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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26907431 - 08/30/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Kyle didn't shoot until his physical person was about to be harmed.
I don't understand what more you need.
If you think people ought to just take a beating, that's fucked up.
He didn’t have to take a beating at all. If he hadn’t broken the law by being on the street, then this wouldn’t have happened. The point of a curfew is to prevent violence. You can’t just break the law and willfuly put yourself in a danergous situation and then claim self defense when shit goes down. It’s really that simple
Stop using curfew as an excuse. They were ALL breaking curfew. Thousands of them. You only seem to care about one person doing it, though.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907433 - 08/30/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Kyle's life was in immediate danger.
How does that not make sense?
Are you dense? He chose to put himself in a dangerous situation and broke the law doing so. He can’t claim self defense. Jesus.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907432 - 08/30/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: What I THINK doesnt matter. The laws are the laws dude. I can do whatever I want, sure, but I need to accept the consequences for breaking the law.
I grow psychedelic mushrooms. I recognize it's against the law and accept the consequences even though I personally THINK the law is unjust. What I THINK doesnt matter
I'm obviously not an advocate of the law 100% of the time, either. I have moral principles that may or may not coincide with the law.
"The Law" says firing a warning shot is deadly force in many cases.
I say it's only deadly force if the bullet hits someone.
Sorry dude fact remains that warning shots are illegal in most states and highly unethical since a stray round can kill an innocent.
Seriously dude you would benefit highly from a class and time at the range. People with your level of vitriol really need proper training and law highlighting.
@koods- He is willfully ignoring that aspect of self defense law
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907434 - 08/30/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Kyle didn't shoot until his physical person was about to be harmed.
I don't understand what more you need.
If you think people ought to just take a beating, that's fucked up.
He didn’t have to take a beating at all. If he hadn’t broken the law by being on the street, then this wouldn’t have happened. The point of a curfew is to prevent violence. You can’t just break the law and willfuly put yourself in a danergous situation and then claim self defense when shit goes down. It’s really that simple
Stop using curfew as an excuse. They were ALL breaking curfew.
So what? The rest of the people there didn’t kill anyone so they don’t have to worry about losing their right to self defense
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26907435 - 08/30/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: What I THINK doesnt matter. The laws are the laws dude. I can do whatever I want, sure, but I need to accept the consequences for breaking the law.
I grow psychedelic mushrooms. I recognize it's against the law and accept the consequences even though I personally THINK the law is unjust. What I THINK doesnt matter
I'm obviously not an advocate of the law 100% of the time, either. I have moral principles that may or may not coincide with the law.
"The Law" says firing a warning shot is deadly force in many cases.
I say it's only deadly force if the bullet hits someone.
Sorry dude fact remains that warning shots are illegal in most states and highly unethical since a stray round can kill an innocent.
Seriously dude you would benefit highly from a class and time at the range. People with your level of vitriol really need proper training and law highlighting.
@koods- He is willfully ignoring that aspect of self defense law
IGNORING it? We JUST had a conversation about how the law isn't always something we side with.
C'mon dude... you're smarter than this.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907439 - 08/30/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Kyle didn't shoot until his physical person was about to be harmed.
I don't understand what more you need.
If you think people ought to just take a beating, that's fucked up.
He didn’t have to take a beating at all. If he hadn’t broken the law by being on the street, then this wouldn’t have happened. The point of a curfew is to prevent violence. You can’t just break the law and willfuly put yourself in a danergous situation and then claim self defense when shit goes down. It’s really that simple
Stop using curfew as an excuse. They were ALL breaking curfew.
So what? The rest of the people there didn’t kill anyone so they don’t have to worry about losing their right to self defense
No, that's not how I see it. I see it more like they were all breaking the law because they thought there were above the law and so it's an even battleground.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907443 - 08/30/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You wholly missed the point of that comment.
Even if you dont believe the law is just, YOU STILL NEED TO ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES!
Kyle illegally used a firearm to kill 2. He broke the law now he needs to accept the consequences.
Fuck dude follow the thread more closely
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26907445 - 08/30/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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They were all breaking the law, but Kyle is the one who engaged in the kind of violence a curfew is intended to prevent.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907451 - 08/30/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the law says you must have a working sprinklers in your business, and there’s a fire that kills someone and your sprinklers weren’t working because you refused to fix them, you’re not going to be able to say their death was an accident. The fact that you didn’t follow the law changes your level of culpability.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907461 - 08/30/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not sure why the idea of law abiding gun ownership and use is so lost on him right now.
I own more guns than there are people in my house. I advocate for 2A. I shoot all the time. Bows and guns.
It really isnt that hard to understand when you arent blinded by partisan politics and fear mongering
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907468 - 08/30/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Kyle's life was in immediate danger.
How does that not make sense?
Are you dense? He chose to put himself in a dangerous situation and broke the law doing so. He can’t claim self defense. Jesus.
Also preclusion. You cannot take your sidearm to go be a vigilante. That kills your claim to self defense if you put yourself in a precarious position. Kyle wasn't law enforcement.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907474 - 08/30/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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How about this way of thinking. If he had followed the law that was intended to prevent violence from occurring, then he never would have had to kill anyone
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26907475 - 08/30/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Kyle's life was in immediate danger.
How does that not make sense?
Are you dense? He chose to put himself in a dangerous situation and broke the law doing so. He can’t claim self defense. Jesus.
Also preclusion. You cannot take your sidearm to go be a vigilante. That kills your claim to self defense if you put yourself in a precarious position. Kyle wasn't law enforcement.
He just wants his side to be able to kill people
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26907477 - 08/30/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guess vahn didn't want free firearms and concealed carry class. Not here to learn, not here to grow, just to push uninformed opinion.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26907478 - 08/30/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: You wholly missed the point of that comment.
Even if you dont believe the law is just, YOU STILL NEED TO ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES!
Kyle illegally used a firearm to kill 2. He broke the law now he needs to accept the consequences.
Fuck dude follow the thread more closely 
The only way I can tell he broke the law (in any way anyone else wasn't already, curfew doesn't count), is his possession of a firearm at 17.
If there is a legal case that throws his, "rights" out the window for self-defense, I'm not here to argue what the law says.
MORALLY, I don't care. He was in danger and he protected himself. That's the end of it for me.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907480 - 08/30/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: They were all breaking the law, but Kyle is the one who engaged in the kind of violence a curfew is intended to prevent.
He was responding to violence against him. I'm going to keep saying it because you keep pretending it didn't happen.
Being violent toward someone is also illegal. You could probably make a case it's more illegal past curfew.
Responding to that violence with self-defense is justified.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907483 - 08/30/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can’t just say curfew doesn’t count. Grow up dude.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26907484 - 08/30/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I'm not sure why the idea of law abiding gun ownership and use is so lost on him right now.
I own more guns than there are people in my house. I advocate for 2A. I shoot all the time. Bows and guns.
It really isnt that hard to understand when you arent blinded by partisan politics and fear mongering
It's not lost on me. I'm aware that he had his firearm illegally. I'm perfectly fine with him being convicted for that.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907485 - 08/30/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You can’t just say curfew doesn’t count. Grow up dude.
If everyone is breaking curfew, it's kind of stupid to call out Kyle on it specifically.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26907486 - 08/30/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: They were all breaking the law, but Kyle is the one who engaged in the kind of violence a curfew is intended to prevent.
He was responding to violence against him. I'm going to keep saying it because you keep pretending it didn't happen.
Being violent toward someone is also illegal. You could probably make a case it's more illegal past curfew.
Responding to that violence with self-defense is justified.
There’s no way you should ever be allowed to own a gun. You think you can do whatever you want.
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