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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #27422146 - 08/10/21 06:42 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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All of the covid variants that have emerged likely came from the unvaccinated population. Delta came from India.

Vaccines are not a force field. If you get the vaccine you get antibodies. You can still become infected because a vaccine isn't a body condom. Once infected you already have antibodies so you don't become nearly as infected and may not get sick at all. The virus is in vaccinated people significantly less time and thus less opportunity to mutate.

Mutation happens regardless. And largely among the unvaccinated. We can make new mRNA vaccines quickly anyway.

It's probably time to put paradox on ignore at this point he's acting like a Russian bot




How come polio and smallpox vaccines basically made those two diseases extinct then? I'm not talking mechanism, explain to me how the genetic drift that caused them to basically do extinct didn't have to do with getting vaccinated and then NOT transmitting it to other people

i'm not saying you can't get the disease if you're vaccinated. I"m saying that there is a vast body of research that says if you can get it while vaccinated and still transmit it, that could very well be more dangerous then no having a vaccine (aka the vaccines that kinda work and then don't get distributed to 100% of the people in this country cause they're not in an at risk population. not everyone in this country is vaccinated.)

I'm 100% not saying that a vaccine is a forcefield. That is you. you're also wildly aggressive. is this cause of a small penis


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422149 - 08/10/21 06:44 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

If you guys want me to stop, just offer me a job, you guys are quite coordinated and my byself i'm holding my own against you guys. you clearly think i'm a russian troll, you guys must be doing something like that. offer me a jb.


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[quote]koods said:
Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: falcon]
    #27422150 - 08/10/21 06:45 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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.    I still maintain my prediction that long term, you will see higher mortality rates among populations with high, but incompletely vaccination of healthy people then rates of populations with higher rates of vaccination of at risk people.




A comparison of two groups that defines the groups in a way that does not clearly separate them  is paradoxical.





a paradox is something that seems incorrect at first glance, but upon second inspection is correct.


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422155 - 08/10/21 06:50 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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All of the covid variants that have emerged likely came from the unvaccinated population. Delta came from India.

Vaccines are not a force field. If you get the vaccine you get antibodies. You can still become infected because a vaccine isn't a body condom. Once infected you already have antibodies so you don't become nearly as infected and may not get sick at all. The virus is in vaccinated people significantly less time and thus less opportunity to mutate.

Mutation happens regardless. And largely among the unvaccinated. We can make new mRNA vaccines quickly anyway.

It's probably time to put paradox on ignore at this point he's acting like a Russian bot





except the Lambda came from San Francisco



If San Francisco is a town in South America, you may be right.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422156 - 08/10/21 06:51 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Lambda came from South Africa.

And let's say it did come from san Francisco. Are you still suggesting we would be better off not vaccinating?


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27422157 - 08/10/21 06:52 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)



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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422158 - 08/10/21 06:53 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

It's cool we're used to you trying to wing it


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27422159 - 08/10/21 06:53 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Beta is South Africa

Lambda is Peru


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27422160 - 08/10/21 06:54 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Lambda came from South Africa.

And let's say it did come from san Francisco. Are you still suggesting we would be better off not vaccinating?





Dude no, I'm saying in overall vaccine strategy that might be an option depending on certain specific numbers that we don't know and are different for every vaccine or virus

I'm only arguing because you guys are denying the existence of a natural process. I am vaccinated and I mask up.


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[quote]koods said:
Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


Edited by paradoxlost (08/10/21 06:55 AM)


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27422161 - 08/10/21 06:55 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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It's cool we're used to you trying to wing it





Well it's easy to wing it when you're just wrong about how nature works and how sciences has cataloged those observations


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[quote]koods said:
Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422162 - 08/10/21 06:55 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/08/07/delta-plus-covid-variant-detected-san-francisco-bay-area/

Delta covid plus

Sorry




Didn’t arise in San Francisco


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost] * 1
    #27422165 - 08/10/21 06:57 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Lambda came from South Africa.

And let's say it did come from san Francisco. Are you still suggesting we would be better off not vaccinating?





Dude no, I'm saying in overall vaccine strategy that might be an option depending on certain specific numbers that we don't know.


I'm only arguing because you guys are denying the existence of a natural process. I am vaccinated and I mask up.




You read one paper about something that happened with a vaccine to a virus that is totally unrelated to coronaviruses and is so rare that nobody had ever observed it before and you’ve made it your religion


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422166 - 08/10/21 06:59 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

What about delta covid plus


And even if it's not as bad of a virus, then accept that in different areas that have massively different variables at play you get different evolutionary paths of the virus. The vaccine is one of those variables. It is more likely to become vaccine resist when that chemical fence is there to be tested then just randomly adopting that mutation not correlated with anything else.

Or the virus could suppress the virus so we'll that it has no progeny. Rarely does it evolve to be less symptomatic and not responsive to a non evolving set of immunity. This is why the mRNA vaccine is even attractive in the first place.


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422167 - 08/10/21 07:02 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Lambda came from South Africa.

And let's say it did come from san Francisco. Are you still suggesting we would be better off not vaccinating?





Dude no, I'm saying in overall vaccine strategy that might be an option depending on certain specific numbers that we don't know.


I'm only arguing because you guys are denying the existence of a natural process. I am vaccinated and I mask up.




You read one paper about something that happened with a vaccine to a virus that is totally unrelated to coronaviruses and is so rare that nobody had ever observed it before and you’ve made it your religion



No I've made my religion not being shitty at applying science. You think cause you work with humans you know. I wish ecosystems were as simple as human anatomy.


Also I've posted a fuck ton of papers AND I bet I'm the only person who actually read the ones you posted. Why wouldnt you want that kind of discourse as an example to others.


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


Edited by paradoxlost (08/10/21 07:07 AM)


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost] * 1
    #27422169 - 08/10/21 07:03 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Please stop, by blindly rejecting what appears to be a rational argument you are creating more antivaxxers.

and by stop i mean, stop blindly rejecting my argument and post up studies of viral genetic drift after a vaccination of a population that resulted in selection of mutations that were less deadly.

(you're right i should have not used the word 'caused' and used the phrase 'resulted in the selection.' clearly the vaccine isn't making these mutations. i just was using the word 'cause' because those mutations would most likely not have been selected for if for not the vaccine. this was supported by the paper i posted from cell showing that immunities imparted by the body were more general then the vaccine as they take the nucleoplasmid rather then the antigens AND BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THERE IS MORE SURFACE  AREA OF NUCLEOPLASMID THEN ANTIGEN it makes it a more general immunity).


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


Edited by paradoxlost (08/10/21 07:21 AM)


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost] * 1
    #27422202 - 08/10/21 07:36 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)



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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422223 - 08/10/21 07:54 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Make comparison without a dichotomy, can't be wrong.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: falcon]
    #27422286 - 08/10/21 08:57 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Or use stats where you predict the outcome and null hypothesis without explaining how it happened. Can't be wrong.


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422317 - 08/10/21 09:21 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Fire with fire, controlled burn.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: falcon] * 1
    #27422323 - 08/10/21 09:27 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Paradox your argument isn't rational at all as well you're still confusing drug resistance with vaccines. There's no vaccine resistance there's antibody resistance. If the virus mutates enough that the antibodies caused by the current vaccine no longer work we can update the vaccine. You can always make a new antibodies for new proteins. You can't always make a new antibiotic or chemical to fight bacteria or bugs.

You have failed on every level to have a meaningful point


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