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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Niffla] 1
#27381774 - 07/10/21 11:31 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nah, you just deny them services like we already do with other vaccines. We already do it for a lot of things. After this last year of fuckery I would expect things will clamp down a little more, like the healthcare industry. Plague rats shouldn't be allow to run around willy nilly putting everyone else at risk. The 'muh freedumbz, my body my choice' argument stops applying when it causes harm to others.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Crazy_Horse] 1
#27381794 - 07/10/21 11:52 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers] 1
#27381819 - 07/10/21 12:19 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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ManianFH said: people die from the vaccine too. mandating shit that kills people should for sure not be on the table. How many people now, thousands? Tens of thousands have died from the vaccine? And how many people beyond those that reported symptoms dont report the symptoms that occur as a result of their taking it. How many people have inflamed hearts and dont know it? When will their body respond with a similar reaction in the future to what it perceives as a viable threat?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/
If people want to push a potentially lethal drug on people thats their thing I guess. I stand by the argument that human beings have the right to decide what they put in their bodies without the coercive pressures of the media, government, and pharma companies. If you are vaccinated great - let all the people who arent vaccinated have decided to go with natural immunity deal with it their way.
There have been 331 million vaccine doses administered in the US, the percentage of deaths among people who received a vaccine is at 0.001%. That percentage isn't people who have been killed by the vaccine, just people who died after getting it, which obviously happens a lot because people will continue to die naturally at the standard rate and millions of people are being vaccinated.
As far as the link, it's not confirmed that the kid died from the vaccine. If he did then it's also very likely that his body would have had the same response to COVID, as the vaccine contains the same spike protein which triggers the immune response. The story links at the bottom of that article are about long-term heart dysfunction in children following COVID infection and clinics being opened for children and adults with long-term COVID symptoms. The same is not being done for vaccine recipients, it's a sad story but if it was due to the vaccine then it's an exception to the norm and less statistically relevant than someone dying from a coconut falling on their head.
The reason I cannot get behind this argument that such a minuscule percentage of people have actually died from the vaccine - is because my close friends mom died, too soon after getting vaccinated for it to have been a coconut scenario, there is just no way. A perfectly healthy woman for some 70 years, gets vaccinated, dead within a couple days.
The arguments that go around starting well we can’t be sure of this or that cause, I am sorry, especially after the world was so eager to label any death a Covid 19 death. He was in a motorcycle accident and died, did he potentially have contact with someone with Covid 19? Hmm maybe we’ll then ok Covid death!!
Got the shot and died of internal bleeding the next day? This surely was natural causes…
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: ManianFH] 2
#27381820 - 07/10/21 12:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are a lot more people that haven't died, but have suffered permanent vital organ damage and other bad stuff.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210401/many-show-long-term-organ-damage-after-covid#1
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: ManianFH] 2
#27381853 - 07/10/21 01:01 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: ManianFH] 1
#27381857 - 07/10/21 01:03 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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ManianFH said: people die from the vaccine too. mandating shit that kills people should for sure not be on the table. How many people now, thousands? Tens of thousands have died from the vaccine? And how many people beyond those that reported symptoms dont report the symptoms that occur as a result of their taking it. How many people have inflamed hearts and dont know it? When will their body respond with a similar reaction in the future to what it perceives as a viable threat?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/
If people want to push a potentially lethal drug on people thats their thing I guess. I stand by the argument that human beings have the right to decide what they put in their bodies without the coercive pressures of the media, government, and pharma companies. If you are vaccinated great - let all the people who arent vaccinated have decided to go with natural immunity deal with it their way.
There have been 331 million vaccine doses administered in the US, the percentage of deaths among people who received a vaccine is at 0.001%. That percentage isn't people who have been killed by the vaccine, just people who died after getting it, which obviously happens a lot because people will continue to die naturally at the standard rate and millions of people are being vaccinated.
As far as the link, it's not confirmed that the kid died from the vaccine. If he did then it's also very likely that his body would have had the same response to COVID, as the vaccine contains the same spike protein which triggers the immune response. The story links at the bottom of that article are about long-term heart dysfunction in children following COVID infection and clinics being opened for children and adults with long-term COVID symptoms. The same is not being done for vaccine recipients, it's a sad story but if it was due to the vaccine then it's an exception to the norm and less statistically relevant than someone dying from a coconut falling on their head.
The reason I cannot get behind this argument that such a minuscule percentage of people have actually died from the vaccine - is because my close friends mom died, too soon after getting vaccinated for it to have been a coconut scenario, there is just no way. A perfectly healthy woman for some 70 years, gets vaccinated, dead within a couple days.
The thing is that 'perfectly healthy' people die all the time, especially at that increased age. We had a few months where 40%+ of the population was in the process of getting their vaccinations, so any of the hundreds of thousands of natural and/or strange and unexplainable medical events that would have happened anyway can and will be used by conspiracy theorists as "proof" that the vaccine is bad. The CDC tracks post-vaccine deaths and the numbers are not abnormal, you're just using single anecdotal examples that aren't even decisive in COVID being the cause. The vaccine is not perfectly safe, but its safety profile so far looks far greater than the vaccines all of us have gotten already, and much better than a lot of other things we do on a daily basis that provide no benefit... as opposed to the vaccine, which offers nearly 100% guarantee you will not get seriously sick from a virus you will 100% catch eventually if you're not vaccinated.
In the rehab hospital I work in, a couple months ago the vast majority of stroke patients there had been vaccinated in the days or weeks before they had a stroke. The CNA that told me this was freaked out and using it as a reason to delay her own vaccination, until I pointed out to her the an even larger portion of our patients who had just underwent elective hip and knee surgery had also just had their COVID vaccine. Unless someone believes that the vaccine causes people to seek out elective knee and hip surgery, they can't logically believe that the strokes were due to the vaccine. The truth was just that our percentage of COVID vaccine recipients was in line with the general older-adult population. People who don't take the time or have the ability to understand these fairly simple concepts are the ones easily pulled into the conspiracy orbit.
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The arguments that go around starting well we can’t be sure of this or that cause, I am sorry, especially after the world was so eager to label any death a Covid 19 death. He was in a motorcycle accident and died, did he potentially have contact with someone with Covid 19? Hmm maybe we’ll then ok Covid death!!
Got the shot and died of internal bleeding the next day? This surely was natural causes…
Those sorts of deaths were never classified as covid deaths anyway though, that's one of many conspiracies debunked long-ago that you likely haven't taken the time to critically research. Deaths where COVID was present (including those where it was not the cause of death) were reported as "deaths with COVID", they may have been used inappropriately in some local media reporting but were never a part of the official death count, which counts those where the cause of death is due to COVID. The "deaths with COVID" numbers were just tracked because it's useful data for analyzing trends, it's common epidemiological and public health procedure and not some conspiracy to inflate things.
Every single expert in the field agree that deaths were very likely undercounted, if you'd like to suggest that they were overcounted you're going to need to show a pretty hefty pile of evidence that has somehow been hidden from the medical and scientific community.
And as Crazy_Horse alluded the death toll doesn't even begin to tell the true story of the damage. I could fill a book with stories of the aftermath from it that I've seen and treated, and I wasn't even there at the height of things. Since April 100% of the COVID patients we've had have been unvaccinated. I'm sure that now that they can no longer care for themselves independently, work, enjoy the activities they used to love... that they're proud that they were open-minded and rejected the vaccine.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers] 3
#27381859 - 07/10/21 01:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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it's july 2021 and I'm still letting myself get drawn into debating about covid 
what's that quote that people say einstein said about insanity?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27381869 - 07/10/21 01:18 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some states the excess deaths in 2020 match up almost perfectly with covid death. Other states there are significantly more excess deaths than covid deaths, indicating a significant undercount of covid deaths.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: pacmanbreed] 1
#27381892 - 07/10/21 01:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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in a global scale, production should rampup to cope with the mutations.
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feevers said: If he did then it's also very likely that his body would have had the same response to COVID, as the vaccine contains the same spike protein which triggers the immune response.
it must also be administered non intravasculary, skillfully with great care.
True, I was talking more about in the US specifically though. But yeah solely wasn't a great word choice, there will also be children who can't yet get vaccinated who are spreading it as well
Care to sum up the video links? I kind of refuse to watch that guy's videos, I watched a couple in the past and his ability to critically analyze research is severely lacking.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27381908 - 07/10/21 02:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said: True, I was talking more about in the US specifically though. But yeah solely wasn't a great word choice, there will also be children who can't yet get vaccinated who are spreading it as well
Care to sum up the video links? I kind of refuse to watch that guy's videos, I watched a couple in the past and his ability to critically analyze research is severely lacking.
I do understand the frustrations, vaccine rollout here in the SEA is dang slow, edit: I've also came to accept such slow rollouts is out of my league.
he's talking about how inadvertant intravenous administration causes some of the complications, that the needle should be aspirated first upon being inserted in the deltoid muscle to make sure there is no inadvertant intravascular administration and then providing that no blood has been into the syringe before squirting as shown in the second link where the chinese are doin it, not following the WHO guidelines.... apparently such approach is discredited in the vaccination progam in south africa, australia and uk, its a variable to eliminate though still needs a peer review (no complication associated doin the aspiration approach).
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Crazy_Horse] 2
#27381919 - 07/10/21 02:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#27382291 - 07/10/21 07:21 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Nah, you just deny them services like we already do with other vaccines. We already do it for a lot of things. After this last year of fuckery I would expect things will clamp down a little more, like the healthcare industry. Plague rats shouldn't be allow to run around willy nilly putting everyone else at risk. The 'muh freedumbz, my body my choice' argument stops applying when it causes harm to others.
Oh yeah I can agree with that for sure. There are rules to be a part of society. Obviously. Lots of them actually. So while I agree with one's right to choose not to put it in their body -- I also agree that services can deny service for those who choose not to.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Niffla] 1
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#27382417 - 07/10/21 08:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Covid is exploding in Florida again. Nearly 6,000 new cases, almost half the entire country’s new cases.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27382456 - 07/10/21 08:44 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck yeah feeves! Dropping the knowledge!
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27382490 - 07/10/21 09:18 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said: it's july 2021 and I'm still letting myself get drawn into debating about covid 
what's that quote that people say einstein said about insanity?
Ugh I know, and I dont even know why I am debating... think its just reading statements like lets let people die and it feels at least to me like a kind of provocation. Guess I just need to stay out of this thread, theres no changing anyones perspective here anyway.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Asante]
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: ManianFH] 2
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God. These poor dumbfuck bastards. It's like they need a tyrannical government coming to get them, otherwise they have no reason to exist.
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Your position is that people should be allowed to die of a preventable disease if they want to. A year and a half of arguing with people, trying to convince them that maybe they ought to take this thing seriously, has led people like koods (and me, honestly) to say "Fine, fucking die if you want to" ...You get that right? We just want people to live, and protect the lives of the people around them, and all we've got for a year and a half is "Fuck you, don't tell me what to do" So... fine. I don't care any more.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Lynnch] 3
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ManianFH said: A year and a half of arguing with people, trying to convince them that maybe they ought to take this thing seriously, has led people like koods (and me, honestly) to say "Fine, fucking die if you want to" ...You get that right?
Yes and no. I understand frustration, but a lack of compassion is something I will never understand.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
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ManianFH said: A year and a half of arguing with people, trying to convince them that maybe they ought to take this thing seriously, has led people like koods (and me, honestly) to say "Fine, fucking die if you want to" ...You get that right?
Yes and no. I understand frustration, but a lack of compassion is something I will never understand.
I think a lot of that, like so many things these days in this country, unfortunately, is driven and energized largely by politics.
Now first not all anti-vaxxers are conservatives -- that's a lazy stereotype, as I personally know a number of people through my job that aren't political whatsoever in either direction, and admitted they would not be getting the vaccine for their own personal reasons. One colleague I work with for example said she was concerned about some testing and reports as far as vaccine effects on pregnancy. She plans to have a child within the next couple of years. Thus the reason she (and her husband) are choosing to not get the vaccine. She didn't even vote this past election, and said around the election that she "couldn't stand either of them" (Trump or Biden). She did admit however that it would be quite the conundrum if our employer mandated the vaccine. Which they have yet to do, but very well may in the future. She said she'd have to make a decision on crossing that bridge when and if she arrived there. My best friend, who is black (that's probably not even relevant here but whatever) has never voted for a republican in his life. Now he too isn't very political. Since I met him in 2007, we have rarely ever spoke of politics. Because quite frankly we have more productive and better things to talk about other than the cesspool that is known as American politics. But the only presidential candidate he has ever voted for in his life was a democrat (he voted for Obama both times). He too is choosing not to get the vaccine. His reasoning to me when we briefly discussed it recently was that he basically isn't putting anything like that into his body that hasn't been tested for at the very least several years. That's it. He's not some hardcore backcountry Trumper. He's just a guy who simply doesn't trust the testing.
Now all that said, let's face it. People in the US who are anti-vax are generally conservative as far as politics go. More often than not anyway. And the deep divide and really just sheer outright hatred, is very, very strong between strict liberals and conservatives. It's almost mental & emotional warfare at this point. So naturally I just think a lot of times that lack of compassion is more or less because these people aren't on their "team". Politically speaking. And the hatred is so strong, and so venomous, that quite frankly they really just simply wouldn't mind at all to see certain people die. Point blank. Now they might not admit it out loud (although some of them certainly will have no problem doing so, particularly online where they're masked in anonymity) but I think deep down hardcore political people just take pleasure in "the other side" dying. They root for it. They're energized by their hatred. I've seen an ocean of people online for years now on both sides of the fence who are openly celebrating and thrilled when somebody on the other team dies. Just go take a dive into Twitter when they're "discussing" politics. It's vile, man. It's gross. Shit wherever they talk politics anywhere online is gross for that matter. It's gross right here too in the political forum at the shroomery.

TLDR: There is very little to no compassion for those with dissenting political views. That's pretty much it IMO. And for the record I'm not just solely condemning liberals here. Just responding to Jokeshop's "lack of compassion" quote. Obviously hardline conservatives do the exact same thing when given the chance.
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