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The Blind Ass
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted] 1
#27387931 - 07/14/21 08:29 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: people can determine the actual value of anyones legacy. But there is a moment in which everyone both needs deserves and their sympathy, if growth is to occur. My role is to be there at that moment
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koods
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: The Blind Ass] 2
#27388110 - 07/14/21 11:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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France isn’t fucking around. Unvaccinated people will no longer be allowed in stadiums, theatres, bars, cafes, restaurants and public transportation starting in august.
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koods
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods] 1
#27390660 - 07/16/21 06:41 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Look what’s happened to vaccination rates in France since the country decided to mandate the vaccine for access to crowded spaces:

Every governor has the power to enact mandates like this in the US, and the federal government has the power to do so for things like air travel, cruises and federal properties and parks. The labor department could require employers mandate the vaccine for employees as a regulation.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
#27390673 - 07/16/21 06:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exponential growth of covid cases in Florida and Texas. Not a fucking thing will be done. Rate of growth in Florida is faster than all the other waves. 400% increase in three weeks. Florida is now seeing the same number of daily cases the entire country was seeing in mid June. This is what happens when you don’t fauci Florida.
I’m going to a nightclub tonight for the first time since January 2020. I’m kinda wondering how long before things start getting restricted again because of unvaccinated assholes.
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gopher
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
#27390693 - 07/16/21 07:16 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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im not getting my second shot till september
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: gopher]
#27390709 - 07/16/21 07:31 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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In the US we are now at the point where everybody has the opportunity to be fully vaccinated and we should stop fucking around with these people and their stupid fucking feelings.
There is a century of legal precedents for barring unvaccinated people from public spaces. It’s time to get serious, we are on the verge of the worst covid wave we’ve had so far.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
#27391006 - 07/17/21 07:09 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Restaurant owners in California starting to fire their unvaccinated staff.
All new restrictions that result from this wave should be borne by the unvaccinated.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
#27391032 - 07/17/21 07:51 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been traveling, going to restaurants, live shows and sporting events, haven't worn a mask outside of a hospital since like April, we haven't had a single COVID positive in the hospital since March or so
Meanwhile in Missouri:
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The hospital is now busier than at any previous point during the pandemic. In just five weeks, it took in as many COVID-19 patients as it did over five months last year. Ten minutes away, another big hospital, Cox Medical Center South, has been inundated just as quickly. “We only get beds available when someone dies, which happens several times a day,” Terrence Coulter, the critical-care medical director at CoxHealth, told me.
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“We had someone spit in a nurse’s eye because she told him he had COVID and he didn’t believe her,” Edwards said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/07/delta-missouri-pandemic-surge/619456/
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Asante
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27391049 - 07/17/21 08:16 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Attached is a report by the Center for Countering Digital Hate, that reveals that 2/3 of all antivaxx disinformation comes from just 12 social media accounts and their backings.
Interesting report that says it without mitigation.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Asante] 5
#27391359 - 07/17/21 01:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27391371 - 07/17/21 01:50 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The ivermectin conspiracy continues to unravel...
"Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns" https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns
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If you remove this one study from the scientific literature, suddenly there are very few positive randomised control trials of ivermectin for Covid-19. Indeed, if you get rid of just this research, most meta-analyses that have found positive results would have their conclusions entirely reversed.”
This is after the last "major" study 6+ months ago got pulled by it's author because the data was fudged https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27086771#27086771
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27391377 - 07/17/21 01:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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its like how every fat is bad study cites ancel keys 22 7 country study
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budmanman
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: gopher]
#27391922 - 07/17/21 09:58 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mndfreeze 
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: budmanman]
#27391928 - 07/17/21 10:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's been known and stated from the beginning that the vaccine does not grant complete immunity. It basically just massively lessens the symptoms.
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budmanman
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#27391942 - 07/17/21 10:18 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well it's been known since the beginning that 50% of people who catch it don't even get symptoms.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus
"Researchers say anywhere from 25 percent to 80 percent of people with COVID-19 are unaware they have the virus."
If you are a healthy individual and not prone to illness I am not quite sure what you are getting vaccinated for.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: budmanman] 1
#27392070 - 07/18/21 01:50 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.
And I am mentally unstable.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Lynnch]
#27392111 - 07/18/21 03:31 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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He likes to hear himself talk.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: budmanman] 2
#27392231 - 07/18/21 07:48 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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budmanman said:
If you are a healthy individual and not prone to illness I am not quite sure what you are getting vaccinated for.
Dude literally everyone here knows that you don't understand why people would get vaccinated you don't have to keep saying it.
Everyone understands that you don't get it. That you won't get it because you parrot the group think of your clique. You won't spend the time to understand anything that doesn't fit your opinion, expectations or narrative. If you don't agree with it it's wrong. That's why you keep filling your ears up with junk. You've got your head in the sand but your mouth on a soap box.
Maybe one day you'll start thinking for yourself and actually come to conclusions from reason and logic rather than emotion. But by all means keep listing to jimmy dore and other rubbish.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#27392238 - 07/18/21 07:56 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Biased interpretation of facts" isn't some fringe thing, and it's not just him doing it. Literally everyone is doing it, all the time. That's why everyone looks like a jackass arguing about this shit. Doesn't matter who you are. You're still shouting your opinion about something. Why? Because you can't tell people what reasonable assessment of risk is without assuming you can control them.
"Everyone is jumping off bridges, Billy. But if you jump from here you'll be okay."
"I think I'll just go home." -Billy
You nor anyone can guarantee infection, and you can't guarantee if they do get infected that they will be hospitalized or transmit the virus to anyone. It's a lot of assumptions from both sides. Does one side have more science? Sure. But science is wrong all the time, and how many of the people arguing this are qualified to even support the argument without some inherent bias? Not too many, considering how futile everyone finds it to empathize with one another. Choosing one angle to view things is not smart. It's arrogant.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: larry.fisherman] 1
#27392350 - 07/18/21 10:21 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: "Biased interpretation of facts" isn't some fringe thing, and it's not just him doing it. Literally everyone is doing it, all the time. That's why everyone looks like a jackass arguing about this shit. Doesn't matter who you are. You're still shouting your opinion about something. Why? Because you can't tell people what reasonable assessment of risk is without assuming you can control them.
"Everyone is jumping off bridges, Billy. But if you jump from here you'll be okay."
"I think I'll just go home." -Billy
You nor anyone can guarantee infection, and you can't guarantee if they do get infected that they will be hospitalized or transmit the virus to anyone. It's a lot of assumptions from both sides. Does one side have more science? Sure. But science is wrong all the time, and how many of the people arguing this are qualified to even support the argument without some inherent bias? Not too many, considering how futile everyone finds it to empathize with one another. Choosing one angle to view things is not smart. It's arrogant.
The thing is that this is not "the science could be wrong" territory, this is piles of data that are easy to interpret and close to as black and white as you can get. It's all backed anecdotally by what those of us who work in healthcare have been seeing in the field.
The vaccine reduces hospitalizations and deaths to a number pretty close to 0%. As far as transmission, both animal and human studies show that the vaccine greatly reduces infection and transmission. It's not 100%, but it's a significant amount.
The data suggest that you have between a 10%-40% chance of hospitalization if you catch COVID depending on your age and risk factors, and more than a 10% chance of having long-term effects and decreased quality of life for 6+ months even with a mild case that did not require hospitalization.
Risk assessment has nothing to do with "assuming you can control people", it's about looking at the available data and seeing that the vaccine greatly lowers your risk of long-term effects, hospitalization, and deaths... as well as the risk that you will contract the virus in the first place, and transmit it once infected. It also factors in the unknown variable of risk of mutations should the virus be allowed to spread unchecked.
You can be a free thinker and not "choose one angle to view things", but that doesn't change the fact that if you refuse the vaccine you're making a riskier decision that is also increasing the risk of those around you as well. At that point it becomes more of a philosophical question.
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