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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#27399623 - 07/23/21 07:40 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: I'd have a better opinion of religion if it weren't for the fact that religious people
I think it important, when considering such things, to ask if they are attached to 'organized' religion.
The moment people are, I feel that they start going down dark paths. Near everyone I know is kinda religious, but very few of them are very attached to the organized stuff.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 4
#27399639 - 07/23/21 07:58 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: I'd have a better opinion of religion if it weren't for the fact that religious people
I think it important, when considering such things, to ask if they are attached to 'organized' religion.
The moment people are, I feel that they start going down dark paths. Near everyone I know is kinda religious, but very few of them are very attached to the organized stuff.
Religion can be organized and still not be shitty, and it can be shitty without being organized, but when it's shitty AND organized, woo boy. Watch out.
But that's true of any organized shittyness.
I think it's the being 'kinda' religious that makes the difference. it's when they're 'super' religious and think they need to do something about those people who are doing it wrong that things get out of hand.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 4
#27399650 - 07/23/21 08:06 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said: I question the sanity and mental stability of people with religious beliefs.
Doesn't everyone have religious beliefs? I mean even an atheist has a religious belief IMO; they just believe that God does not exist..
Semantics, perhaps.
I’ve actually tried pretty hard to have no beliefs in terms of religion. When I first got heavy into psychedelics, DMT in particular, my brain/consciousness/“ego”....whatever terminology you want to use... went crazy trying to explain or rationalize things. I latched onto all sorts of different spiritual and philosophical and religious (mainly Buddhist) beliefs and concepts/theories to try to explain the unexplainable awe of what I was fleetingly exposed to during my trips and quell my existential anxiety. So much of it was relatable on such a deep level.
I even committed to materialism when I wasn’t completely satisfied with the ‘spiritual path’... quit my career and got a degree with a focus in perceptual neuroscience and was in the process of applying for my PhD at Johns Hopkins to study the neuroscience of psychedelics, thinking that cognition and psychedelics in particular were one of the final frontiers for understanding reality itself.
Almost in a dunning-kreuger manner the more I learned and studied everything the more I understood that we can’t even trust our perceptions, the very things that tie us to our reality and our conscious experience. Evolutionarily our senses and therefore almost certainly all the thoughts that come from the interpretation of their data aren’t designed to experience or see reality authentically, they’re instead fine tuned to increase our fitness and survival of the species, leading to a brain that takes in the data from our senses then completely rejects or simplifies it all and/or outright manufactures the reality that we consciously experience, and in that process hides whatever the raw data of “base” reality actually is on a level that we’re now somewhat equipped to detect through neuroscience and even basic optical illusions. I also understand that even all of that could very likely be bullshit with no relation to what’s actually going on in whatever reality is, which is why I stopped studying neuroscience for any sort of existential fulfillment.
To be convinced of anything is to be closed-minded and foolish, it’s natural and not a bad thing at all, but that’s just objective rationality based upon the lack of data and the circumstances we’re constrained to. That goes just as much for denying religious beliefs as it does to being committed to them, both represent a large area of your existence where you’re being closed-minded and rejecting your own naivety in the scheme of things. It’s possible that the more deeply you believe in something, the further you’re getting from the very state of mind that most religious and spiritual practices ultimately strive to cultivate.
As I was implying in my fortune cookie example though my mind is still pretty prone to having these weird underlying beliefs that I know are illusory but even knowing that I keep them because I want what they have to offer... some sort of control or understanding or something that actually makes sense on a deeper level. Ultimately I believe that even my thinking that trying to rid myself of this attachment to belief is the right way to do things is a belief in itself, and I believe it’s crazy and foolish. It’s an endless cycle
Sorry to continue drifting off topic
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27399661 - 07/23/21 08:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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ManianFH said: asking yourself if youve ever actually been wrong about something...
I'm wrong ALL the time. I love being wrong, because when I'm wrong it means I just learned something.
I'm not sure how many people out there are that way inclined about being wrong though. I figure I'm wrong about 75% of the time. .
how should I know?
I can tell you how often I make bad calls and someone is hurt as a result. Not many. Is that the same thing? If not it kinda feels more important to me, anyway
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted]
#27399669 - 07/23/21 08:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: how should I know?
How often have you changed your stance on something?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27399683 - 07/23/21 08:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you wrote out a list of questions people routinely debate I'd say I've changed my stance on nearly all of them during my life
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted] 1
#27399687 - 07/23/21 08:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted]
#27399704 - 07/23/21 09:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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My favorite COVID/vaccine skeptics are the endless amount of people who say they believe the virus is a lab-made human creation(yes it could be), but then also say that the superior choice is to fight it off the “natural” way.
I think a lot of people just get lost in their own mind and essentially give up on trying to understand things when confronted with complex information, letting a youtube video or blog post do the thinking for you makes life infinitely easier.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27399749 - 07/23/21 09:47 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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it's a learned reaction to feeling helpless imo
people with lower "IQs" and/or higher levels of neuroticism tend to feel helpless more often
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27399825 - 07/23/21 11:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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My bad koods. I didn’t mean all that shade at you, just in a hot mood and read the wrong thing. I’m sure u don’t care, but it aint personal
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27399827 - 07/24/21 12:05 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: I'd have a better opinion of religion if it weren't for the fact that religious people
I think it important, when considering such things, to ask if they are attached to 'organized' religion.
The moment people are, I feel that they start going down dark paths. Near everyone I know is kinda religious, but very few of them are very attached to the organized stuff.
I get both sides of this argument. Anything can be used for good or bad, sometimes the wrong idiot or group of idiots wrecks a good thing and it’s reputation.
-------------------- notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... " ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: ManianFH] 1
#27399861 - 07/24/21 01:42 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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This thread took a turn back there, and I like it.
The closest thing to religion I've got is occasionally doing an online Iching reading. It's all vague symbolic bullshit, but it helps me look at whatever i'm worried about with a different perspective.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods] 3
#27399873 - 07/24/21 02:08 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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deucedbi9 said: I was questioning the metaphysical nonsense behind the statement FFS.
Do you question peoples religious beliefs often?
Seems like a shitty thing to do to me.
Why? Stupid beliefs should be challenged. I personally find it a little perverse to consider suffering virtuous.
Stupid interpretations should be challenged too.
I didnt say that suffering is virtuous, but that hardship is compensated in the rest of life and the hereafter.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Asante]
#27400338 - 07/24/21 12:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey, maybe the Trumpsters will get the vaccine if they think it will trigger the libs.
Everybody start posting things to social media like "MAGATARDS ARE TAKING ALL OUR VACCINES AND IT MAKES ME SO MAD I AM LITERALLY SHAKING AND CRYING RIGHT NOW!!!"
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27400628 - 07/24/21 04:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Meaning/purpose find the path, not the truth.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted]
#27400939 - 07/24/21 09:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where is the crisis?
Articulate insubordinance.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: anatomality] 1
#27400947 - 07/24/21 09:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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De-Fauci’d Florida is a dumpster fire
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
#27400949 - 07/24/21 09:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn 15k cases per day?
Are there may elderly down there?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: anatomality]
#27400994 - 07/24/21 10:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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anatomality said: Damn 15k cases per day?
Are there may elderly down there?
they had 4,465,169 people over 65 in 2020
if you dont include the ppl that turned 65 in the meantime and people who died from non covid related deaths, there were 4,460,838 in by June of that year.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted]
#27401005 - 07/24/21 10:40 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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358 deaths in FLA this week.
That's 9 busloads of people who died from being afraid of vaccines.
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