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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Barnaby] 2
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Trump will win votes by going there. Where’s Biden?
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray] 3
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Wisconsin goes blue like 75% of the time. Trump won it last time, but after this shit storm, things aren't looking good. Trump only won Wisconsin by .7% over Shillary. Ouch. Biden would probably hurt his chances by showing up, which is exactly what Trump will do.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera]
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman] 1
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I don't see how it could win him votes. He's already shown he's incapable of stopping the violence. If he attracts another mob there and they destroy the city even more he'll have a hell of time blaming Biden for it.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Kizzle] 3
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No. He's constantly offering to help these states but their leaders don't take him up on it. They'd rather have their cities burn then get help from Trump.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray] 1
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No. He's constantly offering to help these states but their leaders don't take him up on it. They'd rather have their cities burn then get help from Trump.
Exactly. And when they turn down his help the liberals have the nerve to blame Trump for the continued violence and destruction. The mental gymnastics these liberal fucktards are capable of is honestly quite impressive.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray] 1
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No. He's constantly offering to help these states but their leaders don't take him up on it. They'd rather have their cities burn then get help from Trump.
What help exactly? Federal agents to violate citizens rights on video for the whole world to witness? There's nothing that can be done today other than what they're doing. Law enforcement can't do what they did in the past, it's a new world today.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Complexicated]
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Which cities turned down Trump's help and then blamed him for the violence? Let's see 5 good examples, sources included. There's like 19,000 cities in the US, so it should be easy.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman]
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No. He's constantly offering to help these states but their leaders don't take him up on it. They'd rather have their cities burn then get help from Trump.
What help exactly? Federal agents to violate citizens rights on video for the whole world to witness? There's nothing that can be done today other than what they're doing. Law enforcement can't do what they did in the past, it's a new world today.
Yes, cities turned down Trump's fascism, because most cities don't see that as help. It's almost like, by governing themselves they are trying to do what's best for themselves.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera]
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Ironically, the Republicans always ran on the platform of letting states do what they want. Not that Democrats were against that, with only a few key issues being the exception, mainly that of health care where state level plans have been disasters for decades.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera]
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No. He's constantly offering to help these states but their leaders don't take him up on it. They'd rather have their cities burn then get help from Trump.
What help exactly? Federal agents to violate citizens rights on video for the whole world to witness? There's nothing that can be done today other than what they're doing. Law enforcement can't do what they did in the past, it's a new world today.
Yes, cities turned down Trump's fascism, because most cities don't see that as help. It's almost like, by governing themselves they are trying to do what's best for themselves.
If they violate the rights and brutalize thousands of innocent people on video, it will make this movement 100 times more powerful. People that never intended to protest will hit the streets and it will make things even worse.
Hell, even some Trump supporters that respect the Constitution might get off their asses and join the protests as well.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman]
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I never said the cities who turned down his help were the ones who made the comments.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Complexicated]
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I never said the cities who turned down his help were the ones who made the comments.
States then? Who made the comments?
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera]
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I never said the cities who turned down his help were the ones who made the comments.
States then? Who made the comments?
Joe Biden for one
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/08/31/biden-blames-trump-for-violence-in-us-cities-as-he-steps-up-campaign-travel/
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera] 1
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Portland mayor blames Trump for unrest
Portland has been on fire for about 90 straight days. Clearly Mayor Ted Wheeler has lost control of his city. A Patriot Prayer member was shot and killed, and Mayor Ted Wheeler said he will not allow Patriot Prayer and white supremacists to bring more bloodshed to his city Is this guy joking? A Patriot Prayer member was murdered and he's blaming that group for the bloodshed.
Meanwhile, Biden blames the violence in democrat-run cities on Trump. Joe isn't holding anyone accountable except the President, who can't do very much because these cities don't want his help.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray]
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It's also wrong to blame Trump for the social unrest. The oppressive police tactics, unjust laws and corrupt criminal justice system was here decades before he entered the scene.
The deteriorating middle class has also been decades in the making. Could we blame Trump for not reversing this trend? Yes, but that's really a long shot at this point.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray]
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Portland mayor blames Trump for unrest
Portland has been on fire for about 90 straight days. Clearly Mayor Ted Wheeler has lost control of his city. A Patriot Prayer member was shot and killed, and Mayor Ted Wheeler said he will not allow Patriot Prayer and white supremacists to bring more bloodshed to his city Is this guy joking? A Patriot Prayer member was murdered and he's blaming that group for the bloodshed.
Meanwhile, Biden blames the violence in democrat-run cities on Trump. Joe isn't holding anyone accountable except the President, who can't do very much because these cities don't want his help.
I'll give you 1:19,000, 4 more to go, though Portland is a bit debatable as Trump forced federal agents on the city and things got a lot worse. So... Wheeler probably should be telling the Feds to stay out.
Also, Biden isn't an elected official. I don't know how many times I have say that.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera]
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I don't need to give you anymore examples. You pretended that it doesn't happen. Portland is proof that it happened.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray]
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It must be a serious problem if it’s 1:19,000.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera]
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You don't think what's happening in Portland is a problem?
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray]
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So who is Trump constantly offering help to if only one city (according to your proof, you couldn't get five) is burning? We know, Trump's "help" made Portland worse. So why would they want it?
I'd love to see Portland to get back to the way it was, but Trump isn't helping.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera] 1
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I believe Trump has offered help to Minnesota, Portland, Chicago, Seattle and Kenosha.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray]
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Minnesota is a state, but I'll give Minneapolis to you.
Which of those turned down his help?
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: christopera] 1
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I think all of them.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman]
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Most people probably wouldn't even notice. The media has become so blatantly political, especially with the election coming up, they don't have the credibility to convince anyone of anything anymore. There'll be a story like, "Three men arrested downtown suspected of trying to burn down a church" and then a story like, "Three peaceful protesters kidnapped downtown in broad daylight by unmarked officers." and people believe whatever they want.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Barnaby]
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If he goes to Kenosha I may try and meet him. Was planning a family trip to a town just 40min from Kenosha. Used to go camping in Kenosha growing up. Good times. Sad wisconsin is allowing these riots to take place.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman]
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Relating police homicide to a game of golf. Fucking
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Billy Ray]
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Yes. I am like them. Bring in the National Guard except in the Red/Redneck states to liberal cities of the West. Running joke that some southern guy got really pissed off about. Like carrying a AR-15 and murdering protesters or driving over them.
Yeehaa. Look at our big trucks and flags! Makes me laugh seeing that in Portland. Live and let live city that I was there around this time flying home to Utah. What a difference a year makes. And please don't delete this vid paid Russian/Chinese mods.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: natedawgnow]
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The analogy is quite condemning to the cop, actually. Trump is saying it should have been stupid simple to execute it right and he fucked up hardcore.
(Not saying I feel that way, personally. I have a nuanced view on it as you know.)
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421]
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Cops in la just killed another Unarmed black man for running away . Musta chocked .
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421]
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Nuanced is like your favorite word.
I worked at a golf course for 5 yrs. I get the metaphor. My point was it is in pretty poor taste.
One thing about golf that is wholly true, it is a rich mans sport and lots of rich men lack class
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Why the fuck is ANYONE being stopped for a bike violation? Seriously, cops need to fuck off with that shit.
Having said that, what kind of moron punches a cop in the face? You're just asking to get shot.
Every time someone dies, the recurring theme is they were a complete idiot, even if their death wasn't justified. (Jury's out on this one.)
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Why the fuck is ANYONE being stopped for a bike violation? Seriously, cops need to fuck off with that shit.
This is where the public frustration comes from in the first place, did you ever wonder why millions of US citizens in hundreds of different cities were protesting a few months ago? It wasn't just about Floyd, it was about horrible experiences with law enforcement.
Law enforcement isn't going to stop with that constant harassment of citizens UNLESS the public hits the streets. There is no negotiation from The Elite's perspective, so there's no table to discuss laws and policing tactics. Hitting the streets is the only way to make change.
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Why the fuck is ANYONE being stopped for a bike violation? Seriously, cops need to fuck off with that shit.
This is where the public frustration comes from in the first place, did you ever wonder why millions of US citizens in hundreds of different cities were protesting a few months ago? It wasn't just about Floyd, it was about horrible experiences with law enforcement.
Law enforcement isn't going to stop with that constant harassment of citizens UNLESS the public hits the streets. There is no negotiation from The Elite's perspective, so there's no table to discuss laws and policing tactics. Hitting the streets is the only way to make change.
I was driving back from Colorado the other day passing thru Wyoming and a cop got right behind me to check my plates. My heart still skips a beat whenever that happens and I've got weed in the car. There are plenty of things cops do that make me feel uneasy, not just to me, but to others. I still support policing overall and of course think they need to stop going after citizens for drug possession and other things... and I've found that when you approach cops with a friendly attitude, they are almost always friendly to you in return.
As for HOW to change law enforcement... if people don't want to become what they claim to hate, they need to stop targeting innocent people with their destruction. Isn't that the main talking point of why they are against police in the first place?
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421]
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That actually happened to me in college! I was biking on a sidewalk to class that was not designated for bikes, and a cop stepped out from behind a corner and grabbed my handlebars. I swerved, flipped over my handlebars, and knocked over a pedestrian due to flying over the handlebars.
Cop gave me and the guy I knocked over a warning.
I then won a 50$ gift card in my College of Science and Engineering 1001 intro/welcome week class by proving that that particular pathway should be a bike path using fluid flow calculations.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Kryptos]
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That actually happened to me in college! I was biking on a sidewalk to class that was not designated for bikes, and a cop stepped out from behind a corner and grabbed my handlebars. I swerved, flipped over my handlebars, and knocked over a pedestrian due to flying over the handlebars.
Cop gave me and the guy I knocked over a warning.
I then won a 50$ gift card in my College of Science and Engineering 1001 intro/welcome week class by proving that that particular pathway should be a bike path using fluid flow calculations.
LMAOOOOO. (At that last part.) Nice story, man.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421]
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I'm too white to get shot by police.
EDIT: Oh, if you're having trouble believing it, a quick google search would probably find you the class, the college, and if you really dig deep, a picture of me at the end of my first semester freshman year.
EDIT2: additional hint-- It happened right where the engineering building ends, before the physics building. The corner is very obvious.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421] 1
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Psilynut2 said: Cops in la just killed another black man for violating the vhicke code with his bike and dropping a gun on the ground . Just chocked I guess .
Why the fuck is ANYONE being stopped for a bike violation? Seriously, cops need to fuck off with that shit.
This is where the public frustration comes from in the first place, did you ever wonder why millions of US citizens in hundreds of different cities were protesting a few months ago? It wasn't just about Floyd, it was about horrible experiences with law enforcement.
Law enforcement isn't going to stop with that constant harassment of citizens UNLESS the public hits the streets. There is no negotiation from The Elite's perspective, so there's no table to discuss laws and policing tactics. Hitting the streets is the only way to make change.
I was driving back from Colorado the other day passing thru Wyoming and a cop got right behind me to check my plates. My heart still skips a beat whenever that happens and I've got weed in the car. There are plenty of things cops do that make me feel uneasy, not just to me, but to others. I still support policing overall and of course think they need to stop going after citizens for drug possession and other things... and I've found that when you approach cops with a friendly attitude, they are almost always friendly to you in return.
As for HOW to change law enforcement... if people don't want to become what they claim to hate, they need to stop targeting innocent people with their destruction. Isn't that the main talking point of why they are against police in the first place?
Protesting the police equals 'targeting innocent people'? That's a fallacious argument and you failed to address the main issue by asking a diversionary question.
BTW, cops have no issue arresting you over some stupid made up charge regardless of your friendly and respectful attitude.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman]
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While of course that happens, I think it's MUCH more unlikely.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: I'm too white to get shot by police.
EDIT: Oh, if you're having trouble believing it, a quick google search would probably find you the class, the college, and if you really dig deep, a picture of me at the end of my first semester freshman year.
EDIT2: additional hint-- It happened right where the engineering building ends, before the physics building. The corner is very obvious.
I was being genuine. I laughed when I read it because I believed you. I wasn't being sarcastic and I'm sorry if it came off as such.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman]
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Protesting the police equals 'targeting innocent people'? That's a fallacious argument and you failed to address the main issue by asking a diversionary question.
BTW, cops have no issue arresting you over some stupid made up charge regardless of your friendly and respectful attitude.
Can you re-frame the, "main issue" for me? I have no desire to divert, I just see the protesting effecting more innocent lives negatively, by far, than I am seeing any good come from it thus far.
And yes, sometimes cops may arrest you anyway, but it reduces the chances of them manhandling you by like 95-99%.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421] 1
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That would be my guess as well, but to be clear, it's just an educated guess.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
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That would be my guess as well, but to be clear, it's just an educated guess.
The % is not known, but the fact it reduces your chances of being manhandled (significantly) is definitely true.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
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Unjust laws, police abuse of authority etc that lead to wrongful arrest/detainment is a systemic issue that needs to be dealt with. I've experienced it myself
It isn't ok for cops to unjustly arrest you just because they don't manhandle you.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421]
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Vahn421 said: yes, sometimes cops may arrest you anyway, but it reduces the chances of them manhandling you by like 95-99%.
That would be my guess as well, but to be clear, it's just an educated guess.
The % is not known, but the fact it reduces your chances of being manhandled (significantly) is definitely true.
"we don't actually know, but we're pretty sure that when cops arrest you, things go better for you"
"No, we have no interest in studying to find out if that's actually true or not"
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said: Unjust laws, police abuse of authority etc that lead to wrongful arrest/detainment is a systemic issue that needs to be dealt with. I've experienced it myself
It isn't ok for cops to unjustly arrest you just because they don't manhandle you.
Of course.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421]
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Protesting the police equals 'targeting innocent people'? That's a fallacious argument and you failed to address the main issue by asking a diversionary question.
BTW, cops have no issue arresting you over some stupid made up charge regardless of your friendly and respectful attitude.
Can you re-frame the, "main issue" for me? I have no desire to divert, I just see the protesting effecting more innocent lives negatively, by far, than I am seeing any good come from it thus far.
And yes, sometimes cops may arrest you anyway, but it reduces the chances of them manhandling you by like 95-99%.
The issue is how do citizens address serious grievances with our unjust laws, corrupt criminal justice system and illegal policing tactics if the political system offers no representation to the people?
You're not attempting to justify police abuse based on the disposition of the citizen, are you?
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman]
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421]
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Vahn421 said: yes, sometimes cops may arrest you anyway, but it reduces the chances of them manhandling you by like 95-99%.
That would be my guess as well, but to be clear, it's just an educated guess.
The % is not known, but the fact it reduces your chances of being manhandled (significantly) is definitely true.
I've always been very polite and formal during police interactions. "Yes, sir" "No, sir", full compliance at all times. Sometimes that works out. I once got 5 fix-it tickets for registration that was 2 years out of date in 2 days. Any one of those cops could have impounded my car if they wanted to. I've been pulled over with a bench warrant and let go with a new court date. I had a cop steal my weed but give my pipe back to me.
I've also had several cops order me out of my own house at gunpoint while trying to make a cup of tea. No matter how nice the interaction was leading up to it, once they decide to put the cuffs on, they've always hurt me in some way at least a little bit. Presumably so I'll keep in mind how bad they could hurt me if they really wanted to, but that's pure speculation on my part.
There is an exception. The lady cop who arrested me didn't hurt me, but she did decline my dinner invitation for the following evening and straight up lied in my DSO hearing so fuck her too.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: ballsalsa]
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Yeah. Geography plays a large part in law enforcement and color though where I live, it is Mecca, Jerusalum, Salt Lake City where a whole cult has taken over it. They wouldn't treat you the same way and would take great enjoyment along with the wonderfully fake nice people of Utah in the states.
I could care less about your petty bitching. There is a world outside of your own but educated guess is you haven't traveled or read the news much.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Barnaby]
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Geography plays a large part in law enforcement and color though where I live, it is Mecca, Jerusalum, Salt Lake City where a whole cult has taken over it.
Wait, which is it? I like in Salt Lake City right now my self. Can definitely talk about Utah all we want.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Vahn421]
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Do you think Cox will be a great gov and did you vote for him. Huntsman gave up on a write in but I couldn't vote for him as a registered Democrat. Do you like the NSA that was built by the point of the mountain that even was mentioned in a Koontz book? How about Hatch and his legacy. What about electoral voting? What about drug free zones when everything is a drug free zone and getting a first degree felony for just having 7 hits of acid by a 100 yards of a school?
Do you think the once persecuted and had an exterminate order by Boggs when in Miizzou back then was just and now the once persecuted or now do the persecuting? I know the corruption. I have been through the system and the temples and my late seminary teacher dad. What happens when a cult takes over a whole state?
Please tell me, and don't say TRUMP 12 more years! In your big pickup truck in Spanish Fork. Please, try to surprise me about anything here. Moroni and his horn got blown away for a reason. SUFFER! I have, I don't want others to.
Jazz lost on a last second shot by 30 million dollar man but no homeless shelters in downtown. Police footage released a year after that teens shooting. Tell me anything about Utah and I will answer. I went to SLCC then the U. I research.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Barnaby]
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Guess again, smart guy.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman] 2
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Psilynut2 said: Cops in la just killed another black man for violating the vhicke code with his bike and dropping a gun on the ground . Just chocked I guess .
Why the fuck is ANYONE being stopped for a bike violation? Seriously, cops need to fuck off with that shit.
This is where the public frustration comes from in the first place, did you ever wonder why millions of US citizens in hundreds of different cities were protesting a few months ago? It wasn't just about Floyd, it was about horrible experiences with law enforcement.
Law enforcement isn't going to stop with that constant harassment of citizens UNLESS the public hits the streets. There is no negotiation from The Elite's perspective, so there's no table to discuss laws and policing tactics. Hitting the streets is the only way to make change.
Theyre a small %. Most people like cops.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: meltdowner] 1
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: qman]
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forbes and usa today = fake news
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: meltdowner]
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Big brain time.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: meltdowner] 1
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meltdowner said: forbes and usa today = fake news
Translation, any article anti Trump from news orgs is fake news. When they post protrump articles or anti dem articles you can never shut up about them and they are fact.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: meltdowner] 1
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https://news.gallup.com/poll/317135/amid-pandemic-confidence-key-institutions-surges.aspx
They just reported the poll results. Now if one wants to contest the validity of the results, that's fine.
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Re: Defying Wisconsin governor, Trump says he will still visit Kenosha [Re: Seriously_trippin] 1
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meltdowner said: forbes and usa today = fake news
Translation, any article anti Trump from news orgs is fake news. When they post protrump articles or anti dem articles you can never shut up about them and they are fact.
Translation: I dont like when others dont read my fake news links that I believe are gospel so I make up nonsense then throw in the word fact like it matters me at all.
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