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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27385041 - 07/12/21 08:45 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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What country do YOU hail from and have THEY not done some messed up thing?



I don't hail from any country any more. Citizen of the world man.





Come on that's a cop out.


You can't bash America and not state where you hailed from.


I know you've grown up and evolved passed your genetic sings but where do you hail from?


There is no "world" ... have you noticed? It's all segregated by race, income, and location.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Fiery] * 1
    #27385066 - 07/12/21 09:01 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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You can't bash America and not state where you hailed from. 



Who says so? Just because Americans so identify with their country it means I have to also?

I don't live by no one else's rules mate.

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There is no "world" ... have you noticed? It's all segregated by race, income, and location.



That's not what I see. I see a planet full of humans, all the same.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27385073 - 07/12/21 09:04 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

England probably deported you.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Fiery]
    #27385087 - 07/12/21 09:15 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Hi guys.



I got the 2 dose moderna, but should I go ahead and get the J n J and also the Phizer?



Will the doctor let me get all 3 vaccines?



if you enroll in a trial


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted]
    #27385099 - 07/12/21 09:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

All the vaccines contain the same genetic material that encodes the spike protein, the only difference is how they make the spike protein and the adjuvants and methods they use to activate the immune response. Moderna and Pfizer have the best immune response of the all the vaccines, so while some doctors are suggesting people who got the J&J get an mRNA shot, i haven’t heard anyone suggest people who got the mRNA shots get another type.

In the end the antibodies you get are the same no matter what vaccine you get.

The mRNA vaccines will likely be updated to be multivalent against other strains. When those come out you can get another shot.


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**** ASTERISK - COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27385242 - 07/12/21 11:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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A year and a half of arguing with people, trying to convince them that maybe they ought to take this thing seriously, has led people like koods (and me, honestly) to say "Fine, fucking die if you want to" ...You get that right?



Yes and no. I understand frustration, but a lack of compassion is something I will never understand.




Hey you quoted me saying something someone else said! This thread now has an asterisk!


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
    #27385259 - 07/13/21 12:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

No, it's not political at all. Just an opinion, man.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-supporters-think-theyre-players-%e2%80%94-but-theyre-still-just-pawns/ar-AAM3PyT?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnbfcL
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Donald Trump at CPAC | Anti-vaccine rally protesters hold signs outside of Houston Methodist Hospital in Houston, Texas, on June 26, 2021 Photo illustration by Salon/Getty Images

Do Donald Trump supporters actually believe the Big Lie?

We know they certainly like telling pollsters they do. The latest polling from Monmouth University shows that 63% of Republican voters continue to insist that Joe Biden only won the 2020 election because of voter fraud. But is this something they really believe, or something they simply say out of tribalist loyalties because they believe that repeating the lie is useful justification for the GOP war on voting?

On Sunday night, we got strong evidence that, for the most part, Republican voters understand that the Big Lie is indeed a lie. They just repeat it because they view themselves as co-conspirators in perpetuating it.

In his speech at the second "annual" Conservative Political Action Conference of the year, Trump bragged about how he lies about polls and elections when he doesn't win them. "You know, they do that straw poll, right?" Trump asked, referring to the 2024 GOP nominee straw poll CPAC conducted of attendees. "If it's bad, I say it's fake. If it's good, I say, that's the most accurate poll perhaps ever."

The "humor" of this not-actually-a-joke is due to being a sly reference to the Big Lie — an admission on Trump's part that he didn't win in 2020 and is merely saying otherwise for political gain. And it's no surprise that Trump went there. He loves to brag about how much corruption and crime he gets away with.

What is perhaps more important is the audience's reaction to this not-a-joke.

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Trump got a huge laugh from the CPAC crowd, despite the death and destruction the Big Lie has already caused. As the clip went viral, there was no outraged reaction from GOP voters, no anger that he lies to them in order to enlist their support for an authoritarian coup. Trump supporters aren't mad about Trump admitting he lied for one simple reason: They don't think they're the ones being lied to. They think they're in on it. They know why the Big Lie has been propped up, first to justify Trump's failed coup and now for the ongoing efforts by the GOP to steal the next election. They see themselves as co-conspirators, and thus knowingly laugh at this in-joke about the conspiracy.

But just because the typical GOP supporter thinks he's in on the con doesn't mean he's not a dupe. On the contrary, Trump and other right-wing leaders deeply understand the adage that you can't cheat an honest man. Letting GOP voters believe they're in on the authoritarian schemes is the way that Trump and other leaders trick these folks into being their pawns.

This was clearly illustrated by another disgusting moment at CPAC over the weekend, when Alex Berenson, an anti-vaccination conspiracy theorist, celebrated his success at persuading so many right-wing Americans to reject the shots that have otherwise proven successful at safely preventing COVID-19.

"The government was hoping that they could sort of sucker 90% of the population into getting vaccinated," Berenson said, "and it isn't happening."

I'm just one of a handful of commentators who have been saying, for months, as Brian Beutler of Crooked Media noted in his latest newsletter, "that the right would try to sabotage recovery from the plague under a Democratic president." In this view, every transmission, every hospitalization, and every death is a victory, because it keeps COVID-19 in the news and denies Biden his ability to say he beat it. And if they have to use their own bodies to make that happen, well, so be it.

That may sound paranoid, but as Beutler points out, these are the same conservative leaders who "sought to destabilize the [Affordable Care Act's] marketplaces by encouraging young people to forego health insurance altogether, to accept enormous personal risks for the good of the larger goal of damaging the Obama presidency and discrediting government for the common good." Killing people, even their own people, is seen as an acceptable price to pay for partisan warfare.

Again, what is telling is the crowd's reaction at CPAC — cheers and applause. They're thrilled at their success at undermining Biden's goals and delighted that case counts are rising in red areas in the country. This reaction shows that, for conservatives, refusing the vaccine is really more about being part of a larger war to undermine Biden's presidency, and not so much the result of sincere concerns about the vaccine's safety.

Of course, refusing the vaccine means offering your body up to a virus that can be extremely brutal and is often deadly. But conservatives are too tickled by getting one over on Biden to pay attention to the fact that they're the ones taking the serious physical risks. Once again, the best grift works by convincing the mark that they're part of the con.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27385260 - 07/13/21 12:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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You can't bash America and not state where you hailed from. 



Who says so? Just because Americans so identify with their country it means I have to also?

I don't live by no one else's rules mate.







Fine.... Just ignore the question then


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Fiery]
    #27385667 - 07/13/21 09:57 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure JSB has mentioned plenty of times where he grew up (2 countries I believe).


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: psi] * 1
    #27385675 - 07/13/21 10:03 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Four countries/five locations by twelve.

To me it doesn't matter at all where one is born, unless one specifically wants to take on that national personality (which I don't).


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #27386713 - 07/14/21 12:06 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

We are on the verge of another covid wave in the US, this time without any public health measures in place. The delta variant is twice as infectious as previous strains we’ve seen. For communities and regions with low vaccination rates, this may be the worst wave of the pandemic.

Nearly 30,000 new cases today. Look at Florida. I think we learned from last summer that states like
Florida, Texas, Arizona and California were particularly vulnerable to rapid spread in the middle of summer.



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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
    #27387080 - 07/14/21 09:41 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods] * 2
    #27387087 - 07/14/21 09:49 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

We're just gonna keep trying to stop em from dying and bagging em an tagging em when we can't. Now that we (the workers) are vaccinated, people with COVID are just treated like anyone else on isolation precautions. we don't need to do nearly as many work arounds to try and eliminate the possibility of healthcare worker exposure as we used to. 

We'll still wear n95s and all the usual things, but only around COVID patients (or the other rare folk with potentially airborne infections).

A big difference is that in the past they were all physically separated so away from the "non Covid" (AKA either good at maskwearing/distancing or vaccinated) patients. There was this feeling among the patients that this was just something that couldn't be avoided; that they were just the ones who'd been unlucky first, and it was inevitably coming to us all, or something. These days they become aware of the fact that they could've avoided this very quickly upon arriving to the hospital and realizing that almost nobody seems worried about catching this disease that is destroying their lives



I still don't know a single person who got both doses of the mRNA vaccine and subsequently got sick with COVID. I got my second dose 6 months and 3 days ago and increasing body of evidence leads me to believe I can be confident in my immunity for a long while yet- even against whatever variant is likely to emerge in the time between now and whenever I get a booster.

If it weren't for the emotional component of being involved in caregiving and the sanctity of lost human life, instead of "healthcare workers are heroes" the signs on hospitals would just say "I tried to help you." or "I told you so.", right now, etc. 


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted]
    #27387163 - 07/14/21 11:07 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27387183 - 07/14/21 11:21 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

A lady that works in the office where ai work had both doses of Pfizer and just tested positive for covid. That's the only person I've even heard of that has gotten covid with a vaccination.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27387214 - 07/14/21 11:45 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

My mate got it within 3 days of the phizer, hmmm...
I had moderna, got feeling really funky both times, but OK in a few dyas.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27387407 - 07/14/21 02:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The side effects you feel right after the vaccine likely correlate to the severity of symptoms you'd have if you were actually infected.

The simplest way I can try to explain it to most people... These symptoms occur as your immune system responds to the presence of unknown things that "look like they might be part of something alive/threatening, and that isn't you. The trick of vaccines is that you're making the immune system think the body is actually in threat of dying from whatever that thing is, when actually it isn't.

Right or wrong, we can pull off this trick very reliably


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted]
    #27387412 - 07/14/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Yep, I'm all in on vaccine for everyone. Unfortunately others don't want to.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #27387419 - 07/14/21 02:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Well, in terms of the way I interact with the world... I just feel like there are different roles. One of those may be determining what "norms" are. That's not my role. I try to give as much value to the words of the dying that I possibly.. the same kinds of prayers for help from people other than the doctors/nurses...Other people can determine the actual value of anyones legacy. But there is a moment in which everyone both needs deserves and their sympathy, if growth is to occur. My role is to be there at that moment


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: morrowasted]
    #27387475 - 07/14/21 03:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

by request.:shrug::heart:


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