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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante]
#27356633 - 06/20/21 03:20 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think we havnt approved russian and chinese vaccines because its a ploy from big pharma to make money selling us pfizer and moderna, probably getting kickbacks
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: gopher]
#27356643 - 06/20/21 03:33 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think we haven’t approved those vaccines because they were never submitted for approval.
Aside from the three approved vaccines, Astrazeneca and Novavax have their vaccines in clinical trials. That’s it.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: gopher]
#27356646 - 06/20/21 03:34 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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gopher said: I think we havnt approved russian and chinese vaccines because its a ploy from big pharma to make money selling us pfizer and moderna, probably getting kickbacks
I have little doubt that this kind of unfair competition is at play.
Very plausible.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante]
#27356657 - 06/20/21 03:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you want a drug approved in the US, you gotta run trials and have good data. It isn’t easy. AstraZeneca is a major pharmaceutical company and they had problems with their trials and haven’t been approved. Other trials didn’t work out and companies didn’t apply for approval. If you don’t even try, you can’t get FDA approval.
The Chinese and Russian vaccines probably would have had good enough data for approval but their vaccines would simply fail in the US market. Not only are they inferior, getting Americans to accept chinese and Russian vaccines is a pretty hard hill to climb
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27356663 - 06/20/21 03:56 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: If you want a drug approved in the US, you gotta run trials and have good data. It isn’t easy. AstraZeneca is a major pharmaceutical company and they had problems with their trials and haven’t been approved. Other trials didn’t work out and companies didn’t apply for approval. If you don’t even try, you can’t get FDA approval.
The Chinese and Russian vaccines probably would have had good enough data for approval but their vaccines would simply fail in the US market. Not only are they inferior, getting Americans to accept chinese and Russian vaccines is a pretty hard hill to climb
Interestingly, I read that Russians have veryu effective "antibiotic" regimens that make use of bacteriophages. Stuff people here die of are treated routinely there with one shot and no side effects.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante]
#27356673 - 06/20/21 04:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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russians also dry fast and prescribe phenibut for stress, those two tidbits is all I know
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: gopher]
#27356679 - 06/20/21 04:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: gopher]
#27356685 - 06/20/21 04:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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gopher said: russians also dry fast and prescribe phenibut for stress, those two tidbits is all I know
That and Phenazepam
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante]
#27356705 - 06/20/21 04:34 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: If you want a drug approved in the US, you gotta run trials and have good data. It isn’t easy. AstraZeneca is a major pharmaceutical company and they had problems with their trials and haven’t been approved. Other trials didn’t work out and companies didn’t apply for approval. If you don’t even try, you can’t get FDA approval.
The Chinese and Russian vaccines probably would have had good enough data for approval but their vaccines would simply fail in the US market. Not only are they inferior, getting Americans to accept chinese and Russian vaccines is a pretty hard hill to climb
Interestingly, I read that Russians have veryu effective "antibiotic" regimens that make use of bacteriophages. Stuff people here die of are treated routinely there with one shot and no side effects.
Sounds like something with a fairly limited application. Getting phages into the right location would be a huge challenge.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27356725 - 06/20/21 05:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You need the right phage for the species of bvacteria, once you know that, a simple systemic injection will do.
One of the major end stages of life in the west is sepsis, when the compromised patients gets a systemic infection with a bacterium. If its known which one and they have a phage for it, one can be rapidly brought back even from sepsis.
Westerm medicine acts like it doesnt exist.
Here's a Russian site giving a proud overview of 80 years of use of phages in Russian medicine.
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Currently, NPO Microgen, Russia’s largest producer of such products, a state company under the Russian Ministry of Health, produces 14 drugs containing bacteriophages targeted at the most common pathogens of bacterial infections. They are used for the prevention and treatment of acute intestinal infections (dysentery, typhoid, salmonella, etc.) and for the treatment of purulent-septic and other diseases of various localization: surgical infections, diseases of the ear, nose, throat, lungs and pleura, urogenital pathologies, gastroenterocolitis, intestinal dysbacteriosis, and infectious diseases in newborns and infants. The drugs have been produced at three plants associated with microbiological institutions: in Ufa since 1939; in Gorky since 1941; and in Perm since 1995.
Of course, the bacteriophage cultivation technology has largely improved since the times of World War II. The companies now use a reactor cultivation technology and optimized growth media. Particular attention is paid to the cleaning of bacteriophages from ballast components. To this end, the producers use ultrafiltration, which increases the safety of the drugs.
Bacteriophages are currently produced in Russia on an unprecedented scale, like nowhere else in the world. Bacteriophages are manufactured as high-grade drugs, and the consumption of these antibacterial agents in Russia is more than 1 billion packs per year. However, it was only in 2016—one century after the discovery of bacteriophages!—that these drugs were included into the official Russian pharmacopoeia.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante] 1
#27356759 - 06/20/21 05:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Arbidol is Russia's cure for the common cold. It's interferon technology from the 70s
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27357268 - 06/21/21 07:57 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who knows how bad the Guangdong outbreak is, but airplane and container traffic out of Shenzhen is slowing a lot RN.
We can get beyond the virus's harm to our health much more easily than we get beyond its damage to our broader world.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27357302 - 06/21/21 08:49 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Arbidol is Russia's cure for the common cold. It's interferon technology from the 70s
Used that for a cold, obliterated it.
Arbidol is OTC in Russia so, it can be bought online. It doesnt really affect covid though.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: Asante] 1
#27357561 - 06/21/21 01:06 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I’m seeing a lot of tweets from people or about people in their 30s and 40s getting pretty fucking sick with covid recently. Assuming it’s the delta variant. Some guys farm hands had to go to the hospital with covid. A county administration building had to close after a bunch of deaths and hospitalizations amongst the unvaccinated staff.
We’re on the verge of another wave and this time it’s going to hit mainly the retarded.
Florida county closes government building after COVID deaths
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Manatee County officials did not say how many people contracted COVID, but County Administrator Dr. Scott Hopes said “individual employees in the IT department who were known to be fully vaccinated and who were in close proximity of those who were infected did not contract COVID-19,” according to a statement.
If you have unvaccinated employees your business is at risk. When will people fucking learn?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
#27357626 - 06/21/21 01:54 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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and I have to wait till 09/22 to get my second shot, hopefully we dont have another wave here
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: gopher]
#27357662 - 06/21/21 02:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hospital system in Missouri is seeing highest hospitalization rates of the pandemic. All but one hospitalized covid patients are unvaccinated. These people are committing suicide and we all are footing the bill. We need to mandate the vaccine. This is ridiculous.
https://twitter.com/anacabrera/status/1407037829838934017?s=21
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#27357813 - 06/21/21 04:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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For the first time since the pandemic started, Maryland reported no covid deaths
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Maryland over the weekend reported its first consecutive days with zero deaths from the coronavirus since the early days of the pandemic — a symbolic benchmark suggesting the region has entered a new, more hopeful phase in its fight to stop the spread of the virus. On Monday, D.C. reported zero deaths over the weekend. Virginia reported a single death on Saturday, but the numbers crept up on Sunday and Monday — a reminder that the virus can still claim lives, especially in areas where vaccination rates are relatively low.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: gopher]
#27357836 - 06/21/21 04:34 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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gopher said: and I have to wait till 09/22 to get my second shot, hopefully we dont have another wave here
Stay outta trouble!
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: gopher]
#27357865 - 06/21/21 04:52 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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gopher said: and I have to wait till 09/22 to get my second shot, hopefully we dont have another wave here
Forgive me if you already mentioned why - I haven't read every page in this thread - but why do you have to wait soooo long for your second shot?!?!?
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#27357866 - 06/21/21 04:52 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just got my second vaccine today.
I'm not a fan of it, but fuck it
If *I* the impenetrable and mountainous Fiery will get stuck with a needle and get a basically experimental vaccine, then other anti vaxxers need to shut the fuck up and get poked.
I mean WTF people, you're getting people killed.
I laughed out loud when I heard that golf player who was 8 shots away from winning a million dollars in a major golf tournament was disqualified for testing positive for covid.
He got NOTHING. not a penny. after 3 hard days of tournament too.
His response was " I just didn't have time to get the vaccine"
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