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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: feevers]
#26909120 - 08/31/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It better be apple pie.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: pineninja]
#26909124 - 08/31/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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SARAtonin said: I’d consider morality to be something that changes over time based upon the collective view of a society such as homosexuality or sex before marriage being viewed as being immoral for many years where is empathy is a personal understanding pushing a person to act well towards others.
Nice salad but. The are both fluid because they are both connected.
My empathy at one time would've been lauded by society for putting my son through electric shock therapy to get rid of the gay.
though historically speaking wishing a stranger dead..id like to think has been a no no more often than a yes yes.
Electroshock therapy absolutely terrifies me.
It rips my soul apart to think people actually subjected others to thing.
Just makes me so sad.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: SARAtonin] 1
#26909135 - 08/31/20 06:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Apparently it’s a fairly successful treatment for some conditions, that people still elect to undergo
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: blewmeanie]
#26909215 - 08/31/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’ve read too much Sylvia Plath to ever want to go through anything like that, scares me to death.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: SARAtonin]
#26909285 - 08/31/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I mean I can't imagine it, but I guess if your every day circumstances are bad enough and it can offer relief, I can understand it. I'm not even sure what it's used to tread.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: blewmeanie]
#26909315 - 08/31/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Unfortunately for the vast majority of cases electro shock therapy was not a procedure a patient would elect for themselves rather than being something many many people had forced upon them. But I suppose once under the bell jar a person would be welcoming of any respite. When done properly it’s supposed to be a relatively “harmless” procedure, but many times the procedure was not done properly leaving the patients mind a placid pond void of any winds to stir it. I would say don’t get me started on the horrors of histories treatment of those suffering from mental health issues, but it appears I’ve already started.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: SARAtonin] 1
#26909333 - 08/31/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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SARAtonin said: I’d consider morality to be something that changes over time based upon the collective view of a society such as homosexuality or sex before marriage being viewed as being immoral for many years where is empathy is a personal understanding pushing a person to act well towards others.
So you're basically saying that empathy is of higher moral value than morality? lol
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26909345 - 08/31/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes "morality" can be used/weaponized as a societal tool but to me that is not the definition of morals. Or not my definition anyway.
To me having good morals is basically for all intents and purposes being or striving to be a good person. That's it. Being a good and decent human being. I know that's general and vague and many people may have a differing definition of what a good and decent human being is, but I think most I would hope understand the gist of what that would be.
Simplifying morality down to being nothing more than "laws by society to control" or whatever...nah.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: Nonagon Infinity] 1
#26909348 - 08/31/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Morality means I don't have to feel bad for someone to do something good. Empathy would mean that my compassion relies on my willingness to accept their position. Kind of like how she was LOL'ing at someone getting gunned down just because she disagrees with their values. It's a soft tribalism, while maintaining the position that you're "humanitarian" or whatever the hell you'd want to identify as..
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26909369 - 08/31/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: Morality means I don't have to feel bad for someone to do something good. Empathy would mean that my compassion relies on my willingness to accept their position. Kind of like how she was LOL'ing at someone getting gunned down just because she disagrees with their values. It's a soft tribalism, while maintaining the position that you're "humanitarian" or whatever the hell you'd want to identify as..
For sure.
If system A is a system of ever-changing societal rules about what it means to be a good person and system B is a system that requires me to "look within" and then allows me to laugh at someone being killed, then I'd rather adopt system A.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: Niffla]
#26909383 - 08/31/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude, there's a movie on netflix or prime called "Bender". I haven't seen it yet.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26909385 - 08/31/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Idk what everyone in this thread is such a grumpy glum about this lol, it just seems to be a matter of differing definitions. 
Like I said, empathy is something very sacred and important to me. To me, empathy is a force within a person that drives them to show compassion to all living things and do what they can within their own actions to make the lives of those around them more pleasant if possible. Empathy comes from known pain a person has felt and a want to shield others from knowing the same pain.
To someone else, empathy may just been seen to them as morality in action.
That’s fine, no ones wrong by their definition. Seems a still thing to argue to such a fine tip.
As long as you’re kind to others.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: SARAtonin] 3
#26909390 - 08/31/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You clearly exemplified why empathy is less fool proof than having principles with that one post, making your explanation contradictory. I just explained this. You're so compassionate. Much wow. So amaze
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: SARAtonin]
#26909394 - 08/31/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Dude, there's a movie on netflix or prime called "Bender". I haven't seen it yet.
Is it about the Bender family?
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As long as you’re kind to others.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: larry.fisherman] 2
#26909396 - 08/31/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: You clearly exemplified why empathy is less fool proof than having principles with that one post, making your explanation contradictory. I just explained this. You're so compassionate. Much wow. So amaze
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: SARAtonin] 3
#26909405 - 08/31/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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SARAtonin said: Idk what everyone in this thread is such a grumpy glum about this lol, it just seems to be a matter of differing definitions. 
I'm not being a grumpy glum, sara, I'm just pointing out that it's pretty ironic to be lecturing people about morality and empathy in the same thread where you literally mocked someone who was shot to death.
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SARAtonin said: Like I said, empathy is something very sacred and important to me. To me, empathy is a force within a person that drives them to show compassion to all living things and do what they can within their own actions to make the lives of those around them more pleasant if possible. Empathy comes from known pain a person has felt and a want to shield others from knowing the same pain.
To someone else, empathy may just been seen to them as morality in action.
That’s fine, no ones wrong by their definition. Seems a still thing to argue to such a fine tip.
I wouldn't say that such fine-detailed debates over semantics are worthless, though. If we don't understand what definitions we're using, we can't understand each other over the forums, which means we won't be able to have a meaningful discussion. Definitions matter, especially when you're talking about abstract concepts like morality.
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SARAtonin said: As long as you’re kind to others.
Laughing about the death of another human being by gunfire is not a very good example of kindness towards others. I rest my case.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
#26909419 - 08/31/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Of course it’s not, all death is sad. Even if a person may be flawed all people are only a product of their own journey.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: Niffla]
#26909420 - 08/31/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Dude, there's a movie on netflix or prime called "Bender". I haven't seen it yet.
Is it about the Bender family?
No, John Bender from the breakfast club.
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Re: Man shot in Portland Oregon at a trump protest [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26909423 - 08/31/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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#26909436 - 08/31/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it about the Bender family?
No, John Bender from the breakfast club.
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