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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27121529 - 01/02/21 05:09 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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My sister was explaining the thawing process. Again seems like absolutely zero thought went into planning this critical step and I'm quite certain idiots across the country are going to be totally destroying precious doses or giving folks degraded vaccine.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27121587 - 01/02/21 06:27 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Nurses have to deal with way more complicated protocols than thawing a vaccine. We'll be totally fine
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27121601 - 01/02/21 06:44 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Not when theres not a proper protocol or the necessary equipment. Theres lit nothing besides just throw it in the fridge.. She was told 2-3 months ago not to order a freezer then a month later when the vaccine were about to arrive was told she would need one and had to scrable to get one on short notice with scores of other places doing the same. This isnt about nurses. Nurses that 9 times out of ten barely graduated high-school being able to figure out how to give a shot.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27121609 - 01/02/21 06:49 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Also theres some retarded protocol about once the doses are thawed how that vial is distributed as once its thawed theres a rapidly ticking clock before it expires. So basically everything is at a snails pace cuz theres no system to streamline getting thawed doses into people. Theyre very paranoid about wasting doses and it comes at the cost of making people wait to get vaccinated until thawed vials are lined up.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27121612 - 01/02/21 06:51 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Sounds like something that could only be a problem at an absolute shithole hopsital.
Hospitals have different kind of nurses they wouldn't let your sister touch the stuff with her education
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27121617 - 01/02/21 06:57 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Its a smaller pharmacy tied to a regional health center that was told they wouldn't need any equipment or planning because they wouldn't be distributing the vaccine which has found itself in a matter of weeks now charged with handling distributing a critical vaccine. This is happening across the country which you know goes back to my whole absolute shitshow zero real planning thing you seem to brush off thinking "nurses will handle it well be fine" where as everything im seeing here in reality is the exact opposite. Like I think its gonna get distributed but this is just yet another fuck up in this thing from you people.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#27121620 - 01/02/21 06:59 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Go look on twitter there's lots of nurses that have that online college education that spew dumb shit due to lack of understanding. People eat it up because they work at a hospital. This is where you end up seeing someone in scrubs saying covid is fake
Ask someone who actually runs shit for a better opinion.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27121622 - 01/02/21 07:01 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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My sister actually runs she she's a pharm D.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27121633 - 01/02/21 07:19 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Nurses have to deal with way more complicated protocols than thawing a vaccine. We'll be totally fine
At the big locations, anyway, the nurses dont even handle that. They have a group of pharmacists drawing up the vaccine, and a couple of people running it back and forth between the pharmacists and the nurses. Each time one person would leave, theyd bring a new dose
Sry your sister got shafted
I think maybe what happened here where I live is some go getter type people realized they werent gonna be able to rely on the feds a while ago amd starting busting ass to figure out plans on their own. It also helps that we have a shitload of medical equipment and staff here. The places without freezers can easily receive deliveries at regular intervals from the big places with them
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27121646 - 01/02/21 07:30 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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It was less a relying on the feds thing and more of a money thing as the health center flat out cant afford equipment it was told it doesn't need im sure major hospitals just bought all this shit for fun
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27121730 - 01/02/21 09:01 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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I'm not gonna lie that sounds like exactly the same procedure /difficulty as thawing out a steak. You just put it in the fridge.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: searching]
#27121745 - 01/02/21 09:16 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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The logistics around the moderna one seem easy other than staffing
For the pfizer vax other than the deep freeze it is straightforward. Thaw for 30mins at room temp or 3hrs in fridge, put 1.8mL NS in the vial, invert. Now you have 6 hours to give 6 0.3mL doses. I guess in some places ensuring you have 6 people in that time frame could be an issue
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27121757 - 01/02/21 09:37 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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You know how Jesus figuratively suggests that those who reject the truth will die? It isnt figurative anymore. Just make your choice and let the cards fall where they will.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27121880 - 01/02/21 11:27 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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The two relatives of mine who died from covid both had some sort of service. Both services were 90% maskless and not distanced according to my cousin who went, I stayed the fuck away
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27121885 - 01/02/21 11:31 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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morrowasted said: The logistics around the moderna one seem easy other than staffing
For the pfizer vax other than the deep freeze it is straightforward. Thaw for 30mins at room temp or 3hrs in fridge, put 1.8mL NS in the vial, invert. Now you have 6 hours to give 6 0.3mL doses. I guess in some places ensuring you have 6 people in that time frame could be an issue
My problem is the rapid thaw
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27121890 - 01/02/21 11:33 AM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Why? Rapidly thawing is better than slow
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27122118 - 01/02/21 01:36 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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I seriously doubt that. I mean its common sense. MRNA seems incredibly fragile to me that kind of rapid swing cant be good ill tell you that. Not to mention there seems to be very little scientific accuracy to the whole pop it on the counter thing.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27122158 - 01/02/21 01:59 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Why does it seem that way to you...? Even if it is... are you aware that the mRNA is packaged with 8 other ingredients? Some synethic lipids, proteins, and salts designed to maintain integrity of the nucleic acids and facilitate their entry into the cell
I have a friend who does contract analytical chem for pharm companies who gave me a lot of insight into the process. Basically they contract (or use salaried) chemists and biochemists to tell them how the mrna will behave in various solutions and at various temperatures and with various additives. The recommendations are not arbitrary, they do a lot of experimentation. Even tho this is the first mrna vaccine in use the tech itself has been well researched for years
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#27122334 - 01/02/21 03:51 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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This dude had a catastrophic cerebrovascular event three weeks after getting covid. I would not be surprised if covid precipitated his death.
https://www.pennlive.com/politics/2021/01/republican-rep-mike-reese-dead-at-42.html
Also, Larry King is supposedly seriously ill with covid
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27122350 - 01/02/21 03:59 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that at the very least, covid accelerated the inevitable in that case.
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