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Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency?
    #26910227 - 08/31/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've read mixed reports, but many (most?) say greater consolidation equals greater potency.. Now I'm a bit concerned because I have birthed my PF Tek jars after 3 days consolidation, however, I did this because they are 1/4 pint jars, so half the size of the normal size.

Anyways, I'm wondering if this is true, and if my mushrooms will come out less potent.

Does anyone have experience with this? Have you ever birthed your cakes early and had good shrooms?

Advice appreciated


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26910247 - 08/31/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve let subs consolidate a week, I’ve introduced FAE at spawning and everything in between.
I’ve noticed zero difference in potency between either extreme.

I have noticed better pinsets from consolidation.  That’s about it.


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: Jabensis]
    #26910250 - 08/31/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I’ve let subs consolidate a week, I’ve introduced FAE at spawning and everything in between.
I’ve noticed zero difference in potency between either extreme.

I have noticed better pinsets from consolidation.  That’s about it.




I believe consolidation/potency only applies to jars, not spawning to bulk. You're talking about spawning right?


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26910258 - 08/31/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am.
And admittedly ignorant of any literature/science positing a correlation between consolidation and potency.  If you know of any, I would be interested in reading up on the topic.  I only Know what I experienced personally.  And that is, as you assumed, with spawning to bulk.


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: Jabensis]
    #26910455 - 08/31/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Gotcha.. yeah damn I'm just a bit concerned I may have lost potent mushrooms.. because if I did birth too early well, then, it seems the potency may be hurt.


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26910550 - 08/31/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Potency is a result of genetic potential.  Consolidation doesn't increase potency.  Consolidation in PF jars is to ensure proper/thorough colonization of the dense brf mixture prior to spawning.  :thumbup:


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26910559 - 08/31/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Outside of cakes, the only subject I'm aware of that still considers consolidation valid is with the PE variety. Some believe that letting PE consolidate in the jar for a week or so helps with performance.


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26910574 - 08/31/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The first grow I did with BRF cakes, I was like you and I just couldn't wait and let things properly colonize. I know now that I birthed my cakes too early. I did get some shrooms, but they were somewhat of a dud. Not bad, but not very good either.

In later grows, I calmed down and let things get really well along before trying to fruit and things improved.

It's only 1 small data point, and with multi-spore, who knows. Maybe I just got unlucky.

If you've already birthed your cakes, it's basically too late now. Fruit what you got and report back.

I agree with Alaska that genetics plays the main role, but I also believe there are other factors that could possibly bring the mushrooms to maximum potential or conversely "stunt" them in the potency category (or other categories like size, etc.)


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26910580 - 08/31/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Potency is a result of genetic potential.  Consolidation doesn't increase potency.  Consolidation in PF jars is to ensure proper/thorough colonization of the dense brf mixture prior to spawning.  :thumbup:




I appreciate it. So, I read that was one of the reasons for consolidation, and the other being giving time for the mycelium to absorb/consume all the nutrients to produce fruits (hence longer consolidation = more potent fruits) but that's just what I read.

Regardless, this is why I did not consolidate for a full week, but rather between 2-3 days (I believe 3.5 days) because my jar was half the size, so half the time for consolidation, ya know?

In this case, do you think my cakes will still fruit normally?
Still a bit confused over this whole thing.

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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: Bernard]
    #26910584 - 08/31/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The first grow I did with BRF cakes, I was like you and I just couldn't wait and let things properly colonize. I know now that I birthed my cakes too early. I did get some shrooms, but they were somewhat of a dud. Not bad, but not very good either.

In later grows, I calmed down and let things get really well along before trying to fruit and things improved.

It's only 1 small data point, and with multi-spore, who knows. Maybe I just got unlucky.

If you've already birthed your cakes, it's basically too late now. Fruit what you got and report back.

I agree with Alaska that genetics plays the main role, but I also believe there are other factors that could possibly bring the mushrooms to maximum potential or conversely "stunt" them in the potency category (or other categories like size, etc.)




Honestly man, I would've waited, but I read from another user that because I was using half the size jars, times would be cut in half, like dunking 12 hours instead of 24 hours, etc.

So instead of consolidating a week, I planned for 3.5 days, and I believe I did hit 3.5 days (although oddly I cannot remember whether they were fully colonized this past thursday, but I believe it was 3.5 days).

And damn those results are pretty upsetting, I hope mine aren't duds. Mind me asking how much you took and what strain it was?

edit: And when you say you didn't let things properly colonize, just how colonized were your jars? Did they look 100% colonized? And how many days did you actually wait?

Thanks again


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26910617 - 08/31/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well, that was a few years ago. I'm thinking that after it looked like the jar was finished, I gave it 3 or 4 days.

I took something like 25 wet grams and got a very light trip.

But you really have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Multi-spore is just a crap shoot. THIS IS NOT HARD CORE FACTS I'M GIVING YOU. Again, typically genetics is the key to more actives, but there must be other influences that allow the genetics to reach their full potential (or not).

Don't worry about it!!  Take care of your cakes, get some shrooms, and tell us how it went.


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: Bernard]
    #26910627 - 08/31/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, that was a few years ago. I'm thinking that after it looked like the jar was finished, I gave it 3 or 4 days.

I took something like 25 wet grams and got a very light trip.

But you really have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Multi-spore is just a crap shoot. THIS IS NOT HARD CORE FACTS I'M GIVING YOU. Again, typically genetics is the key to more actives, but there must be other influences that allow the genetics to reach their full potential (or not).

Don't worry about it!!  Take care of your cakes, get some shrooms, and tell us how it went.





Got it.. thanks man. Quick question, I have 2 more jars about 80% colonized (although much slower to colonize), these I will give a full week's consolidation before I birth. Would you recommend I separate these mushrooms from the others b/c of consolidation differences or is that just arbitrary?


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26910783 - 08/31/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Nah no reason to segregate those.  Only reason to segregate individual jars (of any kind, PF or whole grain) is due to a jar/some jars being bacterial or otherwise questionable and not wanting to throw a wrench in a grow you used squeaky clean spawn for.  Yes a week is ideal for PF jar consolidation,  but it's mainly for ensuring full internal colonization and plus gives a better pinset (related).  3 days on those little 1/4 pints vs a week is negligible.  This is of course if birthing cakes to a SGFC.  If you spawn cakes to bulk, treat them like grain jars and just go a day or two past full visible colonization and spawn em.


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26910791 - 08/31/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Nah no reason to segregate those.  Only reason to segregate individual jars (of any kind, PF or whole grain) is due to a jar/some jars being bacterial or otherwise questionable and not wanting to throw a wrench in a grow you used squeaky clean spawn for.




Sorry maybe I made that too ambiguous, I meant that if these mushrooms may have less potency, should I not mix them with the mushrooms that I have consolidated for a full 7 days


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26910798 - 08/31/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

They won't be any less potent.  Again, that's due to genetic potential.  Consolidation is to ensure internal colonization is truly complete and to foster a better pinset.:toast:


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26910801 - 08/31/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I believe you've gotten answers on multiple threads. A consolidation period will not affect the potency. That is primarily determined by genetics, variety (in very specific cases), and species if growing something other than cubes.

Consolidation of cakes is primarily to allow the mycelium to get a good hold and to ensure 100% colonization throughout the cake. If not allowing for consolidation hurt thr potency, then everyone using grain (which doesnt have a consolidation period) would be growing bunk ass shrooms.


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: Gan]
    #26911106 - 09/01/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

thanks everyone, much appreciated


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    #26911236 - 09/01/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Remember you are using multi-spore. You really have no idea from mushroom to mushroom what the potency will be. You have to accept that whatever you consume could be wildly different.

Both of these guys are random humans.......



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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: Bernard]
    #26911265 - 09/01/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Both would look real similar to an apple.


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Re: Does consolidation time affect mushroom potency? [Re: pineninja]
    #26911394 - 09/01/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The consolidation for potency thing applies to cakes and bulk but they were leaving them in colonization/ge mode for months to get results.


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