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Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive)
    #26908994 - 08/31/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It is impossible to smoke weed all day and remain present...
When you arent fully present you arent living to your full potential.

A big part of any addiction is procrastination.

Thinking about it though, it almost seems like cannabis is distinctly bad with that.

From a scientific perspective, it stimulates your cannabinoid receptors which are naturally there to tell your body, and mind, you are hungry or tired.

When you are always hungry or tired, it makes that sense procrastination is all the more powerful.

"Ill do it tomorrow"

Ha, we all know I wont.

I feel like at this day and age, everyone has known some stereotypical burnout dipshit that gives all smokers a bad name.

Which brings me to my next point.

Anyone who has experienced being around people like that instantly knows how to spot it.

Co workers, your boss, acquaintances, even if you smoke up before going to bed the night prior, it is still obvious in your eyes.

Nobody takes a pothead seriously.

Why would you? They are known in pop culture and urban legends for being stupid and careless.

"YOU STILL SMOKE WEED? WHAT ARE YOU IN MIDDLE SCHOOL?"

Either way, it has a time and a place.
Just not when you are trying to be present or quick.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26909005 - 08/31/20 01:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ill get back to you tomorrow.:elmo:


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: pineninja]
    #26909033 - 08/31/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've never met a virtuous marijuana smoker.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #26912809 - 09/01/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed.

Having gone clean for a while, it has become more apparent.

Weed smokers are the perfect little worker drones. You go to work, you come home, you set up on your couch, you flip on the TV, you flick the bic (or the propane torch, in my previous case) and suddenly it's time for work again.

That (and the money aspect) is why I think pot legalization has kicked into high gear, lately. Used to be that people that partook of the devil's lettuce were bad for society because we needed more work done, and then we needed a way to break up leftist conglomerates that were sick of the neo-liberal war agenda.

Now, most people in power have realized that the pot smoker is the perfect little worker drone.

And of course they don't take WorkerBot seriously. They just need to sell them a big more corporate ganja.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Kryptos]
    #26912975 - 09/01/20 11:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well put.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26938697 - 09/16/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Some of the most productive and successful people I know smoke weed... I don't smoke that often really, I don't like the paranoia it can bring on at times... When I do smoke though, it's always with those friends I told you about... They keep me from tail spinning... What's strange is weed is the only drug that does this to me...


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Nikon Addict]
    #26939896 - 09/16/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Theres a big difference between smoking some bud/oils responsibly and being stoned all the time.

I would define a "pothead" as someone who is pretty much always buzzed.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26939903 - 09/16/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm a major pothead. I blame the weed tho, not me, and also being brought up into a shitty situation around shitty people. Or was it me that was shitty? Idk. Probably. But will I stop smoking even after it has wrecked my life financially and mentally also somewhat physically?  No because im addicted. :lol::shrug:


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26939915 - 09/16/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That concentrate in your sig looks fire af :onfire:


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26940478 - 09/17/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm a major pothead. I blame the weed tho, not me




I was a major pothead, up until 18 years ago.

I challenge you to put a nug on the table and watch it turn itself into a joint, light itself and force itself inside of you.

It won't.

It takes a lot of deliberate actions, of saying YES to your addiction, to maintain it.

Of course, weed has an addictive pattern in many users, but no weed ever smoked itself.

Therein lies your salvation.

If you cease the behavior that ingests the drug, you will feel bad and you'll feel better again, like a flu but less severe, and that is the end of your addiction.

At no point does Mr Muscle barge in with a gas mask attached to a bong and force an eighth ounce into your lungs.

Also, a drug CANT MAKE YOU WANT IT. That is something psychological you do to yourself. It can make you feel awful in the knowledge that dising alleviates it, but you WANTING to relapse is lack of self control. Every time you feel like lighting up give yourself, out loud, your top 5 or top 10 reasons you quit. Indoctrinate yourself NOT to do it like taking drags indoctrinates you to give it to yourself.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Asante]
    #26943733 - 09/19/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I do pretty well addicted to weed.  And am almost equally productive as without because I will have intense productivity but then burn out when I’m sober.  Cannabis helps me level out and maintain my production for a longer term.  I make pipes and pendants and kill bedbugs though, so maybe my ‘being present’ is different than yours.  I was teaching my friend how to make bails for pendants in glass art, and he came over the next week and claimed he “didn’t remember” all of the stuff we worked on for almost TWO hours last week.  It’s a personal problem, not a weed problem.  Procrastination is another thing that is heavily CONDITIONED.  It’s not just if you’re stoned.  Maybe being stoned makes it more comfortable for people to blow shit off, but those people are the type to blow shit off anyway.  If taking a break helps you great, but you don’t need to tel yourself it’s THE ONLY WAY to be present.  If that makes you feel better while going without you can go on believing that.  Correlation is not causation.  Even making something more likely to happen isn’t causation.  You control how you allow yourself to behave, ultimately all the time.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26943895 - 09/19/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I do pretty well addicted to weed.  And am almost equally productive as without because I will have intense productivity but then burn out when I’m sober.  Cannabis helps me level out and maintain my production for a longer term.  I make pipes and pendants and kill bedbugs though, so maybe my ‘being present’ is different than yours.  I was teaching my friend how to make bails for pendants in glass art, and he came over the next week and claimed he “didn’t remember” all of the stuff we worked on for almost TWO hours last week.  It’s a personal problem, not a weed problem.  Procrastination is another thing that is heavily CONDITIONED.  It’s not just if you’re stoned.  Maybe being stoned makes it more comfortable for people to blow shit off, but those people are the type to blow shit off anyway.  If taking a break helps you great, but you don’t need to tel yourself it’s THE ONLY WAY to be present.  If that makes you feel better while going without you can go on believing that.  Correlation is not causation.  Even making something more likely to happen isn’t causation.  You control how you allow yourself to behave, ultimately all the time.




Weed is addictive and makes you lazy. I feel like your making up reasons that it's good when used every day. It's definitely not and if you smoked ever day for a decade you would agree. Fucks up your memory too in my experience.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle] * 1
    #26943909 - 09/19/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It’s funny how the alcohol culture gets a pass though 
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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Antigov] * 1
    #26944023 - 09/19/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Im a pothead and I run a department. Have a dozen employees. And constantly have to tell people to get their shit together.
I think pothead is the excuse lazy people use that happen to smoke weed. Like lazy non smokers blame other shit besides themselves.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26944105 - 09/19/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Eh, it's all about moderation. Smoke six joints to the face every day an try to get anything done bodhi. Then when you go without weed you just feel shitty but you get more done with a clearer head. You probably just take a few hits or something tho which is perfectly fine for people that can handle it.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26944180 - 09/19/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I smoke a quarter to a half a week. Mostly from a bong


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26945064 - 09/19/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank u bodhisatt that was my point.  I didn’t say it’s alright to smoke weed every day.  But it is


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26945066 - 09/19/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I do pretty well addicted to weed.  And am almost equally productive as without because I will have intense productivity but then burn out when I’m sober.  Cannabis helps me level out and maintain my production for a longer term.  I make pipes and pendants and kill bedbugs though, so maybe my ‘being present’ is different than yours.  I was teaching my friend how to make bails for pendants in glass art, and he came over the next week and claimed he “didn’t remember” all of the stuff we worked on for almost TWO hours last week.  It’s a personal problem, not a weed problem.  Procrastination is another thing that is heavily CONDITIONED.  It’s not just if you’re stoned.  Maybe being stoned makes it more comfortable for people to blow shit off, but those people are the type to blow shit off anyway.  If taking a break helps you great, but you don’t need to tel yourself it’s THE ONLY WAY to be present.  If that makes you feel better while going without you can go on believing that.  Correlation is not causation.  Even making something more likely to happen isn’t causation.  You control how you allow yourself to behave, ultimately all the time.




Weed is addictive and makes you lazy. I feel like your making up reasons that it's good when used every day. It's definitely not and if you smoked ever day for a decade you would agree. Fucks up your memory too in my experience.



I’ve been smoking everyday for almost 10 years at this point. I think it’s more like 9.7 years
I feel like your making up reasons why weed is terrible because you secretly wish you had the willpower to be productive while smoking


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Antigov]
    #26945156 - 09/19/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Eh
Speaking from experience, having drinks with your boss will get you way further than working hard.


I guess it also largely depends on your lifestyle.

Its kind of like with face tattoos, does it go along with your lifestyle?

Are you able to function like normal being half present?

Being a cook for a long time has showed me, there are professions out there where you can totally function at a high level while wasted... lol


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26961396 - 09/30/20 03:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Seems to me it works for some and not for others.... so just because you experience something one way you can't make the assumption it's the same for everyone. I would guess I'm somewhere in the middle and though not a highly productive stoner I really enjoy getting out and doing things while high - sure I do the couch thing sometimes as well. Currently limiting my weed intake as it had got to a level which I judged to be out of hand, but come the fuck on whats this "no one respects a pot head" shit. I respect pot heads just as much as I respect anyone else, if they're worthy of respect. I don't respect people who make blanket statements and post preachy shit..
Thank you, that is all.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: sam11]
    #26961414 - 09/30/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't say "no one respects a pot head"
I said "Nobody takes a pothead seriously"

Can you handle serious business while being someone who is constantly stoned?
Probably not.

All of my friends that have died violently were stoned when they were killed.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26961420 - 09/30/20 04:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Buddhists have an interesting take on cannabis usage.

They do not believe it is immoral or wrong,
But doing so "Invites clouds of ignorance into your mind"


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26961459 - 09/30/20 05:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't say "no one respects a pot head"
I said "Nobody takes a pothead seriously"

Can you handle serious business while being someone who is constantly stoned?
Probably not.

All of my friends that have died violently were stoned when they were killed.




Fair enough I miss quoted you there apologies.  Still going to say "nobody takes a pot head seriously" is a blanket statement which doesn't really have much validity, or point.
What is this serious business you speak of? I am self employed so kinda run my own business but I don't take it too seriously so maybe that doesn't qualify.... dunno man what do you consider serious business? My most serious business would be being a good father and partner and I'll admit i can be a grumpy motherfucker. This happens almost exclusively when I'm sober. So perhaps being sober all the time is not the best as I usually reflect on these things when stoned and realise I was being a dick. Honestly I don't think it's great for me to be stoned all the time either, but have met folks who function extremely well when stoned. I fail to see why you're bothering with this shit anyway. I guess I'm invested in this topic as we have a referendum coming up on legalisation and I find that statements such as yours fuel peoples already warped ideas about this substance.
I only have one friend who has died,  he didn't smoke weed. (It wasn't violent either) You must be living in a fucked up situation if you have multiple friends who are dying violently. No disrespect to that situation but perhaps you should handle some serious business and get yourself out of it.
In my fairly extensive experience smoking weed doesn't tend to make people violent or inclined to enter into violent situations so...... bit puzzling.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26961463 - 09/30/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Buddhists have an interesting take on cannabis usage.

They do not believe it is immoral or wrong,
But doing so "Invites clouds of ignorance into your mind"




great, all power to them... they also believe that existence is suffering, when you die you are reborn, and this crazy cycle only ends when "liberation" is achieved by "insight" and the extinguishing of desire. Which kinda sounds a bit bat shit crazy to me (damned sight better than most religious beliefs admittedly) and is probably why "nobody takes a buddhist seriously"


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: sam11] * 1
    #26961469 - 09/30/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Respect +1

Sometimes even if you aren't looking for trouble, the trouble finds you..

Are you ready to deal with something unexpected, catastrophic or even downright crazy?
Maybe it happens right after you take an enormous dab or face a joint....

I had an everyday habit for almost 15 years, the last 5 of which heavy with concentrates, for a long time I was in denial how much it really effected me.

I haven't touched the stuff in almost a year.
Anytime you alter your cognitive function on a daily basis it eventually starts to inhibit how your brain should naturally function.
Like ive said, time and a place.
I guess what it really comes down to is, do the benefits outweigh the negatives for you personally?

Is it as bad as being an alcoholic or doing h?
Fuck no

But there certainly are negatives to smoking up all day every day, and anyone who cannot see that is 100% in denial.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26961759 - 09/30/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Weed is addictive and makes you lazy. I feel like your making up reasons that it's good when used every day. It's definitely not and if you smoked ever day for a decade you would agree. Fucks up your memory too in my experience.



For me, my memory works fine if I'm stoned all day every day, as long as I'm not depressed. Depression *really* fucks with my memory, to the point I won't be able to remember something I did an hour or two ago, ironically cannabis helps the depression not be as bad.

Another thing is dosage, I used to love getting blasted on weed and back then I would forget everything, watching movies repeatedly days in a row because I was too high to remember I'd seen them in the first place! But then cannabis started giving me paranoia and I learned to manage it better, now a slightly noticeable buzz and mood improvement is all I need and want from herb, and I don't have those issues any more. I'm able to maintain an exercise routine, motivation at work, high mental acuity, etc. I find exercise and diet to be more important in all of that than whether I smoke or not.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26963242 - 10/01/20 03:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Like ive said, time and a place.
I guess what it really comes down to is, do the benefits outweigh the negatives for you personally?

Is it as bad as being an alcoholic or doing h?
Fuck no

But there certainly are negatives to smoking up all day every day, and anyone who cannot see that is 100% in denial.



Time and a place for me personally, sure I agree with that and sure have had my issues with over use etc and it is easy to fall into denial about negative effects. However if I keep things in check then yes benefits out weigh the negatives... I guess that's your point though right? Keeping things in check.
Still I wouldn't want to assume everybody has the same experience as me and should therefore do what I think is best, or even care if I take them seriously or not. Smoking weed all day to me is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things. There are plenty of other things people do that piss me off way more.(and they aren't drugs)


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    #26968555 - 10/04/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This shit cracks me up.  I think I’ve handled about 9000 dollars worth of business in the last 5 days

I was hitting the pen while I was swiping people credit cards and having them sign the contracts/ send the money over too soooo......


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26968561 - 10/04/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I also tell most customers that I make pipes too...most of em realize that it just means they’re hiring a person of a multitude of talents.  Even when they don’t smoke.  You’d be surprised about people who have “serious” jobs and they’re REAL opinion on cannabis behind closed doors.  If no one took you seriously; it’s probly cuz you weren’t very worthy of being taken seriously lmfao.  If people don’t take me seriously I actually tell them to keep their money because I don’t need it if they’re gonna act like that.

Enjoy judging people and paying twice what you would hiring me and you still get an inferior product / service.  That’s to all the people who think like you do.  Stoners tend to also be the most reasonable business people to work with when your in a jam.  So don’t hire that mechanic cuz his eyes are glassy.  Odds are he probably still knows what the fuck is up because he has a valuable skill and doesn’t give a shit what you think.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26969010 - 10/04/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Well different strokes for different folks. Just because you don't have a problem with your consumption doesn't mean every one else is the same. You literally just got butthurt as fuck. I probably wouldn't take you seriously if your hitting a pen on the job just seems like you don't have any self control to me.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26969281 - 10/04/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ive worked with about 100 different pothead cooks over the years that genuinely believed smoking up made them better at their jobs.

In reality they were the ones constantly getting shit confused and fucking up orders on a regular basis.

There's a term for it I cant quite recall.

Like when someone does PCP they think they are functioning normally in their own mind, but the reality looks way different from another persons perspective.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26969349 - 10/04/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

On another note...
Doesn't it seem kind of silly doing business with someone who doesn't even have enough self control to not be stoned for a few hours during the day?

I could understand if it was medical, But cmon...
Outside of that I think it really just shows lack of self control.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26969532 - 10/04/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Strange why you don't have that point of view for someone on coffee when it likely makes them more anxious and depressed. Or someone who smokes nicotine when it makes it more likely they'll have a heart attack and plain not show up the next day.

Different drugs affect people differently. Some of the most badass computer engineers I've met have been stoners, and that shit requires some serious presence of mind. I can't work blasted out of my mind, but they can. They couldn't slam down the massive amounts of coffee I could back in the day either though.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #26969941 - 10/04/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Coffee and cigarettes aren't psychedlic drugs......
Apples and bowling balls


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26970125 - 10/05/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Well different strokes for different folks. Just because you don't have a problem with your consumption doesn't mean every one else is the same. You literally just got butthurt as fuck. I probably wouldn't take you seriously if your hitting a pen on the job just seems like you don't have any self control to me.


oh no man you are entitled to your opinion.  I’m just letting you know your opinion is extremely NARROW MINDED.
@buckoNot when they’re the best at what they’re doing and giving you a better deal than anyone else would and have five star reviews.  And no I don’t hit it in front of them.  I was using hyperbole to make a point.  It’s rude to consume substances in someone else’s home without asking.  That’s another issue entirely. I’m sure a few have smelled it on my breath a tiny bit as I exhaled the pen outside by the work van.  Idc what they think and they clearly don’t think too badly to leave a five star reviews

Edit: just read why your perspective is what it is...you worked with STONER COOKS, not even chefs.  They are just underachievers, they might perform marginally better sober but that’s because they suck so much at life


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26970133 - 10/05/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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On another note...
Doesn't it seem kind of silly doing business with someone who doesn't even have enough self control to not be stoned for a few hours during the day?

I could understand if it was medical, But cmon...
Outside of that I think it really just shows lack of self control.



Just because something is medical doesn’t mean that it isn’t recreational as well.  They aren’t mutually exclusive.  I explain shit better when I’m stoned because my patience for “smart sober” people goes WAY UP


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26970526 - 10/05/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Coffee and cigarettes aren't psychedlic drugs......
Apples and bowling balls



Take a week off coffee and see how well you function. After that same week try drinking 2-3 cups before work and see how well you function. I'm willing to bet you don't have the self control to go a week without the substance.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26973036 - 10/06/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The reason I say that is simply because it beats the shit out of being bombed on opioid pain killers all the time.

But you are right, I'd wager 80-90% of 20-30 somethings that are "Medical" users are just using it as an excuse.

But there are people who genuinely use it because its a must.

Ive known a couple of people with Fibromyalgia that replaced their Hydrocodone with cannabinoids and never looked back.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26974823 - 10/08/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure what the point is OP is trying to make.

If potheads are good worker bees, and being sober is being sober, how do you make money when you're sober? No work? Or is it just a higher rung on the corporate ladder that is really destroying everything? Unfettered capitalism will destroy a planet with finite resources, that's just basic math.

If I have figured out how to get high, and get paid for eight hours of work that only took me an hour, I am not sure why cannabis is bad, at least in my situation.

I chief at work, my boss chiefs at work, we get shit done, that's all I gotta say. It makes me focused on my paperwork and keeps me zen. If it's bad to live in the moment then i don't want to not smoke. I don't smoke more than, probably $4 of weed a day, because I just consume oil carts and take gel capsules occasionally. I never go home and zone out watching television or get incredibly high and do nothing. Usually I am working on my music I am obsessed with making sound perfect, with music theory cannabis helps imo.


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This shit cracks me up.  I think I’ve handled about 9000 dollars worth of business in the last 5 days

I was hitting the pen while I was swiping people credit cards and having them sign the contracts/ send the money over too soooo......




No kidding I am high and I file tax documents and check to see if over $5000 of sales is legit and matches the books, sometimes up to $15-$20k a day.

I am usually very high doing this


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    #26974839 - 10/08/20 02:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes potheads sneak in and get taken seriously because no one knows(or cares) they are potheads, cause they can handle their shit. Also, the attitude towards cannabis users is rapidly changing as the plant gains more acceptance and users.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: skOsH]
    #26974843 - 10/08/20 02:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How do you stay properly stoned all day on 4$?
Either you have a very low tolerance or you have the best plug in the world.
Even with my $450 volcano living in one of the most cannabis abundant states it was costing me way more than that.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: skOsH]
    #26974849 - 10/08/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It sounds like your job largely isolates you from interacting with the public.
One thing I think most long time cannabis users can confirm is it does make you antisocial.

Funny thing is, it seems like people who give it up tend to become a lot more charismatic.
I have witnessed this drastic change in many people over the years.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26974854 - 10/08/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Does Habitual Marijuana Use Make You Anti-Social?
"Exposure to THC led to decreased social interactions for up to 24 hours in mice, new research found."

"Studies have shown that marijuana can help patients feel less lonely and depressed, but that doesn’t equate to cannabis making you a social butterfly. In fact, a new study found the opposite — habitual marijuana use could cause users to become less sociable than others."

https://420intel.com/articles/2020/07/16/does-habitual-marijuana-use-make-you-anti-social


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    #26977451 - 10/09/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Based on personal experience, weed use makes me antisocial. It also makes me think I'm actually being more social.

Quitting smoking for most of a year definitely raised the number of girls I have coming by my place from "zero" to "several".


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Kryptos]
    #27081554 - 12/10/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Weed is the most addictive substance on the planet in my opinion.

The only drug I can never manage to quit is weed.

The reason weed makes everyone lazy is because it is a sedative drug.
Weed drains your energy.
So if you smoke in the morning you WILL be depleted of energy for the rest of the day.

What do you expect.
If you want to actually get shit done in life. Do it sober. Clear headed.

Then after you do your tasks/shit you need to get done.
~ Have a smoke as a self reward after you have done your tasks for the day and you deserve to relax for the rest of the day.


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    #27081729 - 12/10/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #27082055 - 12/10/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Weed is the most addictive substance on the planet in my opinion.

The only drug I can never manage to quit is weed.

The reason weed makes everyone lazy is because it is a sedative drug.
Weed drains your energy.
So if you smoke in the morning you WILL be depleted of energy for the rest of the day.

What do you expect.
If you want to actually get shit done in life. Do it sober. Clear headed.

Then after you do your tasks/shit you need to get done.
~ Have a smoke as a self reward after you have done your tasks for the day and you deserve to relax for the rest of the day.




The most addictive substance has to be alcohol because it can quite literally kill people from not drinking it

Also, perhaps benzodiazepines (for the same reason) and then sugar...then other substances

I can do all my tasks whilst stoned. It's a mix of human interaction and paperwork, just like any other job almost.

Also yes I have quality stuff and a low tolerance--someone also brought that up. I used to smoke a ton. Now, I take a hit, notice my high, then stop. Most people take additional hits and then it skyrockets their tolerance.

Also for most of my shifts, I do use weed as reward.


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    #27082888 - 12/10/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It sounds like your job largely isolates you from interacting with the public.
One thing I think most long time cannabis users can confirm is it does make you antisocial.

Funny thing is, it seems like people who give it up tend to become a lot more charismatic.
I have witnessed this drastic change in many people over the years.




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    #27082944 - 12/10/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

RogerTheRetard said:
Weed is the most addictive substance on the planet in my opinion.

The only drug I can never manage to quit is weed.

The reason weed makes everyone lazy is because it is a sedative drug.
Weed drains your energy.
So if you smoke in the morning you WILL be depleted of energy for the rest of the day.

What do you expect.
If you want to actually get shit done in life. Do it sober. Clear headed.

Then after you do your tasks/shit you need to get done.
~ Have a smoke as a self reward after you have done your tasks for the day and you deserve to relax for the rest of the day.




The most addictive substance has to be alcohol because it can quite literally kill people from not drinking it

Also, perhaps benzodiazepines (for the same reason) and then sugar...then other substances

I can do all my tasks whilst stoned. It's a mix of human interaction and paperwork, just like any other job almost.

Also yes I have quality stuff and a low tolerance--someone also brought that up. I used to smoke a ton. Now, I take a hit, notice my high, then stop. Most people take additional hits and then it skyrockets their tolerance.

Also for most of my shifts, I do use weed as reward.




Nicotine is the most addictive substance. For pretty much every drug (including alcohol), ~10% of users will develop some sort of dependency/daily use. For nicotine, that number is ~30%.


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    #27082970 - 12/10/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Everything is bad for you. Weed is less bad for you, then, say, a brick upside the head (or even cigarettes), but to pretend that it isn't bad for you is stupid.

Of course, it's fun, and there is value in that, but there are other ways to achieve fun besides smoking weed. Some are better, and some are worse.


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    #27084131 - 12/11/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I mean, I smoke about 95% less than what I did 10 years ago

I used to smoke like a quarter a day. I would love to kick it entirely and just eat some shrooms occasionally

It's definitely not a terrible habit


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    #27084539 - 12/11/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think one reason that potheads are rarely taken seriously is their...occasionally extreme reactions towards any sort of criticism of weed. This is best evidenced by a single phrase:

Weed is bad for you.

Now, to many people, this is a simple and not particularly important fact. To a small subset of stoners, a subset that I unfortunately belonged to for about a year or two in late high school, that's an attack on their identity. I'm not saying "weed is bad, therefore you should never smoke it". I'd be smoking right now, as I type out "weed is bad for you" repeatedly, if I didn't recently turn all my wax into space cookies. Which is why I'm eating a space cookie while typing out "weed is bad for you". I am consuming weed, even though it is bad for you. The same way that I bought a bag of chips and some beer on the way home from work today, even though I will readily admit that a bag of processed greasy potatoes is bad for you. Even though I will readily say that alcohol is probably the worst and most dangerous drug on the planet (along with nicotine, speaking of which, my vape is next to my mousepad).

Weed is bad for you. Chips are bad for you. Beer is bad for you.

I finished a weed cookie as I type this, I have a bag of chips for when the cookie kicks in, and I'm washing the cookie down with a beer. Because none of those things are a fundamental part of my identity as a person. They're just Friday night activities in the age of 'rona. I don't consider any of those statements to be attacks on my character. A small subset of stoners, on the other hands, seems to.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Kryptos]
    #27084892 - 12/12/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I kinda disagree entirely but ya kno u do you
Definitely can be addictive.  Side effects of having an addiction/ lifestyle that goes along with it are almost guaranteed to be bad.  Cannabis isnt inherently bad for you.  Especially when we are talking in the form of a space cookie.  I wouldn't put that in the same ballpark as processed chips or literally toxic solvent


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    #27091009 - 12/15/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There is so much bias in this thread it's not even funny. Everyone reacts differently to marijuana and everyone reacts differently to daily consumption of marijuana. There are lots of people who can go to work High everyday and remain productive and there are other people who can't even smoke weed without feeling like a retard. No offense to anyone who is mentally challenged. I one time worked with a girl who said she doesn't smoke weed because she doesn't like how it makes her feel stupid. In my eyes she doesn't have to smoke any weed to be stupid because she was already fucking stupid to begin with.

When I'm going to school, I actually love studying when I'm high. It makes me more focused and it takes away my stress level so I can think about the concepts more clearly. I studied trigonometry a lot when I was high. I got an A in that class. You see when I'm sober my brain goes a million miles an hour and when I'm high I can actually slow down enough to think about things more clearly. When I'm sober my thoughts are all over the fucking place.

After nearly daily smoking since 2017 I will say probably the only negative is that my memory is cloudy but at the same time my memory is also way better than most other people's memories. I'm pretty good at remembering shit that happened a long time ago shit that my friends tell me they can't remember.

I used to go to work High a lot but I stopped doing that because a few times when I have gone to work High I don't know why but I have gotten this feeling like I feel like I'm going to faint and then my vision turns into a scrambled TV station and then I see stars in my vision and I have to sit down for like an hour. then I need to explain to my boss that I feel like I'm going to faint and need to sit down. I don't even tell them that I'm high of course. This has only happened when I've gone to work completely stoned and it has never happened while sober.

Right now, because of the quarantine, I have nothing to do and everything is closed so it just gives me an excuse to be a lazy pothead. But if we weren't in a pandemic I would be going out and doing shit.

I also think it depends where you live. I'm in California and I think people here actually take marijuana smokers more seriously because if somebody can take their lives seriously and do everything they are supposed to do while still smoking weed then they must be able to handle their weed pretty good.

Nobody bats an eye when they see an extremely high functioning alcoholic.


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    #27091102 - 12/15/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah and if you wear glasses and look like a nerd like me and you smoke weed I think people take you way more seriously than even people who don't smoke weed at all who don't look like a nerd. People will take me more seriously than they will the grungy looking pothead with long hair.


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    #27091127 - 12/15/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:


Weed is bad for you.
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I am barely a stoner (I only smoke for spicing it up during sex every 5 or 6 days tops), but I think this statement is plain-out WRONG.
Weed is NOT BAD for you.
IMO, the correct and intellectually honest way to make this statement is:
"Weed has both negative and positive aspects."

Negative aspects: Scientific evicende of long-lasting effects on brain chemistry (increased threshold for a neuronal action potential, for example)
Bad for lungs/throat (if smoked).
Increases hunger (can make you prone to overeating)

Positive aspects: You name it. For some people, weed is a shining, mind-expanding experience akin to classical psychedelics. Hell, I know I feel that way when having sex on weed.
For others, it can help them relax. Others have increased focus or motivation.
Others just find it fun.

How can anyone say "it's bad" and leave it at that while comparing it to literal poison (alcohol) or junk food?
You have to decide if the bad aspects outweight the positive aspects, like with pretty much everything else in life.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27091155 - 12/15/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Okay. Let's take the same approach to alcohol, which you refer to as "poison".

Negative aspects: Scientific evidence of brain damage, organ damage, shortened life expectancy, dependency, increased cancer risk, etc.

Positive aspects: You name it. Social lubricant, mind expanding experience on par with psychedelics (especially when the DTs kick in), for some, it can help them relax, others have increase focus or motivation...

How can anyone ever call alcohol poison and leave it at that, especially when comparing it to something like weed or junk food?

You have to decide if the bad aspects outweigh the good aspects.

The absolute idiocy of arguing that the statement "weed is bad for you" is wrong WHILE LISTING NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF SMOKING WEED is why I can't take potheads seriously, even though I smoke weed. The fact that the positives outweigh the negatives for you does not mean the negatives don't exist.

Edit: The point is, the statement "weed is bad for you" is not a value judgement. It's a statement of fact, in the sense that scientific studies have shown that weed consumption has negative long term health effects. That's it.

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I think one reason that potheads are rarely taken seriously is their...occasionally extreme reactions towards any sort of criticism of weed. This is best evidenced by a single phrase:

Weed is bad for you.

Now, to many people, this is a simple and not particularly important fact. To a small subset of stoners, a subset that I unfortunately belonged to for about a year or two in late high school, that's an attack on their identity.




Edit2: Within this thread, someone is saying that they have literally almost had serious medical emergencies (which fainting, or any loss of consciousness is) at work because they were high, while simultaneously saying that being high isn't that big of an issue and that apart from nearly having a medical emergency at work multiple times (you think your boss is gonna let you "sleep it off" or call an ambulance if you faint?), it's not really a problem. That, in my book, is called being fucking stupid. Of course, being so stoned you pass the fuck out isn't really a medical emergency, but the poster went out of their way to mention they never told their boss the reason. For all the boss knows, they just had a heart attack. Which is also a side effect of smoking weed.


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    #27091252 - 12/15/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Within a 10 year period of time, the whole feeling fainty and seeing stars thing only happened about 3 times out of the hundreds of times going to work stoned. The first couple times that happened I did not contribute it to weed but maybe low blood sugar but then the last time I realized what was up and then said no more being high at work. I never actually fainted and each time the episode lasted about an hour then I felt fine.


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    #27091300 - 12/15/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If you were one of my team members, I would have sent you for blood work the moment you felt faint, and fired you the moment they saw drugs in your system. Partly because that's protocol.

Of course, in my line of work, passing out could mean several thousands of gallons of chemical reactor vessel exploding. It's unlikely, because there's multiple failsafes, but an operator showing up high...this is one of those "not my fault, but most definitely my immediate problem to solve" moments. The solution to that problem is very clearly laid out in the employee handbook.

I don't really care what you do in your free time. I know several of my operators smoke weed, and I trust them to keep that shit under control, which is why they're conveniently never in the random drug test sample. Of course, if it ever becomes a problem, guess who gets "randomly selected". That cavalier attitude of "oh, it's only happened a few times", when referring to, once again, what looks like a serious medical emergency, is why I don;t take potheads seriously. It's an attitude I had, too. Until I grew out of it.

Edit: I know several people in positions similar to mine that take a much stricter view of drug use and will seek out and fire anyone that smokes weed. Personally, I don;t think that's necessary. I don't think weed use is an inherently bad idea that will always lead to problems. I do, however, recognize that it can very easily lead to problems, such as the one you have described in detail.


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    #27091330 - 12/15/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

These were just retail jobs. A high industry job like yours, yeah, of course you need to be sober.


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    #27091335 - 12/15/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Okay. .. ETC.




You misunderstood my post I think, or did not really read it. The blanket statement "X is bad" is ENTIRELY different from accepting that "X has negative aspects and positive aspects"

Under your premise, every single drug, medicine, food, and activity on the planet "IS BAD" because it has at least one negative aspect. Take, for example, the laxative plant senna. Prolonged use (over two weeks) leads to intestinal problems. But the plant will quickly get you out of a constipation problem in a pinch. So, is by your definition senna bad or good?

This is a typical false dychotomy, a logical fallacy. I am not advocating for doing high risk jobs/tasks while stoned, by the way. But the ridiculous statement that a drug as relatively harmless as weed is "bad" and technically on the same level as something as addictive as alcohol (of which abstinence can LITERALLY kill you) is ridiculous. Alcohol has been linked to more cases of violence, accidents, and disease than probably any other psychoactive drug. It is bad in a much broader and general sense than your "weed is bad" statement. If people would just use cannabis more than alcohol this shithole world would be much better.

edit: and I'll add that I think one's responsibilities, especially if they can put others in danger, should be tackled while completely sober.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27091341 - 12/15/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Under your premise, every single drug, medicine, food, and activity on the planet "IS BAD"




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Everything is bad for you.




That is, quite literally, an argument I have presented in this thread, yes. The point being that failure to recognize that is stupid.

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These were just retail jobs. A high industry job like yours, yeah, of course you need to be sober.




Thing is, from a corporate perspective, there's no difference. The stoner is the scapegoat. Every company (in the US) has either an explicit or unofficial policy of drug testing everyone within 20 feet of anything going wrong and blaming it on whoever fails. Assuming that they are replaceable. Boss man's safe, no matter how drunk they were when they started driving the forklift. Failure to recognize that is also stupid.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27091408 - 12/15/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There are some things that are worse than “stoners”

People who judge other people that they don’t know.

But it’s not a total loss though. Anyone who doesn’t like me based on appearance, or if I smoke pot or whatever it may be makes it so much easier to get those negative “better than you” folks out of your life.

I haven’t smoked pot in a while but I would never hang out with a dude that has that kind of negativity in their heart.


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    #27091412 - 12/15/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That is, quite literally, an argument I have presented in this thread, yes. The point being that failure to recognize that is stupid.





It's not stupid at all, you're just offering a false dichotomy of "It's either bad or it's not."

Perhaps you should really try to think what "bad" means to you. Are bad and good mutually exclussive charactersitics? If so, I suggest you pick other words like "has a negative side" instead of "is bad", for the sake of this thread and like, any conversation in general.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27091456 - 12/16/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think that bad and good are mutually exclusive characteristics. I don't think using different words, like "has a negative side" is any more accurate. All it does is limit the model by adding unnecessary complexity.

The only dichotomy I present is simply that for an average human, with no other external or internal factors at play, smoking weed is worse than not smoking weed. Of course, this is an idealized situation neglecting literally all other factors, therefore largely incompatible with reality.

Think of my position like a question in a physics textbook. A weight thrown upward at 100m/s second will decelerate at 9.8m/s^2, until it begins to fall, and returns to its previous position.

Of course, if I go outside and throw a ball in the air, it won't reach the same height. It won't land in the exact place it was thrown from. The physics textbook neglects things like air resistance, wind, weight distribution, friction forces from my hand, the hydraulic force applied to the ball by my heart through the veins in my hand...etc. There are countless external factors that are ignored by the physics textbook. Some of which, we don't even know about. Some of which we cannot account for due to Heisenberg uncertainty.

Doesn't mean the physics textbook is wrong. The concept is still correct, even though it is only completely accurate in an imagined scenario that can never exist in the real world.


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    #27091471 - 12/16/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Oh okay, gotcha. I see where you're coming from now. IMO, I don't really see the value in judging a substance in a vacuum though. We might as well argue that breathing is bad because it causes oxidative reactions that give rise to free radicals and therefore aging or whatever lol.

That said, if we take a few external factors into account, I believe moderate weed usage could be more beneficial than detrimental to the average person in modern Western capitalist societies, just by virtue of reducing stress levels (one of the most highly correlated factors with various cancers and chronic disorders). The damage or long-term chemical alterations noted in neurological studies mostly came from what I'd personally gauge as overly frequent users. 

Then again, it's just my 2 cents and don't wanna judge anybody; I'm just projecting what would be my decision making onto the general population.

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    #27093094 - 12/16/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't really see the value in judging a substance in a vacuum though.




I think it's better than the alternative. As soon as you start including other factors, you limit the applicability of a statement. To use your stress example: Yes, for many, possibly even most, people weed relieves stress.

Unfortunately, for one of my highschool friends, smoking weed caused continuous, hours long, panic attacks combined with extreme paranoia. That wasn't him getting too stoned, either. Secondhand smoke would trigger severe panic attacks.

Not exactly a great way to blow off some steam, for him.

This is actually part of where my thoughts on this topic come from: the first few times, my friend group tried giving him weed to calm him down, without realizing we were making the issue worse. He'd tag along, start panicking from being near us while we were smoking, we'd say "here, smoke this", and it got worse.

On the other hand, I knew a severely epileptic girl in college who carried an entire pharmacy in her purse at all times and had seizures several times per week. Then she started smoking weed, and suddenly she didn't need the pills, or having a friend around at all times that knew how to spot and respond to epileptic seizures.

If you have a specific issue that weed has been known to help (I count "I'm bored on a weekend" as an issue here, because that's usually the problem weed fixes for me), by all means go ahead. Just because it's a net benefit for you, or maybe even most people, doesn't mean it's a net benefit for everyone. Part of the reason that I maintain the position that "weed is bad for you" is because in my experience, the vast majority of people overlook the possible negatives because they're automatically comparing it to things like alcohol or cigarettes. The way most potheads talk about weed, again, in my experience, it's the second coming of Jesus Christ in plant form. And that's just not true.


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Re: Nobody takes a pothead seriously. (Retrospecive) [Re: Kryptos]
    #27093433 - 12/17/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Put modern day pills used by people into the equation. The shit pharmaceutical companies are pushing, their side effects, how addictive they are. Smoke some pot. Fuck what people have to say. There’s always gonna some loser talking about you behind your back nothing new there


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    #27093439 - 12/17/20 03:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't really see the value in judging a substance in a vacuum though.




I think it's better than the alternative. As soon as you start including other factors, you limit the applicability of a statement. To use your stress example: Yes, for many, possibly even most, people weed relieves stress.

Unfortunately, for one of my highschool friends, smoking weed caused continuous, hours long, panic attacks combined with extreme paranoia. That wasn't him getting too stoned, either. Secondhand smoke would trigger severe panic attacks.

Not exactly a great way to blow off some steam, for him.

This is actually part of where my thoughts on this topic come from: the first few times, my friend group tried giving him weed to calm him down, without realizing we were making the issue worse. He'd tag along, start panicking from being near us while we were smoking, we'd say "here, smoke this", and it got worse.

On the other hand, I knew a severely epileptic girl in college who carried an entire pharmacy in her purse at all times and had seizures several times per week. Then she started smoking weed, and suddenly she didn't need the pills, or having a friend around at all times that knew how to spot and respond to epileptic seizures.

If you have a specific issue that weed has been known to help (I count "I'm bored on a weekend" as an issue here, because that's usually the problem weed fixes for me), by all means go ahead. Just because it's a net benefit for you, or maybe even most people, doesn't mean it's a net benefit for everyone. Part of the reason that I maintain the position that "weed is bad for you" is because in my experience, the vast majority of people overlook the possible negatives because they're automatically comparing it to things like alcohol or cigarettes. The way most potheads talk about weed, again, in my experience, it's the second coming of Jesus Christ in plant form. And that's just not true.




Some people shouldn’t smoke pot, it’s not for everybody. That’s OK
Some people over do it. So what? Is it really anyone’s business?

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    #27093881 - 12/17/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Judge not lest you be judged. Judge me and I’ll judge you.




Dude, if a neutral statement like "weed is bad for you" is what you call judgement, then I have no idea how you've survived.


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To a small subset of stoners, a subset that I unfortunately belonged to for about a year or two in late high school, that's an attack on their identity.




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    #27095131 - 12/17/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Citizen X said:
Judge not lest you be judged. Judge me and I’ll judge you.




Dude, if a neutral statement like "weed is bad for you" is what you call judgement, then I have no idea how you've survived.


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To a small subset of stoners, a subset that I unfortunately belonged to for about a year or two in late high school, that's an attack on their identity.







Sorry Krytrons lol, that wasn’t directed at you personally it’s just the quick reply function doing it’s thing. It’s directed at the op who made the thread. My apologies to you sir. You’re not a bad dude, and I survived by doing my own thing, staying true to myself, working hard, and staying away from people who aren’t genuine good people.

That’s why I don’t get on the Shroomery much anymore. It used to be ok but it’s just not for me anymore. The quality of conversation isn’t there anymore. Again not directed at you specifically 
I don’t fit in here and that’s ok. Everything doesn’t have to be for everybody and we’re free to make our own choices. Later brother.


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    #27099897 - 12/20/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It's interesting that you use the phrase "judge not lest ye be judged" in this thread.

Specifically, because it also falls into the category of truisms that are only true when stripped of all meaning. Just like "weed is bad for you".

Thing is, I judge people daily. So do you. Sometimes, that judgement is warranted, like when some dude walks around with a rifle. Personally, I judge the fuck out of someone walking around with a rifle. I judge them as a dangerous individual that should be avoided, because they already have half of the "madman with a gun" equation complete. They already have the gun.

If you aren't willing to put at least a bit of thought into every situation you are put into, then don't judge. Then weed is bad for you. Making no judgement is better than making an uninformed judgement. That's also not a bad thing. For example: I don;t make decisions on the clothing I wear to work. I wear the same thing every day. Not literally, I have 3 pairs of identical work pants, and I have about a dozen "science shirts", which are all slightly different, but are all free t-shirts I got at random science conferences. That's what I wear to work. Work pants and a science shirt. Same hoodie. I'm not willing to expend the few seconds of mental effort it would take to plan out an outfit. So I don't.

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    #27133565 - 01/07/21 05:57 PM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Like, who cares? Do whatever you want, wear whatever you want. Like I give a fuck. Seriously don’t give two shits about what you do or what you wear, if you smoke or don’t. If you like me or don’t.

I’ve got better shit to deal with. So kindly fuck off and live your life and I’ll leave you to it. Fair enough?


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