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Agrocybe Rivulosa cultivation
#26909320 - 08/31/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi guys, I'm new to the gourmet side of this, in fact have only been contemplating it up until now. I picked some agrocybe rivulosa recently (I've a huge patch near me), and they are so tasty. I found them on woodchips and am just wondering if they would grow using a standard woodlovers tek. I have 1 printed and have taken a clone.
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Wow, just curious what gave you the idea to even eat these? They just don't seem to be common as an edible, hard to find much info... Cool though.
If they are anything like Agrocybe aegerita they shouldn't be too hard to cultivate at all. Says they grow on woodchips, so fuel pellets should work I imagine.
Give it a shot and be the first!
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#26911034 - 08/31/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bought a foraging book called "Edible mushrooms" by a guy called Geoff Dan. He mentions them being edible but he hadn't tried them. So once I knew what they were I did a quick Google and checked with a few foraging groups over here. There isn't much on them but a few people had tried them and liked them so I thought I'd give it a go, seeing as my other pick of the day was poisonous.
Ya, I will give it a go so. I've got it on AGAR atm, so I'll clean it up and see what I can do.
Thanks for your help Forrester, I'll post updates.
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Big_Dub]
#27071611 - 12/04/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just put spores to agar. Time to give this a go
I've got no experience with anything but cubes and this isn't commonly cultivated so any help from you lot would be greatly appreciated.
I'm gonna start with forresters advice above.
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Successful germination from a wild print with no obvious contams so far. Amazing since the print was just folded over sitting on a shelf for the last 2 months
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Great. Keep us updated!
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T1 from a wild print;

super happy with how easy that was. Reckon I'm gonna chuck this on grain as is, try a sawdust sub and maybe fruit in a mono. Not sure. I found them growing on a roadside embankment growing out of dumped woodchips. So I figure they probably like a flatish sub.
What would be a good casing, mulched bark?
Not a clue where to start with FAE and RH tbh.
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looking good.... only one way to find out!!
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Big_Dub]
#27102394 - 12/22/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well it likes WBS, nocc'd 2 days ago and out running my cubes by a mile. This species is quick.
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Ambrose]
#27106999 - 12/25/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking forward to seeing how this goes!
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#27107377 - 12/25/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Big_Dub]
#27113532 - 12/29/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 30 days ago) |
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Nocc'd these jars the 20th, shook at 40% on the 27th 2 days later and they're recovering nicely
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I might be a little worried about that jar... could just be grains are too wet but that look always makes me think bacteria.
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#27117355 - 12/31/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Your not the first to say that, I'm revisiting my grain prep today, got 8 quarts cold soaking atm.
I just don't really get how to judge the moisture. I thought that they just had to be dry to touch, so i boil and rinse, my cubes enjoy them as such but my pans don't, and one of the agrocybe jars isn't happy either. I'm using spitballs wbs tek this morning
It's irksome as cubes just grow, now trying other species, i'm having to change loads of bits that cubes didn't care about
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You said boil and rinse, maybe try steaming dry instead of rinsing. But if you're having issues with bacteria (which cubes are good at overcoming) it might be that it's getting introduced somewhere and doesn't have anything to do with grain prep.
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#27118370 - 12/31/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Well I prepped some new grain using a soak method this morning and took a spare plate out the fridge so. Got some wheat grain only on the way, in the mean time I'll try nocc'ing these new jars tomorrow and hopefully I'll have the moisture content nearer to where it needs to be
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If you can get whole oats reasonable, I find they are almost foolproof. WBS was difficult in my opinion.
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Quadman]
#27118450 - 12/31/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Most grains are about £25 for 25lbs here. Haven't found a grain store yet, it's all online, hence the shop bought WBS has all sorts of stuff in it. I have ordered wheat grain only now, but I'll try oats too.
What do you guys think of this?

This was prepped this morning using spitballJedi's tek. It's only out the pc a couple of hours, apparently the grains will absorb the visible moisture over the next day or so but they do seem a lot less swollen than my last batch.
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Is that crushed up corn in there? Eesh no wonder it's a mess, maybe your prep isn't the issue...
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#27121994 - 01/02/21 12:29 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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It's what was available and local when I started, and it worked. I have been doing cubes for a while with this but yes having done some reading it's probably not the best and it is proving difficult with the pans and now this. Not to worry, I've ordered 10kg of wheat and a sack of millet so I'll get it sussed, the culture seems to be recovering nicely from refrigeration so at least i can store it until the new grains arrive. I'm gonna try a soak and simmer for the wheat and then a just soak for the millet. Should be here by next week so I'll update soon
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I found wheat pretty easy to work with, soak and simmer and you shouldn't have a problem. Just let 'em steam dry after the simmer and they should be a lot better than what you're working with!
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#27123343 - 01/03/21 07:38 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I'm looking forward to it, sadly because it comes with a free bucket 😂 That book on herbal healing beers arrived btw, haven't looked at it yet, another friend suggested his book "The lost language of plants".
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Aw that's cool, I haven't even heard of that one! I'm mostly into Buhner reading for his Lyme disease protocols and such. I'll have to check that one out!
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#27139059 - 01/10/21 05:32 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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This bitch ain't dead yet! Nocc'd up 2 new jars yesterday, just straight wheat. Josex and natedawg helped me fine tune the moisture content before the PC and this morning the myc is leaping of the grains.
Sawdust also arrived arrived, I don't have bran atm but was gonna try using the rinse water from the wheat to hydrate the sawdust and hopefully it'll provided some extra oomph to the sub. I mean what your mainly rinsing off the wheat is bran anyway, right?
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No, I don't think bran rinses off with water. Maybe a little nutrition in there though.
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#27152819 - 01/17/21 06:48 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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Fair, it was something natedawg had mentioned in his wheat prep so I thought it might be worth using. I'll get a pic up soon of the new jars recovering from first shake. I feel my grain prep is a lot better this time so hopefully it won't be too long before I spawn to bulk.
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On wheat this time.
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Right, take #2.
I've got two jars colonised,
 ... and the sawdust is steeping as we speak.
Gonna keep it simple this time. 1 quart grain spawn to 4 quarts sterilised sawdust. Maybe do a verm/peat casing once colonised?
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nice.
I tried fruiting Agrocybe aegerita (black poplar mushroom) straight from the block. I got a great pinset, but many fruits ended up aborting or not growing very well.... tobe fair, i kinda put the project to the side.
Ive read Agrocybe aegerita would benefit from a casing layer, and i think that might be true.
so for your case, casing might be a good option too!!
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Big_Dub]
#27162623 - 01/21/21 11:10 PM (3 years, 6 days ago) |
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Do you have any ideas as to why they aborted? I'll make up some casing tonight. Think I read that I can freeze it until ready for use, I know I can do that with manure sub.
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Agrocybe aegerita does not normally have issues with aborting, or need a casing. I never cased mine, and they grew wonderfully. Actually, I've never cased anything. (not that a casing would hurt, I just don't like adding an unnecessary step personally)
This is the swordbelt strain, uncased:

Although their growth can vary a lot by strain. Here's another strain I didn't like so much... almost like a different mushroom:

Just make sure the pins are well developed before you allow any humidity fluctuations. Dryness is what causes most aborts at the young stage of many mushrooms.
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
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So here's a little monotub.

My spawn broke up really nicely so I'm please with that. I soaked my sawdust for 24hrs, didn't realise I could've just chucked hot water on it for a couple of hours. Oh well. I chose not to supplement as I'm using wheat grain spawn and not LC, also meant I wouldn't have to be awake till midnight sterilising. The sawdust is oak as I couldn't find alder, which other cultist seem to like. I've use a ratio of 1:4 span to sawdust.
Urm, I think that covers it so far. I'll leave the tub sealed until fully colonised.
Forrester - are you saying to leave it sealed until pins are established or should I still introduce a small amount of fae once colonised?
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I would leave it sealed until pins are well established, the gas exchange from the lid should be enough.
You can also use a layer of bubble wrap as a faux casing, I think that's what I may have done now that I this picture... (I would still leave the lid on too)
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Forrester]
#27163361 - 01/22/21 11:25 AM (3 years, 6 days ago) |
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Brill, thanks for that. I definitely would be pulled it too soon otherwise
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yeah my poplar aborted bc of me!! i forgot about them and just left em in a tub with no FAE for weeks. I actually got an incredible pinset, but they all aborted due to neglect
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Big_Dub]
#27163717 - 01/22/21 02:47 PM (3 years, 6 days ago) |
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Was it quick to pin?
I read that rivulosa was first ID'd in 05 but since then has spread prolificly through northern Europe and America so I'm hoping it's not a fussy fruiter. It came from a huge patch on a roadside
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id say so. def more than a month... again shit conditions tho
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Big_Dub]
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Well its a shitty pic as there's a lot of condensation lining the tub but the sub is colonising away. Very fluffy growth.
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Goddammit I've got trich in two corners of the tub. Growing independently from the myc though so I might try cut it out as its 2 quite small patches.
Is it likely that this has come from the sawdust, which was cold soaked? It was oak sawdust although it was more like fine wood shavings.
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Well this attempt is dead in the water. Tub was a loss.
Adas on the woodlovers thread advised soaking the sawdust twice to "leech" it. I am familiar with this for hpoo but hadn't realised sawdust can also benefit from the process.
So I'll start again. I've been told God loves a tryer... 
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Re: Agrocybe cultivation [Re: Big_Dub]
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Yep, its a learning curve, but I'll get there. I have a jar of colonised grain that looks like its going to form stones or something atm, I'm just gonna let it ride and if I get a pin I'll top fruit it for a fresh print.
Also took a new transfer, today, from my working master so as soon as I can it'll be back to grains again. Won't be too long. 8ts a pretty aggressive species
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Take 3, ill have to do up some grains this weekend, as this'll be ready to go in a few days
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Nocc'd up another 2 quarts today this feels like a long ass road
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...aaaannnddd we're back

Got two jars recovering from first shake... again.
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