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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26907488 - 08/30/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: They were all breaking the law, but Kyle is the one who engaged in the kind of violence a curfew is intended to prevent.
He was responding to violence against him. I'm going to keep saying it because you keep pretending it didn't happen.
Being violent toward someone is also illegal. You could probably make a case it's more illegal past curfew.
Responding to that violence with self-defense is justified.
There’s no way you should ever be allowed to own a gun. You think you can do whatever you want.
King of make believe, right here.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26907489 - 08/30/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You can’t just say curfew doesn’t count. Grow up dude.
If everyone is breaking curfew, it's kind of stupid to call out Kyle on it specifically.
HES THE ONLY ONE WHO KILLED PEOPLE. HOLY FUCK.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26907499 - 08/30/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You can’t just say curfew doesn’t count. Grow up dude.
If everyone is breaking curfew, it's kind of stupid to call out Kyle on it specifically.
HES THE ONLY ONE WHO KILLED PEOPLE. HOLY FUCK.
In self-defense. Holy fuck.
See, the problem with your position is the alternative scenario is Kyle gets stomped.
If that wasn't true, I could actually possibly be on your side.
But the fact that Kyle was about to get stomped is all I really need. It should be all anyone needs.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907503 - 08/30/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kyle took on the risk of getting stomped when he violated the law and forfeited his ability to claim self defense.
Are you just really stubborn or mentally deficient and can’t understand a rather simple concept
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907510 - 08/30/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm actually happy we got to the bottom of this, finally.
From your perspective, despite the fact Kyle was about to get the shit beat out of him, or worse, you are on the side of that happening rather than him defending himself.
I could never agree with that perspective. It doesn't matter who it is, you have the right to defend yourself.
Speaking of perspective, let me add something else here. The man with the handgun that rushed Kyle and got his forearm blown off... had he shot Kyle and killed him, I'd let him off the hook, too, because from HIS perspective, he was also defending innocent lives.
It's a shame no one knew better, I'd almost say that's what the Deep State wants is us both blaming the other side when really almost everyone was innocent.
The only ACTUAL guilty person in the Kyle scenario is the first person that rushed him. The rest that came after him when he tripped didn't know any better, either. Both sides of that engagement were ironically innocent.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907528 - 08/30/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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had he shot Kyle and killed him, I'd let him off the hook, too, because from HIS perspective, he was also defending innocent lives.
He might have had an easier route because he lived in Kenosha and because he was attempting to prevent someone who had already demonstrated their willingness to use his weapon in a lethal manner from escaping or killing other people and he was not involved in precipitating the violence.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907564 - 08/30/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: They were all breaking the law, but Kyle is the one who engaged in the kind of violence a curfew is intended to prevent.
He was responding to violence against him. I'm going to keep saying it because you keep pretending it didn't happen.
Being violent toward someone is also illegal. You could probably make a case it's more illegal past curfew.
Responding to that violence with self-defense is justified.
There’s no way you should ever be allowed to own a gun. You think you can do whatever you want.
King of make believe, right here.
I'm a NRA member, I don't think you should own a gun. I'm agreeing with koods on this. That says a lot about you
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907565 - 08/30/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know you don't see Kyle as innocent after the first shooting. Our disagreement hinges on that encounter.
And you've admitted (inadvertently), that you would have rather seen Kyle had the shit beat out of him or worse, than defending himself. I fundamentally disagree with that perspective.
But let me re-emphasize the man who got his forearm blown off. He had a gun in his hand and didn't use it on Kyle. He could have pulled the trigger. He could have disabled or killed Kyle. It would have also been tragic, but he would have been innocent, 100%.
Nobody on that street when Kyle tripped and fell was guilty. All of this is because of that first moron who thought it would be a good idea to chase a boy with an AR-15 and then rush him. (And some other moron that fired a round before Kyle's gun went off.)
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26907574 - 08/30/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm a NRA member, I don't think you should own a gun. I'm agreeing with koods on this. That says a lot about you
How is this relevant to anything? You guys need to wipe your semen off each others' backs and get back to actual debate.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907577 - 08/30/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907579 - 08/30/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm a NRA member, I don't think you should own a gun. I'm agreeing with koods on this. That says a lot about you
How is this relevant to anything? You guys need to wipe your semen off each others' backs and get back to actual debate.
Right so we're supposed to get back to the debate, that we're trying to get you to seriously engage in, because of this off topic shitpost of yours?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Azus] 1
#26907607 - 08/30/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Azus said: https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1300100292558516226 new video execution
Well now im not so sure the shooter set this up because it’s clear now the person yelling “we got one here right now” is the guy in white who is with the guy who got shot.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26907617 - 08/30/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm a NRA member, I don't think you should own a gun. I'm agreeing with koods on this. That says a lot about you
How is this relevant to anything? You guys need to wipe your semen off each others' backs and get back to actual debate.
Right so we're supposed to get back to the debate, that we're trying to get you to seriously engage in, because of this off topic shitpost of yours?

When I hear, "shit-post" I think of what someone's dick must look like buried deep in someone else's asshole. 
Here's a towel.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907628 - 08/30/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The guy in white says “we got another one right here.” Then “he’s pulling it out.” Then another voice says “here?”
The guy in white is with the guy who got shot. After the shooting he says “Jake. You alright?”
This changes the story entirely. Those two MAGA guys identified the shooter for some reason as “another one right here.” I think the “he’s pulling it out” is referring to his gun and the “here” is the victim looking at the shooter and getting the pepper spray ready.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907698 - 08/30/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: You wholly missed the point of that comment.
Even if you dont believe the law is just, YOU STILL NEED TO ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES!
Kyle illegally used a firearm to kill 2. He broke the law now he needs to accept the consequences.
Fuck dude follow the thread more closely 
The only way I can tell he broke the law (in any way anyone else wasn't already, curfew doesn't count), is his possession of a firearm at 17.
If there is a legal case that throws his, "rights" out the window for self-defense, I'm not here to argue what the law says.
MORALLY, I don't care. He was in danger and he protected himself. That's the end of it for me.
As has been stated a dozen times he broke th3 law in many more ways than just minor in posession.
He crossed state lines to participate in a riot. This is a felony. Any argument he had for self defense goes out the window the second he crossed state lines.
He had no legal rights at that point. Nor did he have moral high ground since he already committed multiple felonies before the murders.
Your moral argument is shit. Kyle deserves to have the book thrown at him for real. Play dangerous games win dangerous prizes and what not
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26907739 - 08/30/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Vahn I will pay for your firearms training class and concealed carry class.
Be sure it doesn't include the new warning shot policy:
New policy recommends police officers fire 'warning shots' in serious situations
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907748 - 08/30/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm a NRA member, I don't think you should own a gun. I'm agreeing with koods on this. That says a lot about you
How is this relevant to anything? You guys need to wipe your semen off each others' backs and get back to actual debate.
Right so we're supposed to get back to the debate, that we're trying to get you to seriously engage in, because of this off topic shitpost of yours?

When I hear, "shit-post" I think of what someone's dick must look like buried deep in someone else's asshole. 
Here's a towel.
I’ve been on both ends of that transaction on a regular basis and I’ve never gotten shit on any dick.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907764 - 08/30/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: How about this way of thinking. If he had followed the law that was intended to prevent violence from occurring, then he never would have had to kill anyone
If Martin Gugino had followed the law, then he never would have been pushed by the Buffalo cops. Hmmm.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26907770 - 08/30/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll take vahn's ccw class if he doesn't want it. 
Took my fiance shooting yesterday. She hates and is afraid of guns so we've been putting it off but with all the shit going down and the likelyhood that the country will have completely collapsed by the new year we decided to get it done. She did alright with the 22wmr at 50yrds but I was extremely impressed with her use of the 9mm at 25ft. She rang steel with almost every shot. It was only the second time she ever held a pistol and I had to explain how to aim it beforehand because the first time was 11 years ago. I'm gonna see how she does with the big rifle next week. I had previously figured that if shit popped off she could be my spotter but maybe she'll be the one with the big boy gun
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26907773 - 08/30/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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cool story
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