|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,308
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 54 minutes, 45 seconds
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26907382 - 08/30/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Trump likes vigilante murder
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
Vahn421
Awakening Moonlighter



Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26907383 - 08/30/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
natedawgnow said: I have never once in this sub claimed to be against actual self defense or 2A rights.
You have an issue with conflating condemnation of illegal firearm use with this idea that I hate firearms and dont think self defense is a viable argument.
It is when its legally used, and it wasnt with kyle or the other shooter.
You are blinded by your partisanship
Excuse me?
--------------------
|
Vahn421
Awakening Moonlighter



Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907384 - 08/30/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: Trump likes vigilante murder

We have a myriad of evidence pointing toward self-defense and ZERO evidence pointing toward murder.
--------------------
|
natedawgnow
Rocky mountain hood rat



Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 8,939
Loc: ation
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907386 - 08/30/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Excuse me? Please quote anytime I have ever claimed seld defense is never justified?
Please quote where I condemn 2A?
Again, you think these things are true because you are blinded by partisanship.
--------------------
|
bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,890
Loc: Milky way
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907387 - 08/30/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Vahn I will pay for your firearms training class and concealed carry class.
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,308
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 54 minutes, 45 seconds
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907388 - 08/30/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Vahn421 said: I think you're distracting from the main point which is everyone condemned me for being willing to shoot someone to defend my own life and property
Once again you lie. That post said nothing about your life and you didn’t use the word property. You said “my shit.” “Stealing or BREAKING my shit.”
So would you shoot someone for trying to steal your car or breaking into your car?
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,308
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 54 minutes, 45 seconds
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907391 - 08/30/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Vahn421 said:
Quote:
koods said: Trump likes vigilante murder

We have a myriad of evidence pointing toward self-defense and ZERO evidence pointing toward murder.
Yet another lie.He’s been charged with two counts of first degree homicide.
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,890
Loc: Milky way
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26907392 - 08/30/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
* if you pass
|
Vahn421
Awakening Moonlighter



Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26907393 - 08/30/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said:
Quote:
Vahn421 said: I think you're distracting from the main point which is everyone condemned me for being willing to shoot someone to defend my own life and property
Once again you lie. That post said nothing about your life and you didn’t use the word property. You said “my shit.” “Stealing or BREAKING my shit.”
So would you shoot someone for trying to steal your car or breaking into your car?
I'd fire a warning shot and if they didn't run, or if they turned on me, yes.
--------------------
|
Vahn421
Awakening Moonlighter



Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26907395 - 08/30/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said:
Quote:
Vahn421 said:
Quote:
koods said: Trump likes vigilante murder

We have a myriad of evidence pointing toward self-defense and ZERO evidence pointing toward murder.
Yet another lie.He’s been charged with two counts of first degree homicide.
Didn't we have a long conversation the other day about how charges are not convictions? I remember getting grilled for it pretty hard. Now here you are doing the same.
--------------------
|
natedawgnow
Rocky mountain hood rat



Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 8,939
Loc: ation
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907396 - 08/30/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Vahn421 said: I think you're distracting from the main point which is everyone condemned me for being willing to shoot someone to defend my own life and property.
And yet you just admitted the same.
If you want to harp on me because I'd rather fire and miss intentionally the first time, I'm not bothered. What bothers me is that you just admitted to being willing to do the same thing everyone here is condemning me for.
Please quote WHERE I SAID anything about valid self defense being wrong?
I condemn kyle because his claim to self defense isnt justified. I condemn the other shooter cause his self defense claim wasnt justified.
Just because you have a problem with partisanship doesnt mean we all do.
I condemn both shooters because i am a law abiding gun owner and know what constitutes real self defense
--------------------
|
natedawgnow
Rocky mountain hood rat



Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 8,939
Loc: ation
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26907401 - 08/30/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
For the record firing warning shots is actually illegal in many states.
In texas you can serve actual time for firing a warning shot in pursuit of defending property or self
--------------------
|
Vahn421
Awakening Moonlighter



Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26907402 - 08/30/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Kyle didn't shoot until his physical person was about to be harmed.
I don't understand what more you need.
If you think people ought to just take a beating, that's fucked up.
--------------------
|
natedawgnow
Rocky mountain hood rat



Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 8,939
Loc: ation
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907405 - 08/30/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
What I THINK doesnt matter. The laws are the laws dude. I can do whatever I want, sure, but I need to accept the consequences for breaking the law.
I grow psychedelic mushrooms. I recognize it's against the law and accept the consequences even though I personally THINK the law is unjust. What I THINK doesnt matter
--------------------
|
natedawgnow
Rocky mountain hood rat



Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 8,939
Loc: ation
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26907408 - 08/30/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Gonna re quote thus cause Id love to see your answer
Quote:
natedawgnow said:
Quote:
Vahn421 said: I think you're distracting from the main point which is everyone condemned me for being willing to shoot someone to defend my own life and property.
And yet you just admitted the same.
If you want to harp on me because I'd rather fire and miss intentionally the first time, I'm not bothered. What bothers me is that you just admitted to being willing to do the same thing everyone here is condemning me for.
Please quote WHERE I SAID anything about valid self defense being wrong?
I condemn kyle because his claim to self defense isnt justified. I condemn the other shooter cause his self defense claim wasnt justified.
Just because you have a problem with partisanship doesnt mean we all do.
I condemn both shooters because i am a law abiding gun owner and know what constitutes real self defense
--------------------
|
Vahn421
Awakening Moonlighter



Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26907411 - 08/30/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
You may not have been the one to say it, but your position is essentially the same as mine and yet no one cares when YOU claim guns are ok to protect yourself.
--------------------
|
Vahn421
Awakening Moonlighter



Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26907412 - 08/30/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
natedawgnow said: What I THINK doesnt matter. The laws are the laws dude. I can do whatever I want, sure, but I need to accept the consequences for breaking the law.
I grow psychedelic mushrooms. I recognize it's against the law and accept the consequences even though I personally THINK the law is unjust. What I THINK doesnt matter
I'm obviously not an advocate of the law 100% of the time, either. I have moral principles that may or may not coincide with the law.
"The Law" says firing a warning shot is deadly force in many cases.
I say it's only deadly force if the bullet hits someone.
--------------------
Edited by Vahn421 (08/30/20 10:16 AM)
|
natedawgnow
Rocky mountain hood rat



Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 8,939
Loc: ation
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907426 - 08/30/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Ok good.
Kyle broke multiple laws. His self defense claim is not valid. The unidentified shooter of maga hat guy broke the law. His self defense claim isnt valid.
It's this simple.
In texas 3yrs ago a guy bust into a church and shot a few people. A few members of the service pulled out their guns and shot the guy down. Neither person broke the law since they were legally allowed to carry and their lives were in immediate danger and their self defense claim IS valid. How does this not make sense?
--------------------
|
Vahn421
Awakening Moonlighter



Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26907428 - 08/30/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Kyle's life was in immediate danger.
How does that not make sense?
EDIT: I'm making a moral case. Not a legal one. I've already advocated for the conviction of Kyle for breaking any laws he broke. But as far as his life goes, anyone would shoot in the moments he did.
--------------------
Edited by Vahn421 (08/30/20 10:22 AM)
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,308
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 54 minutes, 45 seconds
|
Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26907429 - 08/30/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Vahn421 said: Kyle didn't shoot until his physical person was about to be harmed.
I don't understand what more you need.
If you think people ought to just take a beating, that's fucked up.
He didn’t have to take a beating at all. If he hadn’t broken the law by being on the street, then this wouldn’t have happened. The point of a curfew is to prevent violence. You can’t just break the law and willfuly put yourself in a danergous situation and then claim self defense when shit goes down. It’s really that simple
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
|