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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26912807 - 09/01/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Only one person in this exchange has demonstrably lied.  Maybe don't throw honesty stones when you live in a glass house of lies?




Note you clever and deceptive use of the word, "demonstrably." You know the truth in your heart, which is what makes it all the more despicable that you play this denial game. Your soul can't hide from the truth of it, no matter how many times you call ME the liar. You're doing this to yourself, my karma is clean.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26912812 - 09/01/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dunning-Kruger strikes again!


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: qman] * 2
    #26913252 - 09/02/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Why would California go red? It's one of the top ten biggest economies in the world. Alabama has a level of poverty that is "shocking" to the UN.

Why would anyone want to turn their home into a shithole on par with the worst of the third world willingly?




Like California already doesn't have record poverty and third world living conditions.

https://www.record-bee.com/2019/09/17/california-no-1-in-u-s-in-poverty-and-no-1-in-declines-in-poverty/

Poverty is way above the average in the US. The wealth in California is concentrated and then if falls off a cliff.




It depends how you draw the lines. California has a lot of poor, and they have very rich people, but they also have the country's biggest middle class.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26916160 - 09/03/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It was originally a Republic.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: KOLOME]
    #26916231 - 09/03/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It was Mexico before that.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: KOLOME]
    #26916239 - 09/03/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It was originally a Republic.



No it wasn’t. The California republic was a stunt. A small area of California declared independence from Mexico and was almost immediately invaded by the US. California has never been an independent nation.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26918010 - 09/04/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is also the problem with a California secession movement. It would be a much better place than the US, for about two years, until the rest of the US realized they need their welfare payments and bombed California back into the stone age.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26918686 - 09/05/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Texas and Alaska are the only states in their entire union that could survive on their own.

What would California do about being on fire half the year and running out of water without federal funding?


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle] * 3
    #26918761 - 09/05/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

California receives $12 per resident in federal aid and spending.

Alaska receives over $7000

Alaska is the fifth most federally dependent state in the country per capita. California is the 40th.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: koods]
    #26918767 - 09/05/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nine states receive less money from the feds than is sent to the fedsNew Jersey (-$2,368)

New Jersey (-$2,368)
Massachusetts (-$2,343)
New York (-$1,792)
North Dakota (-$720)
Illinois (-$364)
New Hampshire (-$234)
Washington (-$184)
Nebraska (-$164)
Colorado (-$95)


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: koods]
    #26919663 - 09/05/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

California receives $12 per resident in federal aid and spending.

Alaska receives over $7000

People in the military get bonuses for volunteering to be stationed there.

Its partly a geopolitical thing with Russia.

The government gets all that money back and then some from the enormous amount of largely untapped resources.

Timber
Oil
Gold
Seafood

The government gets a piece of all of that.



Alaska is also about 4x the size of california.
Alaska · Population

737,438 (2018)

California · Population

39.56 million (2018)


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26919685 - 09/05/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No it wouldn't be great I'd hate to live in a red state right noe. I know Gavin Newsom is a twat but I was happy when ewe took action to shutdown certain places at certain times. Locally we have a little less then 10k deaths total and in big part it's because there's a lot of dems wearing masks. Keep your red states I don't want them.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26919714 - 09/05/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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People in the military get bonuses for volunteering to be stationed there.




Of course. It sucks there. They probably get bonuses for volunteering to be in Alabama or Kentucky as well.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 2
    #26919715 - 09/05/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

"I know Gavin Newsom is a twat"

That we can agree on, any time he's on tv he looks like hes been up doing coke all night.

I think one of the most ironic laws in California is prop 65

There are cancer warning labels on houses, bags of bread and cans of coffee.

Yet recently a California court struck down this thing that would force Bayer to label Roundup (Glyphosate) carcinogenic.

That's the type of shit im talking about.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26922730 - 09/07/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

California is dying a slow death


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26922745 - 09/07/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

California is the 6th largest economy in the world.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26922836 - 09/07/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

People believe whatever they want to believe.
California could secede, become the worlds largest economy and invade/conquer all the way to the rockies.  Some dipshit in oklahoma would still be on the internet posting shit like "California is dying a slow death"


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26922947 - 09/07/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/02/opinion/life-expectancy-united-states.html

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“E pluribus unum” — out of many, one — is one of America’s traditional mottos. And you might think it would be reflected in reality. We aren’t, after all, just united politically. We share a common language; the unrestricted movement of goods, services and people is guaranteed by the Constitution. Shouldn’t this lead to convergence in the way we live and think?

In fact, however, the past few decades have been marked by growing divergence among regions along several dimensions, all closely correlated. In particular, the political divide is also, increasingly, an economic divide. As The Times’s Tom Edsall put it in a recent article, “red and blue voters live in different economies.”

What Edsall didn’t point out is that red and blue voters don’t just live differently, they also die differently.

About the living part: Democratic-leaning areas used to look similar to Republican-leaning areas in terms of productivity, income and education. But they have been rapidly diverging, with blue areas getting more productive, richer and better educated. In the close presidential election of 2000, counties that supported Al Gore over George W. Bush accounted for only a little over half the nation’s economic output. In the close election of 2016, counties that supported Hillary Clinton accounted for 64 percent of output, almost twice the share of Trump country.

The thing is, the red-blue divide isn’t just about money. It’s also, increasingly, a matter of life and death.

Back in the Bush years I used to encounter people who insisted that the United States had the world’s longest life expectancy. They hadn’t looked at the data, they just assumed that America was No. 1 on everything. Even then it wasn’t true: U.S. life expectancy has been below that of other advanced countries for a long time.

The death gap has, however, widened considerably in recent years as a result of increased mortality among working-age Americans. This rise in mortality has, in turn, been largely a result of rising “deaths of despair”: drug overdoses, suicides and alcohol. And the rise in these deaths has led to declining overall life expectancy for the past few years.

What I haven’t seen emphasized is the divergence in life expectancy within the United States and its close correlation with political orientation. True, a recent Times article on the phenomenon noted that life expectancy in coastal metropolitan areas is still rising about as fast as life expectancy in other advanced countries. But the regional divide goes deeper than that.

A 2018 article in The Journal of the American Medical Association looked at changes in health and life expectancy in U.S. states between 1990 and 2016. The divergence among states is striking. And as I said, it’s closely correlated with political orientation.

I looked at states that voted for Donald Trump versus states that voted for Clinton in 2016, and calculated average life expectancy weighted by their 2016 population. In 1990, today’s red and blue states had almost the same life expectancy. Since then, however, life expectancy in Clinton states has risen more or less in line with other advanced countries, compared with almost no gain in Trump country. At this point, blue-state residents can expect to live more than four years longer than their red-state counterparts.

Is this all about deaths of despair in the eastern heartland? No. Consider our four most populous states. In 1990, Texas and Florida had higher life expectancy than New York and almost matched California; today, they’re far behind.

What explains the divergence? Public policy certainly plays some role, especially in recent years, as blue states expanded Medicaid and drastically reduced the number of uninsured, while most red states didn’t. The growing gap in educational levels has also surely played a role: Better-educated people tend to be healthier than the less educated.

Beyond that, there has been a striking divergence in behavior and lifestyle that must be affecting mortality. For example, the prevalence of obesity has soared all across America since 1990, but obesity rates are significantly higher in red states.

One thing that’s clear, however, is that the facts are utterly inconsistent with the conservative diagnosis of what ails America.

Conservative figures like William Barr, the attorney general, look at rising mortality in America and attribute it to the collapse of traditional values — a collapse they attribute, in turn, to the evil machinations of “militant secularists.” The secularist assault on traditional values, Barr claims, lies behind “soaring suicide rates,” rising violence and “a deadly drug epidemic.”

But European nations, which are far more secularist than we are, haven’t seen a comparable rise in deaths of despair and an American-style decline in life expectancy. And even within America these evils are concentrated in states that voted for Trump, and have largely bypassed the more secular blue states.

So something bad is definitely happening to American society. But the conservative diagnosis of that problem is wrong — dead wrong.




Life expectancy in blue states is higher than than in red states, with the biggest discrepancies being almost 7 years, between Mississippi and Hawaii.

Interestingly, this was not true in 1990, where life expectancy was pretty consistent across the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_life_expectancy

This list says it best. The entire bottom is populated by red state shitholes like Mississippi, Alabama, and Kentucky. The first blue state, counting from the bottom, is Michigan at #38. Michigan only turned blue two years ago, and the data is two years old.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26923671 - 09/07/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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No it wouldn't be great I'd hate to live in a red state right noe. I know Gavin Newsom is a twat but I was happy when ewe took action to shutdown certain places at certain times. Locally we have a little less then 10k deaths total and in big part it's because there's a lot of dems wearing masks. Keep your red states I don't want them.



The state doesnt actually chqnge colors buddy. You wouldnt even notice.


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Re: Wouldn't it be great if California went red? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26924056 - 09/08/20 03:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is almost certainly in part a cultural thing.

You think people who live in the appalacians eat vegan, bike everywhere, and avoid drinking keystone and smoking cigarettes?

The thing is..... even if democrats took over west virginia it would still be an appalacian shithole.

"Coal country"

When you are poor you dont give a shit.

All the wealth in regions like that is long gone.

It has more to do with money that it has to do with politics.


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