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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26908937 - 08/30/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: At most based on the slowed down video I'd say it wouldn't be completely unreasonable that he was taking a video. I don't see any motion that would indicate him pressing the screen to take individual pictures.
That's certainly a possibility.
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Kwyjibo said: ...taking pictures of the officers isn't a crime and I still see nothing to indicate that there is any veracity to the OAN claims.
Nor do I. But putting your hands too close to a police officer whose job it is to clear you out the square for curfew may be grounds to push you away. It doesn't appear they tried to push him down.
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Kwyjibo said: So I still fail to see how my source or make believe post to vahn is unreasonable due to the complete lack of evidence to support his claim.
His claim that "he was doing something with his phone to the officer's equipment"?
The source is the video itself. But since we don't know what that "something" is, I guess it's ok if you were asking what that something was. But I don't think anyone knows.
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Kwyjibo said: To me it looks like they were pissed that he was in the way. The reaction of the cop doesn't look to me like he had and concern that he was going for his weapon or I suspect his reaction would have been more aggressive than the casual reaction he appears to have in the video.
Sure, they were pissed the guy wasn't listening to their request to obey curfew, and that he got his hands WAY too close to them for comfort.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26908940 - 08/30/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: I suppose in the absolute broadest sense you could argue that taking a video could be considered "doing something" but given that vahn seemed to use "doing something" as justification for the officers action it's up to him to provide evidence to support the claim that what he was doing with his phone warranted the reaction he got.
Now here's an honest discussion. 
I don't think that "something" got the guy pushed. I think it was just him getting way too close.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: koods]
#26908942 - 08/30/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Ha y’all are a bunch of suckers. He’s got you debating whether a guy had a phone or tricorder. He does it to everyone. We end up discussing the most fringe elements of an issue because that’s where he successfully drags us.
Where did I say he had a tricorder? Where did I say I thought the OAN story was true?
Jesus Christ you're determined to keep the King of Make Believe crown.
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At least 5 times on this page youve said you believe he was doing something "deliberate" with his phone. Claim what you want, your tactics are already well known on this site.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26908949 - 08/30/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: At least 5 times on this page youve said you believe he was doing something "deliberate" with his phone. Claim what you want, your tactics are already well known on this site.
Yes, it appears he was doing something deliberate. I don't know what though, regardless of whether you make believe I buy the OAN story.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Kwyjibo said: I suppose in the absolute broadest sense you could argue that taking a video could be considered "doing something" but given that vahn seemed to use "doing something" as justification for the officers action it's up to him to provide evidence to support the claim that what he was doing with his phone warranted the reaction he got.
Now here's an honest discussion. 
I don't think that "something" got the guy pushed. I think it was just him getting way too close.
I'm not really arguing on the justification of the push one way or the other as far as whether the push itself was justified. This quote by vahn is why I entered the discussion and the point I'm arguing.
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Vahn421 said: The man that was pushed was a well known agitator/"peaceful"-protester. He was doing something with his phone to the officer's equipment. You can see him waving it around in various places for some unknown reason.
The officers didn't like that and pushed him away out of his personal space...
While it appears you and I agree that the "something" wasn't justification for the push, based on this quote it also appears that vahn feels differently and that's when I asked for proof. If the "something' had no bearing on the officers actions in his eyes then I don't see any reason for him to have brought it up and I would have had no reason to ask for proof.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26908986 - 08/31/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fair enough, I see your point.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26909319 - 08/31/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Open carry was illegal for him.
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Frank Rizzo said: So in Texas if you come home from whatever place late one night and there is a riot at your neighbors house are you going to watch their house burn down and hope they don't come to your house? I would hope at minimum you get what you need and stand in front of your house. Now on the legality of him being there if the open carry hunting clause in being aloud to have a rifle etc yes like I said before he's not coming out untouched but murder just don't see sticking.
So your point means what in the context of my words? Do you even understand the point I'm making to begin with. His charges are out, he did not drive over state lines with the weapon, technically he might even skirt that illegal carry but you can take that point up with John Monroe your point means nothing to me.
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John Monroe, an attorney who specializes in gun rights, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that there’s an exception for rifles and shotguns, which is aimed at letting children ages 16 and 17 hunt, that could apply. But Rittenhouse wasn’t in Kenosha to hunt.
Anybody see a charge for instigating a riot? Counter protest charge? Committing a felon while breaking curfew?
Looks like he has the dream team working for him on the claim of self defense and all the details coming out only strengthen it. How about that shot to the back on the first victim I wonder where that bullet came from?
Are some you guys mad there aren't more videos of rioters beating people to a pulp because they tried to protect property or shop owners standing in front of charred shops, what are they like snuff clips for you to spank one out?
Are you the same person who's going to film someone getting raped on the platform in broad daylight shame him out of his wicked ways?
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: Frank Rizzo]
#26909392 - 08/31/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, finer you get into the details, it just gets better and better for the kid...
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: Frank Rizzo]
#26909555 - 08/31/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil, whats your take on this lawyer's position?
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meltdowner
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Lol good poll. The fact 7 people voted Falcon91Wolvrn03 shows how twisted some users are. Falcon constantly puts up with insults qnd nonsense and is nice the whole time. I dont know how he has the patience to debate with koods make believe land reality.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: meltdowner]
#26910947 - 08/31/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya right fal constantly throws insults. He tries to have it both ways in his arguments or argue semantics to death wirh certain posters and when he gets called out on it he calls everyone make believers.
His poll, while I dont give 2 shits, is a classic example of the type of trolling fal does around here when people try to play his games against him or call him on his bullshit.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26910962 - 08/31/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Ya right fal constantly throws insults. He tries to have it both ways in his arguments or argue semantics to death wirh certain posters and when he gets called out on it he calls everyone make believers.
His poll, while I dont give 2 shits, is a classic example of the type of trolling fal does around here when people try to play his games against him or call him on his bullshit.
Nate, words have meanings and you cant just change the meaning of a word to suit your argument. Falcon has to argue this all the time and I see and go "oh my god bless him" becUse there's no way id have the patience to explain to someone the meaning of every word in their argument.
His poll is not a troll, its a jab your buddy would give u in the shoulder after he says your sister is hot. Grow some skin man.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: meltdowner]
#26911051 - 08/31/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fal is the one who constantly infers his own meaning from others words. If you havent seen that then there is no point discussing it with you.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26911055 - 08/31/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also fals troll attempts dont upset me at all. You just think everyone is a little snowflake nowadays; but what else can you expect from someone who most likely forms their opinion around youtube vids and drinks the koolaid fresh from trumps teats no matter the flavor.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#26911077 - 09/01/20 12:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Ya right fal constantly throws insults.
I call people out on make believe a lot. There's nothing I hate more. If true, is that an insult?
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natedawgnow said: He tries to have it both ways in his arguments or argue semantics to death wirh certain posters and when he gets called out on it he calls everyone make believers.
Source, or make believe? 
I mean an actual link to something I wrote that was make believe, not some "well everyone knows you do it all the time - koods even says so!" or a "I'd find it for you, but I want to go fishing".
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natedawgnow said: His poll, while I dont give 2 shits, is a classic example of the type of trolling fal does around here when people try to play his games against him or call him on his bullshit.
It showed koods is still king. As meltdowner said: "Grow some skin man."
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natedawgnow said: Fal is the one who constantly infers his own meaning from others words. If you havent seen that then there is no point discussing it with you.
I challenge anyone here to provide a link to something I said that was make believe. I'd ask you, but you already said you'd rather go fishing than prove me wrong.
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I refuse to do work to supply you with evidence for you to deny I supplied it, as you have done in the past.
Maybe if you wanted me to engage with you in actual conversation, you wouldnt have been so dishonest before in our discussion. I didnt take the poll so I dont know what the results are but I'm not mad either way dude.
I just dont personally like engaging with you so I dont. Youre definitely the most bad faith debater on these boards, followed closely by koods.
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26911107 - 09/01/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I refuse to do work to supply you with evidence for you to deny I supplied it, as you have done in the past.
You refuse to prove you're not make believing about me make believing? I thought so. 
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natedawgnow said: Maybe if you wanted me to engage with you in actual conversation, you wouldnt have been so dishonest before in our discussion.
Again, I challenge you or any one of the people who voted for me as dishonest to link to one dishonest post. Read my signature if you hate me defending the other side where they deserve it.
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natedawgnow said: Youre definitely the most bad faith debater on these boards...
You'd prove it too, but you've gotta go fishing, right?
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MagicMush123
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Nice poll 
Im happy for koods that he was able to successfully defend his title as reigning king of make believe
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Re: Yall watching the civil war start? [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#26911288 - 09/01/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Regardless of whether or not I was fishing today, I still wouldnt waste my time with you
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