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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#27115869 - 12/30/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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No.
The efficacy number is simply the ratio of infections seen in the vaccinated group compared to the placebo group. 90% efficacy means theres a 90% reduction in infections compared to the non-vaccinated group.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#27115872 - 12/30/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: This is another thing that pissed me off. My sister is a pharmacist and she says they had absolutely zero planning or logistics hammered out for the distribution of the vaccine. Like absolutely nobody thought to bother to think about last mile delivery in the disaster pandemic. Last mile delivery should be one the first things you think about in these types of scenario. I mean who's fucking in charge of this shit honestly. They should be put in jail for gross negligence. She said they didn't even know what type of vaccine it was going to be or what type equipment till like a month ago. When I asked how much hypothetical planning they did to prepare she said zero with a look like well I would have done that but nobody told me to do that. I mean seriously you people need to sort your shit out.
Yeah unless you work in a hospital or live in a nursing home, most people have no clue when or where they can get the vaccine. There’s no public information campaign at all.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods] 1
#27115875 - 12/30/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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The Feds left that up to the states to hammer out koods. Operation warp speed. Why would the totally inept administration help out the govenors after they ran thier mouth off so much at trump for mishandling this whole thing. If they're such big brainiacs they'll figure it out.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27115888 - 12/30/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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Also for the public information my state has to go day by day cuz apparently warpspeed means we dont know how many when or where any these vaccines are coming from. We're also now having to set up our own systems to track shit cuz some of our stuff is falling off the back the truck already and whoops nobody knows theres no system.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27115904 - 12/30/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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koods said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: This is another thing that pissed me off. My sister is a pharmacist and she says they had absolutely zero planning or logistics hammered out for the distribution of the vaccine. Like absolutely nobody thought to bother to think about last mile delivery in the disaster pandemic. Last mile delivery should be one the first things you think about in these types of scenario. I mean who's fucking in charge of this shit honestly. They should be put in jail for gross negligence. She said they didn't even know what type of vaccine it was going to be or what type equipment till like a month ago. When I asked how much hypothetical planning they did to prepare she said zero with a look like well I would have done that but nobody told me to do that. I mean seriously you people need to sort your shit out.
Yeah unless you work in a hospital or live in a nursing home, most people have no clue when or where they can get the vaccine. There’s no public information campaign at all.
It seems to me that for some reason things are more organized where I live than most places. Not sure if it is because the med center is here. We have had easy access to free testing since april. Phase 1b includes anyone over 65 in texas, so my parents qualify. They contacted CVS and their PCP who put them on a list to be contacted when 1b starts. Supposedly it could start next week.
I was actually very impressed with the efficiency of the system in place for actually giving it. The place I was at could likely accommodate a thousand people per day. I was in and out within 30 minutes despite there being like 30 people in line ahead of me. The speed with which they must have hired and trained all the vaccination staff is crazy
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27115912 - 12/30/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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Statistics are dumb.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27115938 - 12/30/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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morrowasted said:
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koods said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: This is another thing that pissed me off. My sister is a pharmacist and she says they had absolutely zero planning or logistics hammered out for the distribution of the vaccine. Like absolutely nobody thought to bother to think about last mile delivery in the disaster pandemic. Last mile delivery should be one the first things you think about in these types of scenario. I mean who's fucking in charge of this shit honestly. They should be put in jail for gross negligence. She said they didn't even know what type of vaccine it was going to be or what type equipment till like a month ago. When I asked how much hypothetical planning they did to prepare she said zero with a look like well I would have done that but nobody told me to do that. I mean seriously you people need to sort your shit out.
Yeah unless you work in a hospital or live in a nursing home, most people have no clue when or where they can get the vaccine. There’s no public information campaign at all.
It seems to me that for some reason things are more organized where I live than most places. Not sure if it is because the med center is here. We have had easy access to free testing since april. Phase 1b includes anyone over 65 in texas, so my parents qualify. They contacted CVS and their PCP who put them on a list to be contacted when 1b starts. Supposedly it could start next week.
I was actually very impressed with the efficiency of the system in place for actually giving it. The place I was at could likely accommodate a thousand people per day. I was in and out within 30 minutes despite there being like 30 people in line ahead of me. The speed with which they must have hired and trained all the vaccination staff is crazy
We've been doing elderly ppl here. The point places were meant to get x amount of doses didn't cuz places took them. I think like one was the cops took a bunch from old sick people cuz they counted wrong maybe I'm remembering it wrong but stuff like that. Like its getting diverted to the top bidder stuff too. Testing has been free the whole time here. I seriously doubt your vaccinating 1000 people a day at that facility. Again all this would have been possible if people you know set it up before like the day it rolled out. Why is it seem like it was some surprise that a vaccine needed to be rolled out. Like nobody thought about it
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27115973 - 12/30/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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I think you just dont understand all of the logistical difficulties involved in rolling this thing out. It is easy to criticize from your armchair. I understand that everyone is anxious to get vaccinated but the idea that the process just "should be" seamless is absurd. Nothing happens because it should happen, it happens because people make it happen. The "people" in this case are health care workers, who are already stretched very thin, so I was frankly shocked to see a room with like 50 temp health care workers of various kinds just distributing vaccine.
And a thousand people is my estimate. This was in the largest hospital system of the largest medical center in the world. There were easily 70 people sitting in the "post vaccination" 15 minute waiting area and they were there all day long. They were vaccinating not only their own staff but people from all over, and that hospital (not system, just that hospital) alone employs nearly 8000 staff. They were rolling it out fast, almost all health care workers are already vaccinated here. Many the major hospitals "umbrella'd in" the staff from a lot of smaller places. There were like 25 hubs around the city to choose from when I registered.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27116001 - 12/30/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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Lady of the postal service at the door just now with a package, in the evening.
She said "Sorry for the delay but your regular postman has COVID and had to be replaced"
Damn, my aunt died of it, now my postman had it..
Did I take a parcel when he was contagious? Did mail he delivered act like a vector? 
Parcel held 480x 3mg Melatonin tablets mut as much for their sleep improving properties but as part of the MARIK protocol of prevention and care for Covid
Sign o the times..
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante]
#27116613 - 12/30/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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My county is beginning to vaccinate group 1b. My parents signed up for tomorrow
Im so happy
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27116745 - 12/30/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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Glad to hear that you and the family are going to be safe very soon. Based on the demographic that I fit in to and the rollout where I live it seems like it will be at least July before I can get the vaccine
I hope those people that get the vaccine early feel privileged, as many people that want it are going to have to wait.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: pslyke] 1
#27116802 - 12/30/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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they are incredibly grateful. i havent heard them sound so optimistic in a long long time
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27116953 - 12/30/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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My neighbor, his wife and their 4 year old had it a couple weeks ago. That's the most real experience I've had with covid. All of them are fine. The kid had no symptoms, the wife had no smell no taste and slightly elevated temperature for two days, the mister had it the hardest, fever for three days and he coughed for a week and a half. Covid is weird.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: ZenZone]
#27117107 - 12/30/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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There are probably some key genetic markers that strongly predict a poor outcome
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27117615 - 12/31/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/532186-us-sets-daily-coronavirus-death-record-for-second-straight-day
..."The country reported at least 3,903 COVID-19 related deaths on Wednesday, according to The Atlantic’s COVID Tracking Project".
The previous fatality record was recorded just the day before, with 3,725 deaths reported on Tuesday...
more like 
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: vinsue]
#27117667 - 12/31/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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if youre in texas and over 65 or over 16 with comorbidities you can now go get it
check this map for locations: https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=91ac7fb5e5fd47e7ada4acfe4a05920a
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: morrowasted]
#27117722 - 12/31/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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He was on a ventilator with covid
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27117955 - 12/31/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Coulda happened anyway koods you don't know.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27117993 - 12/31/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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I mean technically everyone dies from cardiac arrest.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods] 1
#27118158 - 12/31/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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no, technically everyone dies from cerebral hypoxia.
heart attack = blockage in coronary artery -> myocardial ischemia -> necrosis -> reduced cardiac output -> reduced flow of oxygenated blood to brain -> cerebral hypoxia -> brain death
but for example GSW victims still die from cerebral hypoxia without really having a "heart attack": reduced blood volume -> reduced blood pressure -> reduced perfusion to brain -> cerebral hypoxia -> brain death
this is why you start CPR with chest thrusts. pump whatever oxygenated blood is left to the brain before worrying about anything else.
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