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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Niffla] 2
#27381306 - 07/10/21 12:00 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want to..
-get into basejumping -start an IV heroin hobby in the midst of the fentanyl crisis -jump off the golden gate bridge -not get vaccinated and curl up in a ball and die if you get covid
for you yourself, you are at liberty to do that.
The problem with pandemics though, if you catch it and dont rigorously quarantine, more than 1 person is going to get it from you.
You are free to kill yourself with a hammer, but are you free to have promiscuous unprotected sex while you are HIV positive and not tell people?
Your freedom stops at the point where you involuntarily disadvantage other people. That is the definition of crime.
I cannot demand of you to take a vaccine but I can insist on rigorous quarantine when you get it, so that you don't drag others down with you.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#27381308 - 07/10/21 12:06 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: This last year has been like watching Koods the good guy turn into Koods the supervillain. Someone should write a script and sell it to Marvel.
The last year I've seen people increasingly treat Koods like shit and feel that because of this, some of his postings radicalized. IMHO it started with people picking on him.
People have been picking on me for over a decade here on the Shroomery because i made one anti-bigotry post about racism in OTD in my first week after starting posting, so I can totally relate to that.
Its generally good guys getting on the bad side of our resident unsavory chaps which then becomes a self propelled bandwagon, its almost never someone who's being an asshole, for being an asshole. They also often belong to minority group, such as gays or trans people.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Asante]
#27381309 - 07/10/21 12:09 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was once on a ship that the captain was vehemetedly adamant about not getting medical care.
I think that if these days you feel sick and do nothing about it you do deserve whatever is coming your way.
I have a doctors office. I want to get a covid test ..... is there an easier way than having some random nurse shove a plastic rod up your nose?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Fiery]
#27381318 - 07/10/21 12:19 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fiery, I don't know about the US, but my local supermarket sells 99% reliable COVID tests (as reliable as a preganancy test) and, completely in style, in the month of introduction they had a sale for "three for 5 euros".
Of you have symptoms, get help.
If you think you might have it, do an antibody test that you mailorder.
If you are symptom free but like a test, here in Europe they are widely, cheaply available.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Asante]
#27381324 - 07/10/21 12:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't really care. I was just messin with him. I also give zero fucks about people who choose to put others lives at risk. They should be removed from society if they can't play nice with everyone else.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Asante]
#27381325 - 07/10/21 12:24 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't have it I don't know.
But if I do I will know
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Fiery]
#27381346 - 07/10/21 12:58 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fiery, I have 3 tests (for €5 ) just in case, its so great that you can test yourself on the spot if you wonder whether you have flu or covid, instant relief or instant warning.
Meanwhile, vaccinated old people are waking up to a world without mouth masks and social isolation...
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Asante] 1
#27381358 - 07/10/21 01:12 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was just exposed to a lot of people.
I'll call around to get tested... but lets say that TODAY I was exposed to the new virus..... how long until I would "test positive" on an over the counter or doctor test?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Fiery] 1
#27381359 - 07/10/21 01:13 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also the anti body test is bogus IMO... or was.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: mndfreeze]
#27381503 - 07/10/21 07:03 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: I don't really care. I was just messin with him. I also give zero fucks about people who choose to put others lives at risk. They should be removed from society if they can't play nice with everyone else.
So how does one go about removing one from society exactly? Imprison them? Send them to an island with other unvaccinated?
I'm not gonna lie, if being "removed from society" meant sentencing me to a remote cabin off the grid in Alaska or Montana or somewhere like that...I would have definitely not gotten vaccinated

If being a part of society means continuing to live in these cesspool cities, be stuck in traffic everyday driving to work to my dead end nine-to-five, and listening to liberals and conservatives berate one another for the rest of my life...please, by all means, "remove" me from society 
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Asante] 2
#27381532 - 07/10/21 07:36 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think people are taking koods' posts too literally. He's venting on the internet and being hyperbolic about how he feels, we probably all do it about certain things. I have the same frustration, we're living in a time where virtually all the information in the world is at our fingertips yet people still somehow fall into the spell of the trumpy grifters or conspiracy youtubers.
I can't lump all the non-vaxxers together though. The guys in Baby_Hitler's videos just seem like children who are playing some character, they've checked out of reality and they're in some alternate world where they're somehow the voice of reason speaking out against the evil scientist and democrats. The people that I treat in COVID rehab now are mostly not like that though. We do get a decent share of trumpers, many still in denial even after spending 2 weeks on a vent or losing limbs or having strokes/heart attacks/permanent pulmonary damage. The biggest share though is just poor people and cognitively impaired people. We get a lot of poorer black people, for various reason they're just distrustful of the vaccine or not aware of its importance. The patients with cognitive impairments often just have caregivers or family they live with who are anti-vax and don't sign the person up to get a vaccine or are actively encouraging them not to. It's hard to be mad at these people or wish anything bad on them, but it's definitely incredibly frustrating.
As far as mandating the vaccine, I'm against it mostly because it sets the tone for the same to be done with different vaccines and different administrations. It's entirely possible that during the next pandemic a less science-literate (trumpy) administration could mandate something that is not as well studied or safe. It just seems like it'd be setting a bad precident.
With this vaccine though, I'm 100% for allowing schools, businesses, public buildings, cruise lines, concert venues, etc to start mandating it ASAP. The data is clear, the vaccine is safe and mind-blowingly effective. Keeping the decision out of the hands of the hands of the government and letting private businesses decide decentralizes things and doesn't scare me at all. Force the lazy and indifferent people to get off their asses and go get the vaccine, banish the people who don't give a fuck about taking one simple step that would stop the spread of a deadly virus that has been given a chance to mutate solely due to non-vaxxers.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27381546 - 07/10/21 07:53 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said: banish the people who don't give a fuck about taking one simple step that would stop the spread of a deadly virus that has been given a chance to mutate solely due to non-vaxxers.
Again I'm just curious what y'all mean by banish. Or to remove from society. Do you mean just solely banning them from any public establishments/events? Or getting jobs? Stuff like that?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: ManianFH] 2
#27381554 - 07/10/21 07:59 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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ManianFH said: people die from the vaccine too. mandating shit that kills people should for sure not be on the table. How many people now, thousands? Tens of thousands have died from the vaccine? And how many people beyond those that reported symptoms dont report the symptoms that occur as a result of their taking it. How many people have inflamed hearts and dont know it? When will their body respond with a similar reaction in the future to what it perceives as a viable threat?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/
If people want to push a potentially lethal drug on people thats their thing I guess. I stand by the argument that human beings have the right to decide what they put in their bodies without the coercive pressures of the media, government, and pharma companies. If you are vaccinated great - let all the people who arent vaccinated have decided to go with natural immunity deal with it their way.
There have been 331 million vaccine doses administered in the US, the percentage of deaths among people who received a vaccine is at 0.001%. That percentage isn't people who have been killed by the vaccine, just people who died after getting it, which obviously happens a lot because people will continue to die naturally at the standard rate and millions of people are being vaccinated.
As far as the link, it's not confirmed that the kid died from the vaccine. If he did then it's also very likely that his body would have had the same response to COVID, as the vaccine contains the same spike protein which triggers the immune response. The story links at the bottom of that article are about long-term heart dysfunction in children following COVID infection and clinics being opened for children and adults with long-term COVID symptoms. The same is not being done for vaccine recipients, it's a sad story but if it was due to the vaccine then it's an exception to the norm and less statistically relevant than someone dying from a coconut falling on their head.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Niffla] 1
#27381566 - 07/10/21 08:15 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said: banish the people who don't give a fuck about taking one simple step that would stop the spread of a deadly virus that has been given a chance to mutate solely due to non-vaxxers.
Again I'm just curious what y'all mean by banish. Or to remove from society. Do you mean just solely banning them from any public establishments/events? Or getting jobs? Stuff like that?
Basically I'm just for airlines, schools, businesses, event holders etc. mandating the vaccine. This virus is far more contagious than the flu or other common viruses we deal with, it will continue to spread in any area where unvaccinated people congregate, it will continue to kill hundreds/thousands of people every day, and it will continue to mutate... possibly into something worse that brings us back to square one and starts the lockdown and quarantine process all over again.
'Banishing' for me just means excluding the unvaccinated from all the areas where vaccinations will be required. They'll still have places to go and jobs that don't require it, but they'll lose a lot of the "freedom" that many of them are so obsessed with and many will just cave and get the vax.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Niffla] 2
#27381571 - 07/10/21 08:18 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said: banish the people who don't give a fuck about taking one simple step that would stop the spread of a deadly virus that has been given a chance to mutate solely due to non-vaxxers.
Again I'm just curious what y'all mean by banish. Or to remove from society. Do you mean just solely banning them from any public establishments/events? Or getting jobs? Stuff like that?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#27381585 - 07/10/21 08:31 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said:
Basically I'm just for airlines, schools, businesses, event holders etc. mandating the vaccine. This virus is far more contagious than the flu or other common viruses we deal with, it will continue to spread in any area where unvaccinated people congregate, it will continue to kill hundreds/thousands of people every day, and it will continue to mutate... possibly into something worse that brings us back to square one and starts the lockdown and quarantine process all over again.
'Banishing' for me just means excluding the unvaccinated from all the areas where vaccinations will be required.
Gotcha.
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feevers said: banish the people who don't give a fuck about taking one simple step that would stop the spread of a deadly virus that has been given a chance to mutate solely due to non-vaxxers.
Again I'm just curious what y'all mean by banish. Or to remove from society. Do you mean just solely banning them from any public establishments/events? Or getting jobs? Stuff like that?
Phantom Zone.

There was a guy I met, back during the peak of the pandemic, whose suggestion was to round up all the "old people" and just ship them to islands until the pandemic was over 
I told him we'd need a lot of planes and a lot of islands, because with 7.6 billion people on the planet there's quite a large number of "old" people...
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Niffla] 1
#27381622 - 07/10/21 09:05 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lots of people were advocating for keeping everything open but protecting the old people and the obese/unhealthy people.
The problem was that the majority of people in America are old or obese/unhealthy
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers] 1
#27381648 - 07/10/21 09:26 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said: virus that has been given a chance to mutate solely due to non-vaxxers.
in a global scale, production should rampup to cope with the mutations.
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feevers said: If he did then it's also very likely that his body would have had the same response to COVID, as the vaccine contains the same spike protein which triggers the immune response.
it must also be administered non intravasculary, skillfully with great care.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: pacmanbreed] 1
#27381752 - 07/10/21 11:12 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why can't they just inject the shot into my thigh or something. WTF with the arm thing.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: Fiery] 2
#27381772 - 07/10/21 11:30 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are just looking for an excuse to take off your pants.
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