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Offlineshroomening

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This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love?
    #26910324 - 08/31/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Guys, me and a friend had an interesting conversation about some intresting questions/thoughts. You know it is often said that some people have a bigger heart than other people, right? So the first question then is: do you think that thats the case - or do you think that everyone fundamentally has the same big hearts? Like, do you think some people are born with more love and bigger hearts then others, like born with a higher capacity to love, then others do? And that, for example, suffering creates bigger and depper hearts that others won't have because they have never suffered? Or do you think that everyone fundamentally has the same big hearts and capacity to love?

And if that is the case, that some might have bigger hearts, do you then think that psilocybin - which affects the serotonin receptors and basically activates the individual's hearts - then has a greater impact on such people in that there is "a larger heart to fill"? And thus a larger "tank of love"?
Or do you think psilocybin affects everyone the same regardless of the individual's capacity to love to begin with? 

I mean, why does not everyone who eats mushrooms want to do everything they can to help the world and end suffering, instead of just having a good life for themselves and don't care more then about themselves? Why does not everyone take on some kind of responsibility to help the world in some kind of way?

What's your thoughts about all this?


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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: shroomening]
    #26910338 - 08/31/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Read some Ayn Rand. To some people love and warmth are doctionary words.

Psychedelics can be heart opening, but this by uncovering your kernel, and lowering your shield and taking off your armor, not as much mediated by serotonin receptors.


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Offlineshroomening

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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: Asante]
    #26910361 - 08/31/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Read some Ayn Rand. To some people love and warmth are doctionary words.

Psychedelics can be heart opening, but this by uncovering your kernel, and lowering your shield and taking off your armor, not as much mediated by serotonin receptors.




Man, your answer felt warm in my heart brother.


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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: shroomening]
    #26910373 - 08/31/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

you cant quantify love, youre the product of gods entertainment
something something something
you can always eat more


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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: shroomening]
    #26910389 - 08/31/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Robots can't love.


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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26910448 - 08/31/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Evil people who take psychedelics seem to get more evil if you ask me. Seems very rare an evil person takes psychedelics and becomes good. Though I do suppose it is possible; vice versa as well. Though I do tend to believe that substances magnify what you already are; and as apertures of god we have different characteristics.

Psychedelics can either be fuel to a fire; or water to a tree; or wind to a seed; or earth to a root.


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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: KOLOME] * 1
    #26911146 - 09/01/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

to me, evil is a disease, not an inherent trait of a person. think of it as an imbalance to a person's soul, or how a melody can be disrupted by background noise or the instruments playing it being damaged - it's not that the melody is ruined; the information still exists, and is still true, but there is an element of discord that is infecting it, interfering with the natural balance of the soul, that is causing it's natural element of love to not work properly.

psychedelics are a powerful tool, but they're a sort of...amplifier and agent of chaos. they're very similar to dreams, in that they help you access that higher self of yours, let you see through the masks of society you put up to hide your true self, which can often hide ugly and painful truths, and can help put you in the right creative mindset to face said truths to put those truths to rest, to put the past in the past and face the future with a smile on your face. but, this is the key - you have to have a an idea of where to go in the first place to find a way out. you can't find a door to freedom if you have no guiding light. some people are so sheltered or insulated from aspects of life, or so indoctrinated, that they are completely lost. psychedelics can't help them there - it will simply amplify what falsehoods they know, making things worse.

i do suspect that if they were to be given actual truth under psychedelics, or even simply be exposed to the truth enough then trip out enough a while later, the truth would out, however. but such things take time, and sometimes a lot of it. it's very hard to take down those masks sometimes, especially when they've been built up over decades. most especially when it's something tied to your afterlife, like religion. one of the biggest emotions you must deal with when fighting love isn't hatred. hatred isn't the true emotion - that too, is a mask. look behind that hatred, and you will see that it's born of fear. fear of things that are different, things that challenge that persons carefully constructed worldviews, that shake their routines and make them see the world differently, that widen their world and make them face the unknown. it terrifies them. and from that terror, anger is born. hatred is born.

the challenge lies in somehow exposing these people to the truth of the world - that the world is full of strange and crazy and wonderful things, of magic and awe and beautiful and exotic people in all kinds of appearances and forms, all in a way that makes them interested instead of fearful. that makes them crave more. it's difficult. but i will tell you this - for me, a boy who was a conservative christian before he hit puberty and discovered he was gay, a crisis that nearly destroyed him then wound up saving him, along with 3 best friends that turned out to be wiccans, another crisis (they were the kindest people i'd ever met, and the happiest, yet also witches and sinners!), what saved me was stories. the fantasy stories i'd always loved as a kid, of exotic places and strange magics and ancient technologies. the protagonist's situations, of suddenly being an outcast in society where they once were a happy member, was very relatable, and helped me have the strength to get through my own difficult times, and find my own path.

so maybe art like stories is the answer to help people who are "evil" find their way back to the light of love. or perhaps they need to be put in the shoes of those they revile. or both. :P either way, screaming at them isn't going to work - it just activates their fear and terror response, and brings up those defensive walls to hide from the truth. you gotta be sneaky, like a ninja. you gotta get past those walls by trickery, because you cannot defeat a persons own ability to deceive themselves.


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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: Psion]
    #26912533 - 09/01/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Psion said:
to me, evil is a disease, not an inherent trait of a person. think of it as an imbalance to a person's soul, or how a melody can be disrupted by background noise or the instruments playing it being damaged - it's not that the melody is ruined; the information still exists, and is still true, but there is an element of discord that is infecting it, interfering with the natural balance of the soul, that is causing it's natural element of love to not work properly.

psychedelics are a powerful tool, but they're a sort of...amplifier and agent of chaos. they're very similar to dreams, in that they help you access that higher self of yours, let you see through the masks of society you put up to hide your true self, which can often hide ugly and painful truths, and can help put you in the right creative mindset to face said truths to put those truths to rest, to put the past in the past and face the future with a smile on your face. but, this is the key - you have to have a an idea of where to go in the first place to find a way out. you can't find a door to freedom if you have no guiding light. some people are so sheltered or insulated from aspects of life, or so indoctrinated, that they are completely lost. psychedelics can't help them there - it will simply amplify what falsehoods they know, making things worse.

i do suspect that if they were to be given actual truth under psychedelics, or even simply be exposed to the truth enough then trip out enough a while later, the truth would out, however. but such things take time, and sometimes a lot of it. it's very hard to take down those masks sometimes, especially when they've been built up over decades. most especially when it's something tied to your afterlife, like religion. one of the biggest emotions you must deal with when fighting love isn't hatred. hatred isn't the true emotion - that too, is a mask. look behind that hatred, and you will see that it's born of fear. fear of things that are different, things that challenge that persons carefully constructed worldviews, that shake their routines and make them see the world differently, that widen their world and make them face the unknown. it terrifies them. and from that terror, anger is born. hatred is born.

the challenge lies in somehow exposing these people to the truth of the world - that the world is full of strange and crazy and wonderful things, of magic and awe and beautiful and exotic people in all kinds of appearances and forms, all in a way that makes them interested instead of fearful. that makes them crave more. it's difficult. but i will tell you this - for me, a boy who was a conservative christian before he hit puberty and discovered he was gay, a crisis that nearly destroyed him then wound up saving him, along with 3 best friends that turned out to be wiccans, another crisis (they were the kindest people i'd ever met, and the happiest, yet also witches and sinners!), what saved me was stories. the fantasy stories i'd always loved as a kid, of exotic places and strange magics and ancient technologies. the protagonist's situations, of suddenly being an outcast in society where they once were a happy member, was very relatable, and helped me have the strength to get through my own difficult times, and find my own path.

so maybe art like stories is the answer to help people who are "evil" find their way back to the light of love. or perhaps they need to be put in the shoes of those they revile. or both. :P either way, screaming at them isn't going to work - it just activates their fear and terror response, and brings up those defensive walls to hide from the truth. you gotta be sneaky, like a ninja. you gotta get past those walls by trickery, because you cannot defeat a persons own ability to deceive themselves.




Well spoken everybody. And Psion, I love you brother. King.


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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: shroomening]
    #26912592 - 09/01/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is basically a nature versus nurture question. And I think the answer is both affect your capacity to recognize and accept your ability to love and how you deal with it or shut it down.

Some people just aren't wired to be very emotional and are more logical. Some people get skewed or just downright wrong examples of what love should be growing up and never learn how it should be.

Any experience with psilocybin will amplify either nature characteristics, nurture, or both, depending on the person. I think with many drugs people become more like themselves when they're under the influence (assholes and selfish people become more so, and likewise kind and compassionate people) but drugs like psilocybin that actually dampen a part of your brain that normally runs your sense of self actially do have the potential to change who you normally present to the world.


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Re: This is an interesting question! The effect of psilocybin depending on the individual's capacity to love? [Re: the strander]
    #26912746 - 09/01/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i will say this - i've always been a logical thinker type person. i never really "got" the whole emotional, spiritual experience of things. never "got" it, that is, until my first trip. that is when i understood. understood that some things cannot be thought through, but must be experienced, be felt, for understanding to be reached. some types of knowledge simply require sensory input - there is no amount of thinking that can explain your way to the sensation of seeing the color green, or feeling the emotion of love, or the sensation of pain. such it is, for the connection to the all made one, what some call God, what some call universal love, that divine force.

its presence cannot be seen, but it's whisper can be felt throughout the cosmos.


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