 - 05/17/04 05:28 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

First off you need something to catch small air currents LIKE A PINWHEEL. A pen would take a 25+ mph wind to get it rolling depending on friction and size. Then you need to be close enough to breathe on it with a gale-like force instead of a 2-3mph zephyr...

This TK/PK thread comes up once a month with a new batch of wild-eyed innocents having made a major discovery :rolleyes:, but they never ask why the object to be moved must BE A PINWHEEL.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2692451 - 05/17/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's more skeptical to not believe that it telekinesis can be real, than someone willing to pay 20 freaking grand to watch some guy spin a wheel to satisfy his own skepticism. As far as the vegas thing, yeah I wasn't thinking, And no, on mylast mushroom trip (only 3 grams) there was no morphing of objects, only minor visual distorions but nothing close to that. As far as the Vegas thing, I forgot, or rather didn't make the connection for you mentioned flying to your city after the Vegas post and for some reason I did not clue in :laugh:. Not drug related... I don't do many drugs.

As for the studies, I agree there isn't enough research into this field. A lot of TKers have learned semi-recently that this ability even exists, thanks to the internet and many psionic groups. I would be willing to submit to a scientific study if one such study exists.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692472 - 05/17/04 05:35 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

The pinwheel is easy because yes, it takes little force to move. While I know this can be counterproductive in prooving it, as wind itself can have a greater affect, it is also easier for whatever reason telekinesis is possible (elctromagnetism, though energy?). I can move it under a glass (much slower though) if you would like proof against wind currents. Plus, the rate at which it spins, for minutes at a time in one direction, in a completely still room where it was previously not spinning at all until I try, should be evidence enough if you see it. I'm not trying to say I made a huge discovery either, I asked if anyone else here practices it and I'm surprised no one does. This seems like a place that would have many people interested in psionics.

To ss7- distance does make a difference, but a minimal one. I can spin the wheel from accross my room, but I've never tried anything as ambitious as accross the continent. Oh, and I've yet to roll a pin, just spin paper and aluminum wheels, as well as coffee lids and other crap.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692489 - 05/17/04 05:41 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

from a similar thread posted by pattern 12/03:

Oh my god!!! I'm telekenetic. I just put a piece of paper on a nail and as soon as I cupped my hands around it it started spinning. I didn't even try or anything. The hardest part by far was balancing the paper on the nail.


Repeat the experiment with a dime or quarter (high coefficient of drag, minimal surface for air currents to catch on) and report back. And it doesn't even have to be under glass. (Boy, am I feeling magnaminous today!)

Do it now!


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2692507 - 05/17/04 05:47 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, like I said- it is much harder to move larger objects, which is why people start with psiwheels. I can do it under a glass, or from accross the room, so I know it's not wind or convection currents from my body heat. And no, I cannot move dimes or quarters, I'm not nearly that good.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692551 - 05/17/04 05:58 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

deff said:
I live in Ontario, Canada. And I don't trust you would repay my flight there, let alone 20,000 dollars. Anyways, if you want to see proof that it exists, then come here.




Whereabouts do you live in Ontario? I got a camera I could probably tape something with.


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Re: One reason everybody should eat magic mushrooms [Re: deff]
    #2692563 - 05/17/04 06:00 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, like I said- it is much harder to move larger objects

So conversely, it should be much easier to move smaller objects.

A grain of salt has much less mass than a pinwheel. Try it with that and come back and tell us why it fails until we run out of excuses and this thread can die and we can go back to our normally scheduled program.  :stoned:


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    #2692646 - 05/17/04 06:24 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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