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Small fruits looking for guidance
    #26906649 - 08/29/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So I’m sure some of you are already tired of seeing me pop up asking noob questions but the only way I know is to ask those who have done it themselves. This is my first shoebox, first run at substrate. I have 3 other shoe boxes colonizing and fruiting with others that will go in to circulation in the coming days and weeks. With this box I’ve had fruits only grow to about 3 inches tall before they open up and break their veils. I know there isn’t a simple answer to why they didn’t grow completely before maturing but I would like some opinions. Do you think the substrate was too dry? Was I misting too much trying to bounce it back from being dry? Shit culture? Or maybe it was simply bacterial and was never going to produce full grown fruits.

Please guys educate me, I only wish to learn. I had a few fruits fall over by the time I made it home today, went ahead and picked out everything that had broken it’s veil...


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26906668 - 08/29/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Small fruits aren't a bad thing man, just a different look. Whats your "Strain" you're running? Are they known to be small? Did you use MS or agar to grain? i see you have an unmodified mono which is good, did you leave it alone? Do misting and fanning? Get your sub to field capacity before mixing? There's so many things to consider that we need to know to try and help. It could even just be genetics keeping it small, who knows. Give us a little more info to try and help you out


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Spore211215]
    #26907151 - 08/30/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So these first few shoeboxes are all MS syringe to grain. I’ve left the lid on snapped shut until I started to see fruits side pinning. At This point another member pointed out my sub surface looked patchy dry, and that’s when I started misting. I’ve been trying to work on a good happy medium of misting without pooling water on the surface. I think I have found a good mister now so I think that hurdle has been crossed. So once I started seeing fruits up top, I unsnapped the latches on the lid and just let it rest on top. A member said skinny fruits could come from low FAE, and I cracked the lid to the side a little. A day or so later is when I seeing the fruits falling over so I just went ahead and harvested them.

I’ve thought maybe it’s just the strain of Golden Teacher that I happened to pick up out of the syringe, I have other “strains” going at the moment but they’re not quite far along enough to compare yet


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26907172 - 08/30/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Small fruits are a product of genetics and/or fruiting conditions. Did you case the top or did it just not fully colonize?


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Tormato]
    #26907452 - 08/30/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I guess it would be called a pseudo casing? I did a 1:2 spawn rate with only coir and on this one I used an extra 1/2qt to cover the grains


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26907472 - 08/30/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I want to say bacteria based on the pinset/surface colonization and the fact that some fell over.

If you did a late top layer or really thick one at spawn that could explain the lack of colonization, every gt grow I’ve done didn’t really cover the surface just had lots of knots poking through.



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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: A.k.a]
    #26907572 - 08/30/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you ignore the fact that I accidentally cracked my sub in half you'll see what my tub looks like. I run my coir a little wet and added a casing a few days in. The tubs are growing a little slow but steadily progressing. Spawned on 8/15, these are also GT



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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Spore211215]
    #26907811 - 08/30/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is how my surface looked as the pins started to pop up, id day it extra layer is about 3/8” thick



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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26907931 - 08/30/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

smaller can be more potent.  If you want grade A  USDA certified organic type you need to get into cloning and tissue samples to clone a perfect specimen.


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Your Dudeness]
    #26908006 - 08/30/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have this shoebox growing next to my other one, it’s a different variety but I hope to get better results from these


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26908029 - 08/30/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hey! Don't forget your future flushes. There have been many sad first flushes followed by juicier second flushes. You're doing well.


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Your Dudeness]
    #26908030 - 08/30/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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smaller can be more potent.  If you want grade A  USDA certified organic type you need to get into cloning and tissue samples to clone a perfect specimen.




Can’t say I disagree there, id really like to get some handsome fruits worthy of cloning. I went ahead and plucked and cut all of my shrooms that had fallen over or had their veils broken free

They dried on the table over night and came out to a whopping 0.5 grams lol gonna take a few harvests to get us where we need to be


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26908033 - 08/30/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think those will be kinda small too. You can start to tell how they’ll turn out by the size and cap shape after a while. Who knows sometimes you get surprised too.

I know people say the tub size doesn’t affect fruit size, but in my experience it definitely does. I’m not saying you can’t get monster shrooms in a shoebox because it does happen but the overall average will be smaller.

I ran tons of shoeboxes and when I switched to underbed tubs which are about 4x bigger i got much larger shrooms from the same cultures.


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: chowster]
    #26908034 - 08/30/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey! Don't forget your future flushes. There have been many sad first flushes followed by juicier second flushes. You're doing well.



Thank you! I’m not going to give up on it until it gives up on itself


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26908046 - 08/30/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

AKA, I have thought about the tub size as well. I do have some 26qts started but they’re not finished colonizing yet. Will be interesting to see if there is a difference in size between that tub and the shoeboxes. Also I’m in a closet, Though I am able to leave the doors open and the closet gets quite a bit of airflow across the front of it from the adjacent rooms


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26908087 - 08/30/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is one of the best examples I have. These were made with g2g from the same master jar. The shoebox in the last picture has the one good sized shroom but that big one is about the average size I saw in the underbed. Then the underbed fruits are just enormous compared to the shoebox.



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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26910042 - 08/31/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I just had a mazatapec ms shoebox grow a ton of small fruit after the last ms box did larger, but fewer fruits. It's ms... probably genetics



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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Cegda]
    #26910060 - 08/31/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I just had a mazatapec ms shoebox grow a ton of small fruit after the last ms box did larger, but fewer fruits. It's ms... probably genetics






You’re probably right. I appreciate everyone’s feedback. I’m gonna ride out the next few grows and see if I continue growing smaller fruit with different cultures


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Seamuss]
    #26910068 - 08/31/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I got a 100 gram+ first flush out of that box... better by far than the box with the big fruits.

If you want a consistent grow, look into agar


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Re: Small fruits looking for guidance [Re: Cegda]
    #26910079 - 08/31/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

When you're first starting it's a good idea to make a couple different substrates. That way if one is off you'll get something from the other one.


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