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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26909841 - 08/31/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whatever you were trying to do, it was foolish. I could answer yes or no and you wouldn’t know if I was telling you the truth.
I just figured you'd be honest, but okay.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26909864 - 08/31/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said:
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christopera said: https://www.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-illegal-trump-interactions-french-kissing-chainsaw-book-2020-8?fbclid=IwAR1a6MIiWgZ-EWCbCQXd-sP77PXGWu8YJM_oU831xLmM4FrbJuIG7pPhsUQ
Kelly says Trump behaves like an authoritarian.
Think for yourself.
Ummm, alright. Great rebuttal.
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"Kelly has told others that Trump wanted to behave like an authoritarian and repeatedly had to be restrained and told what he could and could not legally do," the book says, according to Axios.
That's a pretty interesting quote from somebody whom was the Chief of Staff.
Here's an article by two Harvard Political Scientists.
https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-political-science-professor-donald-trump-authoritarian-how-democracy-778425
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"Trump was easily identifiable as someone who is not committed to the democratic rules of the game," Levitsky told Newsweek on Thursday. "There is real cause for concern for the health of our democratic institutions."
The four markers are:
Rejecting or showing weak commitment to democratic rules. Denying the legitimacy of political opponents. Encouraging or tolerating violence. A readiness to stifle or limit civil liberties of opponents, including media. "Those are things that democratic candidates in the U.S. simply do not have," Levitsky said. At least, until Trump.
The checklist is meant to be a litmus test for candidates—not incumbents—for good reason, Levitsky said.
Seems like a lot of smart people think Trump is pretty Authoritarian, at least in his behavior. Luckily, the system appears to have mostly limited his actions. Even his stacked supreme court has shot him down multiple times.
We have a number of right wing authoritarians active on the site, and they are almost all Trump supporters.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] 1
#26909866 - 08/31/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn, out of genuine curiosity, will you please take this test and post your results? It's a quick 6 panel test meant to gauge where you fall on the political compass.
If you dont want to, no problem. I was just hoping you would be down. Just so you know, I fall in the libertarian left quadrant.
If you take it please answer as honestly as possible.
I look forward to your reply.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26909882 - 08/31/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
#26909885 - 08/31/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said:
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Billy Ray said:
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christopera said: https://www.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-illegal-trump-interactions-french-kissing-chainsaw-book-2020-8?fbclid=IwAR1a6MIiWgZ-EWCbCQXd-sP77PXGWu8YJM_oU831xLmM4FrbJuIG7pPhsUQ
Kelly says Trump behaves like an authoritarian.
Think for yourself.
Ummm, alright. Great rebuttal.
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"Kelly has told others that Trump wanted to behave like an authoritarian and repeatedly had to be restrained and told what he could and could not legally do," the book says, according to Axios.
That's a pretty interesting quote from somebody whom was the Chief of Staff.
Here's an article by two Harvard Political Scientists.
https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-political-science-professor-donald-trump-authoritarian-how-democracy-778425
Quote:
"Trump was easily identifiable as someone who is not committed to the democratic rules of the game," Levitsky told Newsweek on Thursday. "There is real cause for concern for the health of our democratic institutions."
The four markers are:
Rejecting or showing weak commitment to democratic rules. Denying the legitimacy of political opponents. Encouraging or tolerating violence. A readiness to stifle or limit civil liberties of opponents, including media. "Those are things that democratic candidates in the U.S. simply do not have," Levitsky said. At least, until Trump.
The checklist is meant to be a litmus test for candidates—not incumbents—for good reason, Levitsky said.
Seems like a lot of smart people think Trump is pretty Authoritarian, at least in his behavior. Luckily, the system appears to have mostly limited his actions. Even his stacked supreme court has shot him down multiple times.
We have a number of right wing authoritarians active on the site, and they are almost all Trump supporters.
Your appealing to authority which is a logical fallacy.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26909907 - 08/31/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Vahn, out of genuine curiosity, will you please take this test and post your results? It's a quick 6 panel test meant to gauge where you fall on the political compass.
If you dont want to, no problem. I was just hoping you would be down. Just so you know, I fall in the libertarian left quadrant.
If you take it please answer as honestly as possible.
I look forward to your reply.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
Im with you buddy
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26909910 - 08/31/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol, no I am not. I never said it had to be true because they are authorities. For Kelly, he is telling a story about working with Trump. Believe it if you want, but neither of us are going to be Chief of Staff so Kelly might be the closest we get. The other article lists markers that they use to measure ones propensity for authoritarianism. It's all right there, you just to read it.
In summary, they are authorities, and what they are saying seems to be true. There is a difference.
You on the other hand don't have a rebuttal.
Here;
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Appeal to Authority argumentum ad verecundiam
(also known as: argument from authority, ipse dixit)
Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26909950 - 08/31/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Vahn, out of genuine curiosity, will you please take this test and post your results? It's a quick 6 panel test meant to gauge where you fall on the political compass.
If you dont want to, no problem. I was just hoping you would be down. Just so you know, I fall in the libertarian left quadrant.
If you take it please answer as honestly as possible.
I look forward to your reply.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
My results; Economic Left/Right: -4.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54
Close to Ghandi.
I would say, that while I am a fairly successful neo liberal in practice, I run my business more as a collective. So I kind of fall on both sides. But this could just because I am product of my environment, as I really don't have much choice out side of neo liberalism, only getting to inject collectivism in to the details of my operation.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
#26909966 - 08/31/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: lol, no I am not. I never said it had to be true because they are authorities. For Kelly, he is telling a story about working with Trump. Believe it if you want, but neither of us are going to be Chief of Staff so Kelly might be the closest we get. The other article lists markers that they use to measure ones propensity for authoritarianism. It's all right there, you just to read it.
In summary, they are authorities, and what they are saying seems to be true. There is a difference.
You on the other hand don't have a rebuttal.
Here;
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Appeal to Authority argumentum ad verecundiam
(also known as: argument from authority, ipse dixit)
Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered.
You said something like, "Kelly thinks Trump's an authoritarian," as if that's proof of anything.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26909980 - 08/31/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kelly said it in his book. I quoted it so that you could see what he said.
Is Trump's hand picked right wing former Chief of Staff saying things you don't like? It's cool if you don't like it, but that doesn't change Kelly's stance.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] 1
#26910000 - 08/31/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol I don't have an opinion of Kelly. My opinions aren't going to change because, "Kelly says Trump behaves like an authoritarian."
There's no fact in that statement of yours.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26910006 - 08/31/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was just pointing out that various people think he has authoritarian traits. Given his behavior and language I would agree with Kelly. Though Trumps obvious ignorance in regards to governance is likely to blame as well.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MagicMush123]
#26910024 - 08/31/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said:
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natedawgnow said: Vahn, out of genuine curiosity, will you please take this test and post your results? It's a quick 6 panel test meant to gauge where you fall on the political compass.
If you dont want to, no problem. I was just hoping you would be down. Just so you know, I fall in the libertarian left quadrant.
If you take it please answer as honestly as possible.
I look forward to your reply.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
Im with you buddy 
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26910074 - 08/31/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I find it interesting you fell in the same qhadrant as anarchists but argue in favor of points of view directly opposite of what you filled out there.
Note where trump falls on the compass:

Also note where the "leftists" like biden and clinton lie.
I wonder why you argue authoritarian ideals but you fall into the category that anarchists fall into.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26910077 - 08/31/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn according to your honest answers, you are a leftist.
It is reasons like this that people say you have cognitive dissonance. Not attacking you thanks for taking it I was genuinely interested in what your results would show.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26910086 - 08/31/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where's your rating, Nate? It seems fair that you'd play too.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
#26910102 - 08/31/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I fall in the libertarian left as well but I'll take it again in a few and post it.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26910126 - 08/31/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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how quaint I'm highly leftist strongly libertarian.

My spirit guide took the test too:

Our most remarkable difference is that I am strongly against the death penalty and he is strongly in favor of it in some cases. He says: "some people should be handed over to me shortly after their guilt of the most extreme of crimes is established. To let them, the committers of the most heinous crimes, live on, is to the detriment of humanity and the perpetrator needing closure that only death can provide."
Heh. I guess he knows.
I asked him what method of execution he was in favor of and he said "a gas chamber of nitrogen asphyxiation"
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26910155 - 08/31/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said:
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MagicMush123 said:
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natedawgnow said: Vahn, out of genuine curiosity, will you please take this test and post your results? It's a quick 6 panel test meant to gauge where you fall on the political compass.
If you dont want to, no problem. I was just hoping you would be down. Just so you know, I fall in the libertarian left quadrant.
If you take it please answer as honestly as possible.
I look forward to your reply.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
Im with you buddy 
Some of the questions were cringe but I did the best I could.

Mine looked kinda like yours
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26910163 - 08/31/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said:
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christopera said: lol, no I am not. I never said it had to be true because they are authorities. For Kelly, he is telling a story about working with Trump. Believe it if you want, but neither of us are going to be Chief of Staff so Kelly might be the closest we get. The other article lists markers that they use to measure ones propensity for authoritarianism. It's all right there, you just to read it.
In summary, they are authorities, and what they are saying seems to be true. There is a difference.
You on the other hand don't have a rebuttal.
Here;
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Appeal to Authority argumentum ad verecundiam
(also known as: argument from authority, ipse dixit)
Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered.
You said something like, "Kelly thinks Trump's an authoritarian," as if that's proof of anything.
That’s more proof that people who work with him and know him personally think he’s an authoritarian. That is not an appeal to authority argument.
Trump had protesters cleared from a park with tear gas and rubber bullets so he could go for a walk and take pictures holding a Bible. That is both an authoritarian act AND an appeal to authority
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