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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26909480 - 08/31/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: Lmao. You realize that paying bail isn't freeing a violent criminals. People who are waiting for their trial get out on bail all of the time.
The hyperbole is amazing.
Can you read? qman said there's no difference between the two. The fact that Biden is bailing out rioters proves that their is a difference.
There's a few ideological differences that are there just for show, but on every key issue that actually affects the lives of US citizens, they're identical.
BTW, Biden didn't do anything involving bailing out protesters.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray] 2
#26909507 - 08/31/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Fringe right wingers consider themselves the new counter culture.
Crazy how anybody can think such a thing when they have such a propensity for authoritarianism and continually make excuses for police injustice.
Interesting phenomenon for sure
How does the Right have a propensity of authoritarianism?
You're joking right?
Siding with a president who wants to send federal agents to interfere with states issues. Authoritarian.
Making excuses for cops who kill with 0 repercussion amd act as judge jury executioner when the constitution clearly states that that is a violation of our rights. Authoritarian.
Literally making excuses for a man in position of authority kneeling on the neck of another til he died. Cant really think of a better metaphor for authoritarianism than a cop kneeling on a man's neck.
I know you arent going to agree with this. I'm not here to change your mind and I honestly dont care much for a response. If you cant see why the right has a propensity for authoritarianism then you are blind to reality. Take care.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
#26909528 - 08/31/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: I don't think the results of the election should add or remove any validity from the positions anyone holds, that's fallacious reasoning. If Trump loses, should that invalidate many of the points you have made in this thread? No, the argument fails or succeeds on its own merit, not elections results.
Trump losing or winning isn't tied to a lot of points made, but it IS tied to the point made that the left (or the anti-right) doesn't treat anyone but their own like actual human beings, and it IS going to cost them the election.
The vast majority of Biden voters aren't associated with the far-left. In fact, many of them voted for Trump in 2016.
There's no point to get too fixated on the far left or right when it comes to Biden vs Trump. There's very little difference between Biden and Trump, they're almost identical on the political spectrum.
Who is seriously attempting to tie Biden with Antifa and BLM? Political hacks.
That's a bit of an oversimplification, I think. While it is true there are plenty of non-radicals voting for Biden, it is not true that people on the political left aren't driving people to vote for Trump due to the rhetoric they have adopted as a political party.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26909531 - 08/31/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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By definition anything right of left politically is closer to authoritarianism. That’s a fact.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
#26909535 - 08/31/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: By definition anything right of left politically is closer to authoritarianism. That’s a fact.
Libertarians prefer small government. Politics doesn't exist on a line as much as it is a trichotomy. The left are only one point on the triangle, but the right are split into two, the authoritarian/absolutists and the individualists. Most on the right fall somewhere in the middle of that, but we shouldn't conflate libertarian individualists who value freedom and want small government with the authoritarians.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 4
#26909551 - 08/31/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who in the hell made that piece of garbage?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26909554 - 08/31/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That political triangle takes a skewed mind to create, i"m sure rthat if I google image search it that I see it linked to akll sort of far right and fascist sources.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 3
#26909566 - 08/31/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: By definition anything right of left politically is closer to authoritarianism. That’s a fact.
Libertarians prefer small government. Politics doesn't exist on a line as much as it is a trichotomy. The left are only one point on the triangle, but the right are split into two, the authoritarian/absolutists and the individualists. Most on the right fall somewhere in the middle of that, but we shouldn't conflate libertarian individualists who value freedom and want small government with the authoritarians.

Google Image Search, what am I looking at here?
Its the Nick Land Political Triangle.
Who is he, Wiki?
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Nick Land (born 17 January 1962) is an English philosopher, short-story horror writer and blogger. He is known by some as "the father of accelerationism".
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Land is also known, along with fellow neo-reactionary thinker Curtis Yarvin, for developing in his latter works the anti-egalitarian and anti-democratic ideas behind neo-reaction and the Dark Enlightenment. His later work has become increasingly focused on advocating for scientific racism and eugenics, or what he calls "hyper-racism."[7][8]
Alexa, can you tell me something more of accelerationism?
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Since the late 2010s, the vanguardist faction of white nationalists and neo-Nazis has increasingly embraced a violent form of accelerationism as a way of establishing a whites-only ethnostate.[21][22][23] The origins of the far-right version of accelerationism dates back to the 1980s, when American Nazi Party-National Socialist Liberation Front (ANP/NSLF) member James Mason advocated for mass killings or assassinations of high-profile targets in the newsletter Siege. Brenton Harrison Tarrant, the perpetrator of the Christchurch mosque shootings that killed 51 people and injured 49 others, had embraced accelerationism in a section of his manifesto, titled "Destabilization and Accelerationism: tactics". It also influenced John Timothy Earnest, the man accused of causing the Escondido mosque fire at Dar-ul-Arqam Mosque in Escondido, California; and committing the Poway synagogue shooting, which resulted in one dead and three injured. Furthermore, it influenced Patrick Crusius, the man accused of committing the El Paso Walmart shooting, that killed 23 people and injured 23 others.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Asante] 1
#26909571 - 08/31/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Political triangle 
That image is a bunch of bullshit that completely ignores the libertarian left.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Asante] 1
#26909572 - 08/31/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wasn't really interested in who created it, nor do I know anything about Nick Land. Honestly, I don't really care. I think it's a thoughtful creation as an independent piece and it highlights my point about not all people on the right being authoritarian.
I don't understand this obsession with putting creator over content. If the content itself is untrue, provide a rebuttal.
I have no interest in discussing the creator.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 4
#26909576 - 08/31/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good luck asante. This is vahns opinion on accelerationism:
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Vahn421 said: @Shiva: What some call accelerationism other people call a natural response to having their cities destroyed and no one doing anything about it.
Let me ask you an open ended question: How much destruction OUGHT to be tolerated, especially if the police stand down, before citizens are allowed to defend their property with the use of force?
That graphic is a shit graphic that blatantly ignores a key part of leftist politics. Nice try vahn.
The reason it's necessary to knkw who created it is to assess their bias in creating it. That image has a shit load of bias and now we knkw why. Its creator intended it to be that way.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26909577 - 08/31/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You know how the usual world map projection, the Mercator projection, makes the western world super big and theb developing nations super small?
That triangle warps political positions that are completely fucked in the head to prominent positions and sweeps less extremist points of view under the rug.
Its ridiculous, except when your position is fucked in the head and you seek validation.
There is a reason the guy was a pulp horror writer.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26909578 - 08/31/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Political triangle 
That image is a bunch of bullshit that completely ignores the libertarian left.
The libertarian left only exists as an ideology, there is no actual functioning libertarian leftist system. Libertarians already value the things leftism values relating to personal freedom, they just don't want the government involved, which is why this is a triangle, not a square.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Asante]
#26909579 - 08/31/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: You know how the usual world map projection, the Mercator projection, makes the western world super big and theb developing nations super small?
That triangle warps political positions that are completely fucked in the head to prominent positions and sweeps less extremist points of view under the rug.
Its ridiculous, except when your position is fucked in the head and you seek validation.
There is a reason the guy was a pulp horror writer.
Which positions is it sweeping under the rug? Everything looks mapped out to me.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26909580 - 08/31/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: I don't think the results of the election should add or remove any validity from the positions anyone holds, that's fallacious reasoning. If Trump loses, should that invalidate many of the points you have made in this thread? No, the argument fails or succeeds on its own merit, not elections results.
Trump losing or winning isn't tied to a lot of points made, but it IS tied to the point made that the left (or the anti-right) doesn't treat anyone but their own like actual human beings, and it IS going to cost them the election.
The vast majority of Biden voters aren't associated with the far-left. In fact, many of them voted for Trump in 2016.
There's no point to get too fixated on the far left or right when it comes to Biden vs Trump. There's very little difference between Biden and Trump, they're almost identical on the political spectrum.
Who is seriously attempting to tie Biden with Antifa and BLM? Political hacks.
That's a bit of an oversimplification, I think. While it is true there are plenty of non-radicals voting for Biden, it is not true that people on the political left aren't driving people to vote for Trump due to the rhetoric they have adopted as a political party.
Do you know what's really amazing, the non-reporting of progressives hating both Biden and Harris. Yeah, the right and MSM BOTH refuse to acknowledge that the real left knows that Biden and Harris are corporate Establishment sellouts, just like TRUMP!!!!
Yeah, 'Biden and Harris are radical leftists' that support BLM and Antifa.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26909581 - 08/31/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya you have no idea what youre talking about and it really shows with that comment.
You really think Ghandi belongs on the libertarian right? You have 0 clue dude
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26909584 - 08/31/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never said all people on the right are authoritarian.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
#26909589 - 08/31/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you know what's really amazing, the non-reporting of progressives hating both Biden and Harris. Yeah, the right and MSM BOTH refuse to acknowledge that the real left knows that Biden and Harris are corporate Establishment sellouts, just like TRUMP!!!!
Yeah, 'Biden and Harris are radical leftists' that support BLM and Antifa. 
I agree. There are plenty of good, smart people that are begrudgingly voting for Biden just as there are for Trump, and both of these types of voters simply feel like the guy they vote for is the, "least worst" of the two.
Having said that, we're seeing one political party at best not say anything bad about the rioting and at worst commending them. The big push for more Trump voters is coming because Trump is the guy being willing to publicly condemn, constantly and in no gentle words, what is happening to our cities, which is what a president SHOULD be doing.
Trumps words about this reflect what is in most people's hearts about their cities. Not everyone, but most people.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] 1
#26909592 - 08/31/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: I never said all people on the right are authoritarian.
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By definition anything right of left politically is closer to authoritarianism. That’s a fact.
But you DID say this, and I was pointing out how this statement was not true.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26909595 - 08/31/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Ya you have no idea what youre talking about and it really shows with that comment.
You really think Ghandi belongs on the libertarian right? You have 0 clue dude
Ghandi?? What??? He's not on the triangle...
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