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Wouldn't it be great if California went red? 1
#26911125 - 09/01/20 02:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-many-new-california-laws-taking-effect-in-2020/ The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: Many New California Laws Taking Effect in 2020
Don’t get caught flatfooted on employment rules, gun control, or medical exemptions.
Expanded Medical Coverage for Illegal Immigrants
California became the first state to provide taxpayer-funded health coverage to adult illegal aliens, just ahead of a federal appeals court in New Orleans striking down a significant portion of the Affordable Care Act .
The appeals court agreed with a lower-court judge that the portion of the Affordable Care Act requiring people to purchase coverage is unconstitutional now that Congress has eliminated the tax penalty that was intended to enforce it.
Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill into law allowing illegal aliens between the ages of 19 and 25 coverage under Medi-Cal, California’s health insurance program for the poor, disabled, and now for those living in the country and state illegally, beginning Jan. 1.
Despite that 93 percent of Californians have health insurance, the California Legislature approved the tax to California citizens who do not buy health insurance, creating an “Individual Mandate” to require Californians to purchase health insurance, and imposes a fine for failure to do so.
The appeals court sent the case back to the lower court to decide how much of the rest of the law can stand in light of the ruling striking the tax penalty.
GREAT, A CONTINUATION OF OBAMAS CORPORATE SCAM THAT FORCES YOU TO BUY GARBAGE INSURANCE THAT DOESNT COVER ANYTHING.
STEALING MONEY FROM POOR PEOPLE IS SO EASY ISNT IT
The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear Martin vs. City of Boise on Monday, reducing the power that police in cities such as Los Angeles and San Francisco have in stopping homeless people from staying in public areas
GREAT, THERE ARE ALREADY TWACKED OUT PSYCHOS ON EVERY CORNER DOWNTOWN FLAILING EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY. IF YOU WALK 2 BLOCKS FROM THE CAPITOL ALL THE SIDEWALKS ARE COVERED WITH MYSTERIOUS STAINS AND HUMAN WASTE.
On Jan. 1, California moves yet again closer toward the end goal of a $15-an-hour minimum wage.
The minimum wage will increase to $13 an hour for larger employers with more than 26 employees, and $12 an hour for employers with fewer than 26 employees.
As the chart shows, the annual minimum wage increases until 2023, when the $15 an hour takes effect.
Some cities already have a $15-an-hour minimum wage, and are feeling the effects sooner than the rest of the state with many small business closures.
A recent University of California Riverside study found that California’s minimum wage increases have contributed to many restaurant closures. Economists at Harvard Business School and Mathematica Policy Research found that a one-dollar increase in the minimum wage led to a 10 percent increase in the likelihood of restaurant closures for a median 3.5-star restaurant and a four to six percent reduction in the likelihood of restaurants entering the market to begin with, according to the Employment Policies Institute Minimum Wage project.
IM ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS.. YES CALIFORNIA IS EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN, BUT ITS ONLY BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH RED TAPE ON BUILDING HOUSING, MANY PEOPLE JUST DON'T BOTHER.
AT THE SAME TIME IT FORCES EVERY BUSINESS IN THE STATE TO PAY EVEN THEIR DIPSHIT NOSE PICKER EMPLOYEES 15/HR WHICH WILL UNDOUBTEDLY HURT THEIR BUSINESS AND MAKE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY GOOD AT THEIR JOBS WANT MORE.
THIS IS THE TYPE OF BUREAUCRACY THAT MAKES POPULIST FIGURES LIKE TRUMP SO POPULAR.
IF THE WEATHER AND LAND IN CALIFORNIA WASNT SO NICE YOUD BE SEEING WHATS HAPPENING IN NY STATE. MORE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING NY STATE THAN ANY OTHER.
FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT NY AND CA HAVE ALMOST CONGRUENT STATE LAWS. NY STATE SIMPLY PUT IS ICEY LIVING HELL FROM JANUARY-MARCH.
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What are you talking about? No counter argument? Just personal attacks?
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
#26911173 - 09/01/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope you don't see it as an attack. Are your parents around to help you get some counseling, or maybe a friend or other family member?
You can also just try an ER, they can usually make a referral to mental health services as well.
Hope you get some help!
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Still no counter argument...... Do you have one? I love debating liberals, when they cannot defend their beliefs they instantly move to personally attacking you.
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Crickets*
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.................... put up or shut up.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle] 3
#26911244 - 09/01/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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A lot of states were already offering public healthcare to illegal women and children.
Illegals are an important part of the labor force in California. That's my two cents.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle] 1
#26911247 - 09/01/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Buckomcdoogle said: Still no counter argument...... Do you have one? I love debating liberals, when they cannot defend their beliefs they instantly move to personally attacking you.
Do you notice there how you overlayed your impression of someone else's mindset over the facts of the matter? That's a diagnostic criteria for personality disorder, it's referred to as "mind reading" and is a strong psychological trigger for people who engage in delusional fantasy behavior.
Do you have someone you trust who you can talk to about your mental health? Is there a resource you're aware of nearby that can help you stabilize?
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So you are still saying you still have no counter argument....
"Do you have someone you trust who you can talk to about your mental health? Is there a resource you're aware of nearby that can help you stabilize?"
You already said that....
Put up or shut up.....
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Since we are repeating things we already said ill join in too.
Quit projecting your insecurities on other people, its really so blatantly obvious at this point.
The Problem With Projection
This element of psychology may appear to be effective in defending our minds against pain, but there are two fundamental problems that run counter to this argument.
The first is that projection makes us feel superior to everyone else because it allows us to overlook our own faults and inadequacies while simultaneously honing in on what we perceive to be imperfect in others.
The second issue with projection as a defense mechanism is that it fails to address the underlying feelings themselves. As long as we continue to deny the existence of these feelings, there is no mechanism that can help us to tackle and overcome them.
"...........George.......... I WIN..........."
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
#26911268 - 09/01/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Buckomcdoogle said: Still no counter argument...... Do you have one? I love debating liberals, when they cannot defend their beliefs they instantly move to personally attacking you.
Do you notice there how you overlayed your impression of someone else's mindset over the facts of the matter? That's a diagnostic criteria for personality disorder, it's referred to as "mind reading" and is a strong psychological trigger for people who engage in delusional fantasy behavior.
Do you have someone you trust who you can talk to about your mental health? Is there a resource you're aware of nearby that can help you stabilize?
I'm not seeing the psychosis here.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26911361 - 09/01/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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All caps screaming posts about people this person hasn't met and likely will never meet inferring nefarious motives and making dozens of posts hourly on a mushroom cultivation forum.
Is that a healthy, flourishing person or someone who needs some help?
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I'm having Dejavu, here.
Buckomcdoogle, welcome to the club.
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Capsicum Chinense said: It's really obvious how much of your primary and secondary education you missed out on.
It's a real shame, this is the consequence of a mind allowed to fester instead of flourish.
Sorry to hear about your troubles...
Dude, address the topic on hand if you're capable or exit the thread.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Brian Jones] 3
#26911407 - 09/01/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: A lot of states were already offering public healthcare to illegal women and children.
Illegals are an important part of the labor force in California. That's my two cents.
That's hardly the point here, IF they're so important, why doesn't their potential employer pay for their health care?
Either way, illegals should NOT be in the US health care system with taxpayers footing the bill as tens of millions of US citizens having no access to health care.
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Capsicum Chinense said: It's really obvious how much of your primary and secondary education you missed out on.
It's a real shame, this is the consequence of a mind allowed to fester instead of flourish.
Sorry to hear about your troubles...
Dude, address the topic on hand if you're capable or exit the thread. 
It's not hard to guess what side of the political spectrum this person is on. Seriously, 99% of the time if you guess, you'll be correct. A certain someone did the same thing to me in the first reply in my terrorist thread when I first showed up, literally the exact same thing. (And others followed suit.)
This is of course one of the many reasons I am disgusted with the left and their allies right now.
Though I gotta give people like Capsicum Chinense credit. It's people just like him and Ballsalsa that have created a fresh new group of Trump supporters.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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Lol. Very original and insightful take. The old "you called me deplorable so now I have no choice but to become deplorable" argument.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
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It's not an argument, it's what happened. You can make a case for whether or not it's moral, but that's what happened.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
#26911635 - 09/01/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Makes sense. When people accuse me of bad things, I always make sure to prove them right. There is no other option, really
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
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GREAT, THERE ARE ALREADY TWACKED OUT PSYCHOS ON EVERY CORNER DOWNTOWN FLAILING EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY. IF YOU WALK 2 BLOCKS FROM THE CAPITOL ALL THE SIDEWALKS ARE COVERED WITH MYSTERIOUS STAINS AND HUMAN WASTE
CA used to lock up non violent drug offenders that piss and shit in the street . But they had a serious prison overcrowding problem so they stopped on 2014 , Which do you prefer? Drug addicts in prison or on the sidewalks ? Never heard the word Twacked before .
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IM ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS.. YES CALIFORNIA IS EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN, BUT ITS ONLY BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH RED TAPE ON BUILDING HOUSING, MANY PEOPLE JUST DON'T BOTHER.
That’s not true , they build track homes like crazy here . I spent 3 years working on them , the pace is insane And they all cost a mil or more . CA is very cRowded , allot of people have money there is no cheap land to build cheap houses on . It’s that simple , too much competition. There’s no red tape conspiracy , building codes are strict because we have bad earthquakes .
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Psilynut2]
#26911643 - 09/01/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's a freeway overpass collapse or 2 between friends?
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26911649 - 09/01/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tried to buy a house back when the COVID thing first hit , I thought that would reduce competition and maybe I could get it below asking but no , the 900k house I wanted still sold above asking . Too many people with money in Cali .
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
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ballsalsa said: Makes sense. When people accuse me of bad things, I always make sure to prove them right. There is no other option, really
It's far more complex than that in the minds of the newest Trump supporters, but if you have to reduce it that in order to justify your worldview, color me surprised. /sarcasm
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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Though I gotta give people like Capsicum Chinense credit. It's people just like him and Ballsalsa that have created a fresh new group of Trump supporters.
Are really suggesting simply saying mean things to trump supporters will cause other people to be offended and vote for Trump ? That doesn’t sound logical at all .
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Psilynut2] 1
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Though I gotta give people like Capsicum Chinense credit. It's people just like him and Ballsalsa that have created a fresh new group of Trump supporters.
Are really suggesting simply saying mean things to trump supporters will cause other people to be offended and vote for Trump ? That doesn’t sound logical at all .
No. The left says mean things to fence sitters and people with nuanced opinions and then they BECOME Trump supporters simply because they don't want anything to do with the political party that completely misjudged them as a person. I will point you back to Ballsalsa's initial reply to me in the terrorist thread. I never said I was a right winger. I'm not a right winger. You've seen my political compass test and others know it now, too... yet Ballsalsa not only called me right-wing, but a, "far right extremist" and also inadvertently insulted me simply for my opinion rather than discussing the idea. This happens ALL THE TIME with people that aren't really on the left or right. The far-left doesn't tolerate anything that isn't far-left. It's all extreme to them. (It's sad, really.)
This ironically makes them the extreme ones.
When this happens enough times and comes primarily from only one political party and not the other, people (naturally) get fed up and it suggests to them that the ideology that the left has adopted is CREATING this kind of visceral response to even fence sitters, and then those fence sitters want nothing to do with it.
Most are actually shocked to find that MAGA hats treat them more like human beings than the party that CLAIMS the more altruistic platform.
So basically, people like Ballsalsa, Koods and Capsicum Chinense have all helped Trump win 2020.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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I’ll be totally honest that sounds fucking crazy . The reason people are so mean is because allot of not most of trump supporters claims aren’t grounded in reality . Look at the the op in this thread , complete ignorance and false assertions about California .
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I’ll be totally honest that sounds fucking crazy
Well, it's happened to millions in this country already, so best buckle up, buckaroo.
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The reason people are so mean is because allot of not most of trump supporters claims aren’t grounded in reality
You're only proving my point by saying this. There's a whole slew of Americans that prefer to be more moral than this and don't want to be apart of an ideology that justifies being mean to someone else because of their ideas, EVEN if they think those ideas are wrong. Typically, when you give power to people who are already mean to others because of their ideas, they become fascist dictators.
Hence the irony of Antifa and similar ideologies being called fascists.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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Source or make-believe?
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
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You're only proving my point by saying this. There's a whole slew of Americans that prefer to be more moral than this and don't want to be apart of an ideology that justifies being mean to someone else because of their ideas, EVEN if they think those ideas are wrong. Typically, when you give power to people who are already mean to others because of their ideas, they become fascist dictators.
Being mean isn’t part of any political ideology that I’m aware of . I’m mean because I’m a prick and I don’t give a fuck about how people feel about it . The right has never been nice to the left . It’s a nonstop gay hating , Jew hating , people of color hating , woman hating fucking shit show .
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Psilynut2]
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I think leftists think about people on the right being bigots 100 times more than people on the right are actually bigots.
I have a lot of conservative friends, some of them gay, some of them black, some of them women. I've never heard anyone I know insult a Jew. Ever. (Except Ben Shapiro of course. Even people who like the guy make fun of him.)
I think the fringe that is being represented on social media is messing with the actual picture of conservatives. And remember, I say that not being one. They're just SO MUCH nicer to people who want to challenge their ideas. 
EDIT: I will add of course that this didn't used to be the case. The conservative party USED to be the party of fundamentalist zealotry that was just as quick to accuse their opposition of evil, but instead of "racist/bigot/sexist" it was, "servants of satan" or, "satan has him." In the late 2000's I was very comfortable on the left, away from the last few years that bullshit had any real power in our nation.
Different pile of shit, same smell. Fortunately, modern day younger conservatives have mellowed the fuck out with pushing religion down others' throats and even many members of the older conservative generations as they get older are starting to get with the times and it's made all the difference for the party. (Also, atheist conservatism and "spiritual but not religious" conservatism is likely at a record high.)
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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NPR interviewed a bunch of trump supporters in Wisconsin today. A lot of them called trump immoral And incompetent and won’t be voting for him again.
Trump has lost a lot more voters than he’s gained
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: koods]
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koods said: NPR interviewed a bunch of trump supporters in Wisconsin today. A lot of them called trump immoral And incompetent and won’t be voting for him again.
Trump has lost a lot more voters than he’s gained
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Psilynut2]
#26911935 - 09/01/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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"That’s not true , they build track homes like crazy here . I spent 3 years working on them , the pace is insane And they all cost a mil or more . CA is very cRowded , allot of people have money there is no cheap land to build cheap houses on . It’s that simple , too much competition. There’s no red tape conspiracy , building codes are strict because we have bad earthquakes"
Some good points. A big part of it comes down to it being a cultural thing. What is the difference between most east and west coast cities?
High rises and sky scrapers are much more common in the east coast, people are way more used to living crammed together.
I was talking to this guy that works down at the capitol recently.
He was saying the big problem with building those kind of structures here is people just arent accustomed to it. It ends up turning into a legal battle with all the neighbors.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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You'll have your evidence in two months.
I was asking for a source for the things you allege that I said
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I think leftists think about people on the right being bigots 100 times more than people on the right are actually bigots.
I have a lot of conservative friends, some of them gay, some of them black, some of them women. I've never heard anyone I know insult a Jew. Ever. (Except Ben Shapiro of course. Even people who like the guy make fun of him.)
I think the fringe that is being represented on social media is messing with the actual picture of conservatives. And remember, I say that not being one. They're just SO MUCH nicer to people who want to challenge their ideas. 
Ok that’s cool , I’m not going to be nice if you say something twacked though . You should watch this video . It says allot about how this conversation makes me feel . My feelings matter too .
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Psilynut2]
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"CA used to lock up non violent drug offenders that piss and shit in the street . But they had a serious prison overcrowding problem so they stopped on 2014 , Which do you prefer? Drug addicts in prison or on the sidewalks ? Never heard the word Twacked before ."
Thinking about it though, many of these people that are constantly getting locked up and end up in the few blocks around the county jail are seriously mentally ill.
If only we as a society had a way of dealing with the mentally ill without locking them up repeatedly.
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twacked A state of mind in which methamphetamine intake has occurred to beyond the point of tweaking. I was so fucking twacked. by Richard Deep February 26, 2003
twacked a paranoid,schizophrenic,delusional state of mind JP is completely twacked out of his mind. by Shelli-alleyezonme.net April 28, 2003
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Thank Reagan
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: Source or make-believe?
You'll have your evidence in two months.
I was asking for a source for the things you allege that I said
You want me to copy-paste here your first reply to me in the terrorist thread? It's there for anyone to see if they care.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
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Buckomcdoogle said: which do you prefer? Drug addicts in prison or on the sidewalks ?
I say neither, but I'll take the sidewalk over prison unless they are breaking other laws.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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Exactly. Like if they are violent criminals, for example.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
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"Thank Reagan"
Yup
Rust in piss
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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ballsalsa said: Source or make-believe?
You'll have your evidence in two months.
I was asking for a source for the things you allege that I said
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ballsalsa said: Source or make-believe?
You'll have your evidence in two months.
I was asking for a source for the things you allege that I said
You want me to copy-paste here your first reply to me in the terrorist thread? It's there for anyone to see if they care.
I want you to quote the specific language in that post that you accused me of when you said:
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yet Ballsalsa not only called me right-wing, but a, "far right extremist" and also inadvertently insulted me
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26912539 - 09/01/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, not gonna do that. It's there for everyone to see.
EDIT: You could, instead, quote yourself and tell me how it's NOT as I explained. (Good luck with that.)
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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Why would California go red? It's one of the top ten biggest economies in the world. Alabama has a level of poverty that is "shocking" to the UN.
Why would anyone want to turn their home into a shithole on par with the worst of the third world willingly?
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Kryptos]
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Texas was a largely blue state in the early 70's...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas
Daddy Bush lost his senate race in 1970 to a democrat.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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Vahn421 said: No, not gonna do that. It's there for everyone to see.
EDIT: You could, instead, quote yourself and tell me how it's NOT as I explained. (Good luck with that.)
Ok.
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Hypothetically, the result of Antifa having all the power right now would mean an immediate return to a caste system with black people at the very top and white people at the very bottom. The sins of the fathers would be heaped on the heads of the sons and we'd likely see executions in the street. We'd look like Venezuela in 6 months. That power is unbridled, unchecked, and ironically completely fascist and racist. (All the things they claim to hate.)

The pants-wetting by far-right extremists over these protests gets more hilarious by the day. Imagine building this world inside your head and then living in it 24/7. I guess when one is an authoritarian POS, it's easy to imagine that everyone else is equally depraved.
I don't see an insult here. I also don't see where I referred to you as a right wing extremist. Could you point it out please?
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Kryptos]
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Why would anyone want to turn their home into a shithole on par with the worst of the third world willingly?
Like California already doesn't have record poverty and third world living conditions.
https://www.record-bee.com/2019/09/17/california-no-1-in-u-s-in-poverty-and-no-1-in-declines-in-poverty/
Poverty is way above the average in the US. The wealth in California is concentrated and then if falls off a cliff.
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qman said: Like California already doesn't have record poverty and third world living conditions.
https://www.record-bee.com/2019/09/17/california-no-1-in-u-s-in-poverty-and-no-1-in-declines-in-poverty/
Poverty is way above the average in the US. The wealth in California is concentrated and then if falls off a cliff.
That uses the "supplemental" poverty benchmark. Maybe you forgot where I explained that to you here:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: ...the problem with the supplemental poverty measure is that it says ANYONE living in California making less than $30,000/year is considered to be living in poverty no matter where in California they live. But the cost of living in the Central Valley and the more Northern parts of California is MUCH lower than it is elsewhere, and people making $30,000/year there aren't even close to living in poverty, yet they get counted that way because of the way the supplemental poverty measure works. Don't be fooled.
and again here.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Vahn421 said: No, not gonna do that. It's there for everyone to see.
EDIT: You could, instead, quote yourself and tell me how it's NOT as I explained. (Good luck with that.)
Ok.
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Hypothetically, the result of Antifa having all the power right now would mean an immediate return to a caste system with black people at the very top and white people at the very bottom. The sins of the fathers would be heaped on the heads of the sons and we'd likely see executions in the street. We'd look like Venezuela in 6 months. That power is unbridled, unchecked, and ironically completely fascist and racist. (All the things they claim to hate.)

The pants-wetting by far-right extremists over these protests gets more hilarious by the day. Imagine building this world inside your head and then living in it 24/7. I guess when one is an authoritarian POS, it's easy to imagine that everyone else is equally depraved.
I don't see an insult here. I also don't see where I referred to you as a right wing extremist. Could you point it out please?
How dishonest of you to pretend you didn't have me in mind as you wrote that down.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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I'm glad we could clear that up. Any other lies you wanna tell about me today?
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Dude, not owning the fact that you were insulting me looks really, really bad. You should just own it and stop hiding behind this bullshit that just because you said it in a clever passive way, it wasn't about me.
It's even more pathetic, actually, because you're a fucking mod.
But honestly, this lame-ass doubling down on your part is doing a great job illustrating my point about actual *moral* fence sitters and unaffiliateds coming to realize they want nothing to do with this kind of bullshit you're projecting.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: qman]
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Buckomcdoogle said: Texas was a largely blue state in the early 70's...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas
Daddy Bush lost his senate race in 1970 to a democrat.
Yeah, and it's a smaller economy than California.
Oops. Looks like the republicans took over and shit in everyone's beds again! Typical republicans.
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Why would anyone want to turn their home into a shithole on par with the worst of the third world willingly?
Like California already doesn't have record poverty and third world living conditions.
https://www.record-bee.com/2019/09/17/california-no-1-in-u-s-in-poverty-and-no-1-in-declines-in-poverty/
Poverty is way above the average in the US. The wealth in California is concentrated and then if falls off a cliff.
A solid chunk of Alabama shits in the drainage ditches by their yards.
California poverty, people can't afford yards. That's bad, yes, but still miles above literally open air sewage, and people piping literal shit into ditches by their houses because they can;t even afford a septic tank. That's some Indian ghetto shit. Literally.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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I laughed at your silly post and said some things about far-right, authoritarian, pieces of shit. If you relate to that, that's on you, bruh. I really had no way to know if you were serious about that nonsense at the time. It is entirely possible that I was laughing with you at your satirical post. You chose to take it as an insult and that says more about you than anything I posted.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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qman said: Like California already doesn't have record poverty and third world living conditions.
https://www.record-bee.com/2019/09/17/california-no-1-in-u-s-in-poverty-and-no-1-in-declines-in-poverty/
Poverty is way above the average in the US. The wealth in California is concentrated and then if falls off a cliff.
That uses the "supplemental" poverty benchmark. Maybe you forgot where I explained that to you here:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: ...the problem with the supplemental poverty measure is that it says ANYONE living in California making less than $30,000/year is considered to be living in poverty no matter where in California they live. But the cost of living in the Central Valley and the more Northern parts of California is MUCH lower than it is elsewhere, and people making $30,000/year there aren't even close to living in poverty, yet they get counted that way because of the way the supplemental poverty measure works. Don't be fooled.
and again here. 
What's the appropriate benchmark in your opinion? I understand that cost of housing is one serious consideration, but so is insurance, energy prices, taxes and other factors.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: qman]
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My benchmark is "access to basic sewage", which is literally the most basic need for humans in high density civilization. There is a direct correlation between sewage technology and population density dating back to Roman Republic times.
People can deal with a lot of stuff. Air pollution, food logistics, that's something we can deal with next year. Shit is something that we deal with RIGHT NOW, or we all die of cholera.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
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It does please me to know you no *longer* look at me that way, but you're still not being honest with yourself or honest with me about your visceral reaction to my post.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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Only one person in this exchange has demonstrably lied. Maybe don't throw honesty stones when you live in a glass house of lies?
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Only one person in this exchange has demonstrably lied. Maybe don't throw honesty stones when you live in a glass house of lies?
Note you clever and deceptive use of the word, "demonstrably." You know the truth in your heart, which is what makes it all the more despicable that you play this denial game. Your soul can't hide from the truth of it, no matter how many times you call ME the liar. You're doing this to yourself, my karma is clean.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
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Kryptos said: Why would California go red? It's one of the top ten biggest economies in the world. Alabama has a level of poverty that is "shocking" to the UN.
Why would anyone want to turn their home into a shithole on par with the worst of the third world willingly?
Like California already doesn't have record poverty and third world living conditions.
https://www.record-bee.com/2019/09/17/california-no-1-in-u-s-in-poverty-and-no-1-in-declines-in-poverty/
Poverty is way above the average in the US. The wealth in California is concentrated and then if falls off a cliff.
It depends how you draw the lines. California has a lot of poor, and they have very rich people, but they also have the country's biggest middle class.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Brian Jones]
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It was originally a Republic.
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It was Mexico before that.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: KOLOME]
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No it wasn’t. The California republic was a stunt. A small area of California declared independence from Mexico and was almost immediately invaded by the US. California has never been an independent nation.
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This is also the problem with a California secession movement. It would be a much better place than the US, for about two years, until the rest of the US realized they need their welfare payments and bombed California back into the stone age.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Kryptos]
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Texas and Alaska are the only states in their entire union that could survive on their own.
What would California do about being on fire half the year and running out of water without federal funding?
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California receives $12 per resident in federal aid and spending.
Alaska receives over $7000
Alaska is the fifth most federally dependent state in the country per capita. California is the 40th.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: koods]
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Nine states receive less money from the feds than is sent to the fedsNew Jersey (-$2,368)
New Jersey (-$2,368) Massachusetts (-$2,343) New York (-$1,792) North Dakota (-$720) Illinois (-$364) New Hampshire (-$234) Washington (-$184) Nebraska (-$164) Colorado (-$95)
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: koods]
#26919663 - 09/05/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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California receives $12 per resident in federal aid and spending.
Alaska receives over $7000
People in the military get bonuses for volunteering to be stationed there.
Its partly a geopolitical thing with Russia.
The government gets all that money back and then some from the enormous amount of largely untapped resources.
Timber Oil Gold Seafood
The government gets a piece of all of that.
Alaska is also about 4x the size of california. Alaska · Population
737,438 (2018)
California · Population
39.56 million (2018)
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
#26919685 - 09/05/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No it wouldn't be great I'd hate to live in a red state right noe. I know Gavin Newsom is a twat but I was happy when ewe took action to shutdown certain places at certain times. Locally we have a little less then 10k deaths total and in big part it's because there's a lot of dems wearing masks. Keep your red states I don't want them.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
#26919714 - 09/05/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Buckomcdoogle said: People in the military get bonuses for volunteering to be stationed there.
Of course. It sucks there. They probably get bonuses for volunteering to be in Alabama or Kentucky as well.
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"I know Gavin Newsom is a twat"
That we can agree on, any time he's on tv he looks like hes been up doing coke all night.
I think one of the most ironic laws in California is prop 65
There are cancer warning labels on houses, bags of bread and cans of coffee.
Yet recently a California court struck down this thing that would force Bayer to label Roundup (Glyphosate) carcinogenic.
That's the type of shit im talking about.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
#26922730 - 09/07/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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California is dying a slow death
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Mach z 800]
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California is the 6th largest economy in the world.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: christopera] 1
#26922836 - 09/07/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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People believe whatever they want to believe. California could secede, become the worlds largest economy and invade/conquer all the way to the rockies. Some dipshit in oklahoma would still be on the internet posting shit like "California is dying a slow death"
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26922947 - 09/07/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/02/opinion/life-expectancy-united-states.html
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“E pluribus unum” — out of many, one — is one of America’s traditional mottos. And you might think it would be reflected in reality. We aren’t, after all, just united politically. We share a common language; the unrestricted movement of goods, services and people is guaranteed by the Constitution. Shouldn’t this lead to convergence in the way we live and think?
In fact, however, the past few decades have been marked by growing divergence among regions along several dimensions, all closely correlated. In particular, the political divide is also, increasingly, an economic divide. As The Times’s Tom Edsall put it in a recent article, “red and blue voters live in different economies.”
What Edsall didn’t point out is that red and blue voters don’t just live differently, they also die differently.
About the living part: Democratic-leaning areas used to look similar to Republican-leaning areas in terms of productivity, income and education. But they have been rapidly diverging, with blue areas getting more productive, richer and better educated. In the close presidential election of 2000, counties that supported Al Gore over George W. Bush accounted for only a little over half the nation’s economic output. In the close election of 2016, counties that supported Hillary Clinton accounted for 64 percent of output, almost twice the share of Trump country.
The thing is, the red-blue divide isn’t just about money. It’s also, increasingly, a matter of life and death.
Back in the Bush years I used to encounter people who insisted that the United States had the world’s longest life expectancy. They hadn’t looked at the data, they just assumed that America was No. 1 on everything. Even then it wasn’t true: U.S. life expectancy has been below that of other advanced countries for a long time.
The death gap has, however, widened considerably in recent years as a result of increased mortality among working-age Americans. This rise in mortality has, in turn, been largely a result of rising “deaths of despair”: drug overdoses, suicides and alcohol. And the rise in these deaths has led to declining overall life expectancy for the past few years.
What I haven’t seen emphasized is the divergence in life expectancy within the United States and its close correlation with political orientation. True, a recent Times article on the phenomenon noted that life expectancy in coastal metropolitan areas is still rising about as fast as life expectancy in other advanced countries. But the regional divide goes deeper than that.
A 2018 article in The Journal of the American Medical Association looked at changes in health and life expectancy in U.S. states between 1990 and 2016. The divergence among states is striking. And as I said, it’s closely correlated with political orientation.
I looked at states that voted for Donald Trump versus states that voted for Clinton in 2016, and calculated average life expectancy weighted by their 2016 population. In 1990, today’s red and blue states had almost the same life expectancy. Since then, however, life expectancy in Clinton states has risen more or less in line with other advanced countries, compared with almost no gain in Trump country. At this point, blue-state residents can expect to live more than four years longer than their red-state counterparts.
Is this all about deaths of despair in the eastern heartland? No. Consider our four most populous states. In 1990, Texas and Florida had higher life expectancy than New York and almost matched California; today, they’re far behind.
What explains the divergence? Public policy certainly plays some role, especially in recent years, as blue states expanded Medicaid and drastically reduced the number of uninsured, while most red states didn’t. The growing gap in educational levels has also surely played a role: Better-educated people tend to be healthier than the less educated.
Beyond that, there has been a striking divergence in behavior and lifestyle that must be affecting mortality. For example, the prevalence of obesity has soared all across America since 1990, but obesity rates are significantly higher in red states.
One thing that’s clear, however, is that the facts are utterly inconsistent with the conservative diagnosis of what ails America.
Conservative figures like William Barr, the attorney general, look at rising mortality in America and attribute it to the collapse of traditional values — a collapse they attribute, in turn, to the evil machinations of “militant secularists.” The secularist assault on traditional values, Barr claims, lies behind “soaring suicide rates,” rising violence and “a deadly drug epidemic.”
But European nations, which are far more secularist than we are, haven’t seen a comparable rise in deaths of despair and an American-style decline in life expectancy. And even within America these evils are concentrated in states that voted for Trump, and have largely bypassed the more secular blue states.
So something bad is definitely happening to American society. But the conservative diagnosis of that problem is wrong — dead wrong.
Life expectancy in blue states is higher than than in red states, with the biggest discrepancies being almost 7 years, between Mississippi and Hawaii.
Interestingly, this was not true in 1990, where life expectancy was pretty consistent across the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_life_expectancy
This list says it best. The entire bottom is populated by red state shitholes like Mississippi, Alabama, and Kentucky. The first blue state, counting from the bottom, is Michigan at #38. Michigan only turned blue two years ago, and the data is two years old.
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Seriously_trippin said: No it wouldn't be great I'd hate to live in a red state right noe. I know Gavin Newsom is a twat but I was happy when ewe took action to shutdown certain places at certain times. Locally we have a little less then 10k deaths total and in big part it's because there's a lot of dems wearing masks. Keep your red states I don't want them.
The state doesnt actually chqnge colors buddy. You wouldnt even notice.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Kryptos]
#26924056 - 09/08/20 03:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is almost certainly in part a cultural thing.
You think people who live in the appalacians eat vegan, bike everywhere, and avoid drinking keystone and smoking cigarettes?
The thing is..... even if democrats took over west virginia it would still be an appalacian shithole.
"Coal country"
When you are poor you dont give a shit.
All the wealth in regions like that is long gone.
It has more to do with money that it has to do with politics.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: meltdowner]
#26925139 - 09/08/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: No it wouldn't be great I'd hate to live in a red state right noe. I know Gavin Newsom is a twat but I was happy when ewe took action to shutdown certain places at certain times. Locally we have a little less then 10k deaths total and in big part it's because there's a lot of dems wearing masks. Keep your red states I don't want them.
The state doesnt actually chqnge colors buddy. You wouldnt even notice.
I don't want Republican sentiment here more then there is. It's pretty purple where I live and that's plenty republicans for us
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Yeah, purple is about the most republican I'd like in my area. One or two republicans is fine, but once you go past that, property values start dropping, life expectancy starts dropping, and there goes the neighborhood.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26925554 - 09/09/20 12:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Yeah, purple is about the most republican I'd like in my area. One or two republicans is fine, but once you go past that, property values start dropping, life expectancy starts dropping, and there goes the neighborhood.
Not exactly what I was saying but yeah half and half is best. You can hear both sides but overall in my area people aren't calling covid a hoax too terribly ,much except republicans but since there's just as many dems it's fine. As far as acceptance if your an atheist I don't want a red state, being open minded to psychedelics, not backwards on weed, things like that
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: meltdowner] 1
#26925769 - 09/09/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: No it wouldn't be great I'd hate to live in a red state right noe. I know Gavin Newsom is a twat but I was happy when ewe took action to shutdown certain places at certain times. Locally we have a little less then 10k deaths total and in big part it's because there's a lot of dems wearing masks. Keep your red states I don't want them.
The state doesnt actually chqnge colors buddy. You wouldnt even notice.
A state can change colors somewhat. Texas may go blue this year because the state has gotten much browner.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Mach z 800]
#26926824 - 09/09/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mach z 800 said:
California is dying a slow death
In CA, there is a push to legalize employment discrimination by repealing Proposition 209 which was passed in 1996. More and more, people are fighting to legalize employment discrimination. Shirley Weber can kiss my ass. These people have lost their fucking minds.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#26926853 - 09/09/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Didn't prop 187 pass around that time as well?
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#26927199 - 09/09/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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California is the best state in the nation by far.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Enlil]
#26927266 - 09/09/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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California had a massive budget surplus last year. Their budget surplus was larger than the entire budgets of a dozen states.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: koods]
#26927279 - 09/09/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe it's because the government is taxing the middle class out of existence?

12 - 22% at 40k?
That is fucked.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
#26927288 - 09/09/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Buckomcdoogle said: Maybe it's because the government is taxing the middle class out of existence?

12 - 22% at 40k?
That is fucked.
Nobody making 40K is paying 22% that chart literally tells you that
Somebody making $40,000 in California pays $3000 in taxes, or 7.5% based on the chart you posted
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#26927321 - 09/09/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mach z 800 said:
California is dying a slow death
In CA, there is a push to legalize employment discrimination by repealing Proposition 209 which was passed in 1996. More and more, people are fighting to legalize employment discrimination. Shirley Weber can kiss my ass. These people have lost their fucking minds.
Lol that’s a nice misrepresentation of prop 209.
Seriously, why can’t conservatives be honest when they debate?
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: koods] 1
#26927796 - 09/10/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because when conservative are honest, they start dropping n bombs.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Enlil]
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California is the best state in the nation by far.
Not right now , not during fire season . I haven’t seen the sun in about a month.
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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Psilynut2]
#26927891 - 09/10/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see it every day.
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