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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] * 2
    #26907517 - 08/30/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Rue gives me horrible anxiety. I honestly think it's bad for you...





No it is not! It is an amazing teacher plant!

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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
    #26907520 - 08/30/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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In my opinion rue makes the experience darker. I wouldn't do it... If you want something more powerful grow panaeolus cyanescens or vaporize some dmt.





It makes it deeper and more spiritual, sometimes darker, sometimes lighter.

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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
    #26907550 - 08/30/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Honestly I don't think it could be bad for you, you may just have to be ready to dive that deep into the rabbit hole, syrian rue is usually smoked to ward off the evil eye which is believed to cast a curse leading to misfortune or injury. It's also used as an aphrodisiac and to treat epilepsy, and was also used by an Egyptian dwarf god to keep evil away from the people.




I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..





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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26907566 - 08/30/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol I've used high doses of aya in the past so I actually do.. It's 100% overrated.... The only reason people think it's special is because it's exotic. If you look at the stars on a typical dose of ayahuasca you'll see the stars and moon glowing. If you look at the stars on mushrooms you'll see the stars rush across the sky.. mushrooms are a more visual experience.. mushrooms feel like a oral form of pure dmt while ayahuasca feels like oral changa.. The Harmalas slow the visuals down.. Mushrooms are for people that want to explore the multiverse. Ayahuasca is for vegans with daddy issues :laugh2:...





You have no idea what you talking about.

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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Yugambeh]
    #26907593 - 08/30/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just tell us how you feel about it man. No need to validate rants by responding.


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Northerner]
    #26907609 - 08/30/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Just tell us how you feel about it man. No need to validate rants by responding.




Yeah he sure showed me :lol:


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
    #26907646 - 08/30/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] * 2
    #26907683 - 08/30/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah lol.

I grow my own vines and admixture plants at home, have never paid ridonkulous amounts of cash to "shamans" nor been to South America. The plants are what you make of them. The bullshit is just trimmings or possibly even a trap for people looking for direction. It doesn't invalidate the plants though, just the foolish notion that you can steal another culture's rituals and they become meaningful to you.


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
    #26907689 - 08/30/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Just tell us how you feel about it man. No need to validate rants by responding.




Yeah he sure showed me :lol:





I'm in a rough mood today :mushroom2::heart:

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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
    #26908161 - 08/30/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You're taking this stuff way too seriously. Psilocin is basically an orally active forum of dmt. It's the oldest one and it's been with humans since the very beginning. You're on a mushroom website! Does it seriously surprise you that I think mushrooms are superior lol? I mean come on man!

I believe most people are using ayahuasca because they've lost their religion. they discover ayahuasca from either some documentary or some celebrity. They go do a ceremony and meet a person that tells them a bunch of mother aya hocus pocus. They get that familiar religious feeling again so they turn it into their new religion.

Would you like to know how I know this? It's because I did the same thing 🤣.. Now that I'm a little older I look back and realize how stupid I was. Im just trying to help you snap out of it.




Not too seriously, but seriously, yes, but it deserves to be taken seriously, as all Entheogens deserve to be. They are serious tools, and the stuff within ourselves this stuff gives us access too is serious.

Psilocin has DMT in it's structure, and has similarities to DMT, but is not DMT, DMT binds to many more receptors and feels a lot different than Psilocin, and takes you to some different places than Psilocin, but Psilocin can definitely take you to some of the same places as DMT, especially when used as Psilohuasca.

I had no religion, and no spirituality, Aya helped me find it, and had i started out with LSD in particular or mushrooms, i likely would not have went as far as i did and found what i have, not just spirituality/religion, but so much more. Maybe if i had started out with mushrooms, and took it seriously and explored it for years, it would've given me some similar things, but different Entheogens give you different things, they may take you to similar territory, but i would not have gotten from mushrooms what i'd get from Psilohuasca for example, they are completely different kinds of experiences.

I've never been to a ceremony, i started out with Aya (in the form of Rue and Mimosa, then Acacia) being my first Psychedelic/Entheogen, i took it on my own, all by myself, in the comfort of my own home, and explored it deeply, regularly, for 4 years straight, i didn't need a ceremony, didn't need a shaman, and didn't need anothers culture or beliefs. I learned what i know directly from myself and the plants.


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
    #26908397 - 08/30/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You're taking this stuff way too seriously. Psilocin is basically an orally active forum of dmt. It's the oldest one and it's been with humans since the very beginning. You're on a mushroom website! Does it seriously surprise you that I think mushrooms are superior lol? I mean come on man!

I believe most people are using ayahuasca because they've lost their religion. they discover ayahuasca from either some documentary or some celebrity. They go do a ceremony and meet a person that tells them a bunch of mother aya hocus pocus. They get that familiar religious feeling again so they turn it into their new religion.

Would you like to know how I know this? It's because I did the same thing 🤣.. Now that I'm a little older I look back and realize how stupid I was. Im just trying to help you snap out of it.




Not too seriously, but seriously, yes, but it deserves to be taken seriously, as all Entheogens deserve to be. They are serious tools, and the stuff within ourselves this stuff gives us access too is serious.

Psilocin has DMT in it's structure, and has similarities to DMT, but is not DMT, DMT binds to many more receptors and feels a lot different than Psilocin, and takes you to some different places than Psilocin, but Psilocin can definitely take you to some of the same places as DMT, especially when used as Psilohuasca.

I had no religion, and no spirituality, Aya helped me find it, and had i started out with LSD in particular or mushrooms, i likely would not have went as far as i did and found what i have, not just spirituality/religion, but so much more. Maybe if i had started out with mushrooms, and took it seriously and explored it for years, it would've given me some similar things, but different Entheogens give you different things, they may take you to similar territory, but i would not have gotten from mushrooms what i'd get from Psilohuasca for example, they are completely different kinds of experiences.

I've never been to a ceremony, i started out with Aya (in the form of Rue and Mimosa, then Acacia) being my first Psychedelic/Entheogen, i took it on my own, all by myself, in the comfort of my own home, and explored it deeply, regularly, for 4 years straight, i didn't need a ceremony, didn't need a shaman, and didn't need anothers culture or beliefs. I learned what i know directly from myself and the plants.




Damn I didn't know you was a neuroscientist lol! You must be some type of genius to know what receptors dmt binds to :lol: ...


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
    #26908480 - 08/30/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree because a little can go a long way


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
    #26908481 - 08/30/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

EXACTLY


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26908622 - 08/30/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Shenmue said: Damn I didn't know you was a neuroscientist lol! You must be some type of genius to know what receptors dmt binds to :lol: ...




I do study neuroscience, and the brain and body. I'm autistic, it comes from trying to figure my own self out, and figure out the brain and body in general.


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26908652 - 08/30/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone should know whats happening to their brain and body on different substances.


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: mangaka911]
    #26909147 - 08/31/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Everyone should know whats happening to their brain and body on different substances.





Only one problem. Noone understands how dmt effects the human brain! He's literally making shit up! It's more powerful because you're vaporizing it not because dmt is more potent than Psilocybin!! Fuck I hate people :lol:...

Show me the evidence that dmt hits more receptors than Psilocybin! Show my a copy of your neuroscientist degree! If you can't even do one of those things you're making shit up!


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
    #26909168 - 08/31/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Everyone should know whats happening to their brain and body on different substances.





Only one problem. Noone understands how dmt effects the human brain! He's literally making shit up! It's more powerful because you're vaporizing it not because dmt is more potent than Psilocybin!! Fuck I hate people :lol:...

Show me the evidence that dmt hits more receptors than Psilocybin! Show my a copy of your neuroscientist degree! If you can't even do one of those things you're making shit up!




Man, you clearly don't know much do you? It does not take a genius to take oral DMT and tell it's differences (and similarities) from Psilocin, it's as clear as day and so obvious. If you don't even know that, then no, you have not investigated Aya much at all, and are quite ignorant about both Harmalas and about DMT. Forget about vaped DMT, we're not talking about vaped DMT, we're talking about oral DMT, yes it's a lot more powerful and intense compared to Psilocin particularly because DMT is a lot more Adrenergic than Psilocin. Also, there are receptor binding profiles online for both DMT, and for Psilocin, among other Psychedelics.

You really ought to tone down the cockiness and arrogance and listen to what people are saying. But sure, you have it all figured out, we're all wrong, don't know what we're talking about, you're absolutely right, you know everything. Does that tickle your ego? lol

Seriously though, you need to explore oral DMT, because you clearly have not, even if you have, you haven't gone deep enough, and dosage doesn't matter nearly as much as being open to learn, to explore, and to experiment. Do yourself a favor, educate yourself on something before you talk about it.


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
    #26909186 - 08/31/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I really must be of a rare breed, i haven't found many others that have deeply explored Aya on a daily/near daily basis for years, enough so to learn a lot about it and what it has to offer. Some people have ventured in regularly though, but not many. I can clearly tell Shenmue that you haven't dealt much with it, even if you had taken it a good bit, you haven't really dealt much with it at all.

There's a reason i say people should approach these tools as their own practice, as much as one would with meditation or yoga, and take it seriously, and learn what it has to offer, to work with it for the long term, for years, before drawing conclusions, especially concrete conclusions.

I took it for 4 years straight, and even i have barely scratched the surface of what all it has to offer, but i have learned a lot in the process and i know a lot about it. I'm definitely a lot more experienced than you are Shenmue, not to toot my own horn, but you are inexperienced in this matter and you need to own up to that and admit that to yourself. Maybe you just don't give a fuck, which that's cool i guess, but best not speak about something you don't know about or your ignorance on the subject will show.


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26909235 - 08/31/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know how you dosed harmalas daily for so long man. After about a month I start to hit a threshold. My sensitivity increases a lot and everything gets pretty intense. I've read other people who have experienced similar.
I guess if my life wasn't so full and I could roll with it a lot more it'd be easier. Maybe it's a pretty normal reaction.


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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26909270 - 08/31/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca?




No, I haven't.

The addition of harmalas make the shroom experience quite powerfull.
It can get extremly visual and long lasting, so better start with like half the shroom dose you are used to.

I don't think that harmalas (or simply rue) make the experience "darker", that's nonsense. It gets richer, deeper, different, stronger. Closer to ayahuasca, but still shroomy.

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