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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27251905 - 03/13/21 10:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: bill gates is a patent troll
its always been his only income
Gates isn’t making money off vaccines, he’s spending money on them.
I really don’t get why people get so mad at a guy who is spending his own money to fund vaccine efforts all over the world
Because they believe the conspiracy theories are true. If they were true, then there would be a reason to be mad. But they're not true. There are innumerable reasons why different people get to the point where they believe conspiracy theories are true.
I'm a reasonably smart guy, but at age 19-20 I went off the DEEP DEEP end with conspiracy shit- like borderline lizard people stuff. The circumstances leading up to it: I had just dropped out of college, was doing a bunch of RC phenethylamines and tryptamines like 3-4x a week, living in a new state with no close friends, and working an incredibly shitty job at the zoo.
In retrospect, I think that the pursuit of what I perceived to be "esoteric knowledge" subconsciously gave me the sense of purpose I might otherwise have gotten from school, a career, and/or relationships. I could find ways to explain away anything and everything about the fact that I hadn't realized the potential other people, like my family, saw in me Any apparent "failure" on my part was either "intentional" (not becoming one of "them") or explainable in terms of forces outside of my control.
And in fact, even though I was unknowingly using those crazy ideas as a psychological coping tool rather than as a foundation for genuine truth seeking, defending my belief in them became so important to me that I would often get angry.
Once I found other sources of purpose, and I genuinely felt good/confident about who I am and the choices I've made, it became totally effortless to see the conspiracy-seeker lifestyle for what it was. Fortunately, relocating geographically made the process of regaining my dignity much easier. If I had stayed there and come to the realization that the ideas I'd been espousing were nutty, I would've had to fumble through the process of trying to let everyone know that I don't believe those ideas- ideas that I would get very emotional while defending- anymore, without completely losing my dignity.
I think a lot of the Qanon folk are in the same position right now- realizing one by one that they've been duped, but trying to figure out how to move on without losing face in front of everyone, considering how adamantly they spent the last year defending themselves from those who accused them of being crazy
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated] 1
#27251907 - 03/13/21 10:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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these billions of dollars in tax savings have to be seen as a public subsidy—money that otherwise would have gone to the US Treasury to help build bridges, do medical research, or close the funding gap at the IRS (which has resulted in fewer audits of billionaires). If Bill and Melinda Gates don’t pay their full freight in taxes, the public has to make up the difference or simply live in a world where governments do less and less (educating, vaccinating, and researching) and superrich philanthropists do more and more.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251908 - 03/13/21 10:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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i answered ur question kewds
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251910 - 03/13/21 10:18 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27251912 - 03/13/21 10:21 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: bill gates is a patent troll
its always been his only income
Gates isn’t making money off vaccines, he’s spending money on them.
I really don’t get why people get so mad at a guy who is spending his own money to fund vaccine efforts all over the world
Because they believe the conspiracy theories are true.
yeah, but specifically in the last few posts, we have brought up non-conspiracy points, not implanted vaccine microchips and 5g is military grade fryers
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: gopher]
#27251915 - 03/13/21 10:24 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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i mean hes probs part of a conspiracy 2
its shrouded in legality tho
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251921 - 03/13/21 10:35 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Microsoft’s bottom line is heavily dependent on patent protections for its software, and the Gates Foundation has been a strong and consistent supporter of intellectual property rights, including for the pharmaceutical companies with which it works closely. These patent protections are widely criticized for making lifesaving drugs prohibitively expensive, particularly in the developing world.
“He uses his philanthropy to advance a pro-patent agenda on pharmaceutical drugs, even in countries that are really poor.... He’s a big defender of the big drug companies. He’s undermining a lot of things that are really necessary to make drugs affordable to people that are really poor. It’s weird because he gives so much money to [fight] poverty, and yet he’s the biggest obstacle on a lot of reforms.”
A prominent lawyer in Seattle, Gates Sr. was also a civic leader and, later, a public advocate on issues related to income inequality.
Working with Chuck Collins, an heir to the Oscar Mayer fortune who gave away much of his inheritance during his 20s, Gates Sr. helped organize a successful national campaign in the late 1990s and early 2000s to build political power around preserving the estate tax, the taxes levied against the assets of the wealthy after they die.
According to the assessor’s office for King County, which includes Seattle, Microsoft has filed 402 appeals on its property taxes. Likewise, a 2012 Senate investigation examined Microsoft’s aggressive use of offshore subsidiaries to save the company billions of dollars in taxes. And The Seattle Times reported that Microsoft spent decades creating lucrative, tax-reducing barriers around corporate profits.
Bill Gates, nevertheless, has managed to become a leading—and seemingly progressive—public voice on tax policy. Every year around tax time, he and Buffett make media appearances decrying how little they pay in taxes, calling on Congress to raise taxes on the wealthy. At times, however, they advocate policies that may not actually touch their wealth, such as promoting the estate tax, which they will likely avoid through charitable donations.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251924 - 03/13/21 10:37 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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“Philanthropy done well not only produces direct benefits for society, it also reduces dynastic wealth,” he wrote on his blog, GatesNotes.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251927 - 03/13/21 10:43 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, but specifically in the last few posts, we have brought up non-conspiracy points, not implanted vaccine microchips and 5g is military grade fryers
maybe a few people are upset about his past behaviors in the tech world, but most people don't know that much about it, so in my estimation the typical person who "hates bill gates" in 2021 does so because of antivax conspiracy theories
Regardless, is it not possible for people who previously did a lot of seemingly selfish things to repent and try to make amends for their selfish behavior- say, by engaging in large scale philanthropy using the proceeds it generated?
It's really hard to understand exactly what point you're trying to make when your thoughts are fragmented and you use so many incomplete sentences. I mean no disrespect. I do notice that you seem like a pretty smart dude, but only because I'm good at reading between the lines. I type in fragmented txt-speech when shitposting, too. But a discussion that I want to be productive isn't the time/place for it in my opinion.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251928 - 03/13/21 10:44 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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investments in prisons, fast food, the arms industry, pharmaceutical companies, and fossil fuels—conflicting with its charitable mission to improve health and well-being, Gates has pushed back in black-and-white terms, calling divestment a “false solution” that will have “zero” impact.
the foundation’s investments in mortgage lenders involved in subprime loans and for-profit hospitals accused of performing unneeded surgeries. The Times also noted the foundation’s investments in chocolate companies that depend on cocoa production using child labor.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251929 - 03/13/21 10:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes we can redistribute da wealth 4 him and watch him repent
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251931 - 03/13/21 10:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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as many of the institutions best placed to scrutinize his foundation are now funded by Gates, including academic think tanks that churn out uncritical reviews of its charitable efforts and news outlets that praise its giving or pass on investigating its influence.
In the absence of outside scrutiny, this private foundation has had far-reaching effects on public policy, pushing privately run charter schools into states where courts and voters have rejected them, using earmarked funds to direct the World Health Organization to work on the foundation’s global health agenda, and subsidizing Merck’s and Bayer’s entry into developing countries. Gates, who routinely appears on the Forbes list of the world’s most powerful people, has proved that philanthropy can buy political influence.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251934 - 03/13/21 10:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: investments in prisons, fast food, the arms industry, pharmaceutical companies, and fossil fuels—conflicting with its charitable mission to improve health and well-being, Gates has pushed back in black-and-white terms, calling divestment a “false solution” that will have “zero” impact.
the foundation’s investments in mortgage lenders involved in subprime loans and for-profit hospitals accused of performing unneeded surgeries. The Times also noted the foundation’s investments in chocolate companies that depend on cocoa production using child labor.
I admittedly know almost nothing about investing, but do you really think Gates even makes those decisions? My understanding is that for people with that much money, their portfolios are managed by a whole of team of financial advisors, and tend to contain a bit of everything.
I guess the simplest question in my mind is whether or not I think I could do better. The answer to that is simply that I don't know, but I doubt it. I don't know enough about everything that goes into getting and being rich, investing, paying taxes, and doing charity to be sure that I would actually do a better job than he does simply by being ostensibly more well-intentioned.</font>
To me he seems like a human like any other- has done some good and some bad, some selfish and some selfless things- just a super rich human. He seems to have changed his priorities over time.
Even if it were true that he is a hypocrite, that isn't really a reason to hate someone in my mind. It's a reason to respect them less, but not to hate them.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27251935 - 03/13/21 10:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251936 - 03/13/21 10:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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its a lot easier when ur dads a corp lawyer fighting taxes
u get sucked into da underbelly real quick
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251937 - 03/13/21 10:55 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bill Gates is a turd with legs.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: budmanman]
#27251938 - 03/13/21 10:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Like everyone hates Bill Gates, always has, he's a giant piece of shit and it isn't news.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251939 - 03/13/21 10:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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this is exactly what I am talking about. I have no idea what this post is supposed to mean
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: cannabinated]
#27251940 - 03/13/21 10:58 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gates Sr. helped organize a successful national campaign in the late 1990s and early 2000s to build political power around preserving the estate tax, the taxes levied against the assets of the wealthy after they die.
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At times, however, they advocate policies that may not actually touch their wealth, such as promoting the estate tax, which they will likely avoid through charitable donations.
super rich guy fights to preserve the estate tax. Super rich guy intends to give away almost all his wealth before dying.
WHAT A SCANDAL!!! Jesus Christ. 🤦♂️
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27251941 - 03/13/21 11:00 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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its a corporate scheme
hes taking koch money
and using it to kill n enslave us frfr
and pocketing dat shit
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