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The Funnyness - psychedelic research
    #26906972 - 08/30/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm actually glad science trying hard to justify psychedelics as the be all psychological wonder. If there is a true psychedelic I've not tried many times please mail me some. I have had old problems...I got new problems... psychedelics have helped. Realistically the person who got squared totally away for life after one microdose...for life...has to be fictional or highly suggestable. It has been a lifelong pursuit for me. I saw miracles...but not THE miracle. I ain't stopping until I stop. My wife who is scared of them does tell me I'm a nicer person that way. However Im still working things out and I got lots of bad traits. Maybe someday I'll hit just the right dose, write a best selling book, become a genius in my field (actually got that one I hope), and become a guru for planet Earth, but if I can still manage a little fun I'm good.


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26907037 - 08/30/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Someone being squared away after one microdose is like someone blacking out from a shot of a vodka cruiser.

I saw a personal miracle within psilocybin of calm in its purest form, comfort.

I would not advice anyone consumes psilocybin on their own, but with a regulated dose in a therapeutic environment supervised by someone who has intimate knowledge of the fungus itself, the LD-50 etc. and the woes of the experience in general. How to handle a heroic dose and the benefits and risks of microdosing. One such risk is that vehicles should never be operated even under the microist of microdoses.

Too many people I've seen or heard of have taken psychedelics like psilocybin once or twice and with some broad interpretation of their experience they come to unbalanced conclusions that don't appear to have any foundation, like a past self before living memory or a telekinetic connection with nature beyond ancestral and biomechanical beginnings.

What I appreciate about psilocybin is that it induces a loss of the fear response. We've had that fear response for millions of years to protect us from dangers, to prepare us to fight or partake in flight. Sometimes we freeze in fear from the rustle in a bush.

That doesn't mean it's always the effect or immediate, some people go through terrifying ordeals when they hear that rustle and think or perceive it to be a cop in the bush. Of all my psychedelic experiences I've had some frightening ones but I haven't felt frightened myself because I was aware and prepared mentally for what I was delving in to. It's like going diving, you have to be prepared for the reality that sharks may be around but with good identification of species and training it doesn't have to be the worst experience of your life, or the one that ends it for that matter.

The psilocybin itself didn't make me anything more or less, it reduces the viscosity of my fear and helped me push through it a little, it was a beautiful thing to help me refocus but once its embrace wore off I was still on my own.

I just remember my experiences like a warm hug because that's how they felt even when I was alone.

And when I actually researched psychedelics I found one point after another and connected them until I found a personal understanding or at least had a grip of what was fundamentally going on when I was having a psychedelic experience of kaleidoscopic proportions.

To someone who hasn't had these experiences it's hard to explain, to someone who has, there may be that 'universal connection' or understanding of what it's kind of like for all of us who go there. This is close to how I saw the sky at least. 


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: sudly]
    #26907162 - 08/30/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

how can someone who has gone the most far the most times still not be gone at all? are one person's milestones and limits the same for everyone?

it does not stay nice.

some stuff wears off.
some stuff does not - it seems stuck.

What's so funny?


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: sudly]
    #26908966 - 08/31/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. My therapeutic environment is sitting under my big mesquite tree where my San Pedros are planted with my trusty cattle dog at my side. Every boy needs a dog.

I've been a psychedelic nut for over 40 years relentlessly. It has helped me...but progress is fleeting and slow, but the path has a heart.

I don't agree about it killing fear as it took a few years to not be fearful of mushrooms. Acid was easy...my son says shrooms are the only frontier he has not yet conquered. Once you get past the heroic dose fear things open up.


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26908969 - 08/31/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What's funny is societies perception. The other day I read of psychedelic therapists that charge couple thousand to turn people on once...hell I never charged anything at all. I must have been wasting my time when I could have been in the big money.


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26908974 - 08/31/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said: I don't agree about it killing fear as it took a few years to not be fearful of mushrooms. Acid was easy...my son says shrooms are the only frontier he has not yet conquered. Once you get past the heroic dose fear things open up.




Once you get through the heroic dose the fear dissolves imo and experience.

I mean there's a build up and the peak which can be intense if not scary, but the relieving calm in my experience comes shortly after the peak, when the experience is mostly beginning to settle. Say the 4-5 hour point.

Have you not conquered them?


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: sudly]
    #26908975 - 08/31/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The downhill release has always been there but the total lack of fear is recent.


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26908982 - 08/31/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The downhill release is a nice way of putting it but that fear just hasn't struck me in all the times I've partaken in the psilly stuff. I've always been researched, confident of the ID, in a safe environment, no obligations the next day, food and water, a toilet, music and movies etc.

Don't get me wrong, I've gone nuts, lost my shit (not in an angry way) and cried relentlessly but more as an emotional release I'd say, a way to get things off my chest.


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26911383 - 09/01/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Huehuecoyotl, I remember you posting years ago about your skepticism of the mainstreaming of psychedelics. I guess this is an issue you've followed for a long time.

I've always held out hope for psychedelics' (and MDMA and other related substances) use as healing tools in safe, legal contexts. However, I am a little bit more wary now about how in the US we just commercialize everything and allow huge industries to flourish around marketing New Substance X as a panacea for all modern ills. CBD is the substance of the moment, and now other cannabinoids like CBN, CBG and Delta-8 THC are gaining prominence. I'm a regular user but even I'm not really convinced that these are totally benign substances for regular mass consumption.

It also seems like our tech elite views psychedelics as a tool to increase their intellectual - and thus, economic - power, and they seem to be under the impression that they can totally streamline and control the experience to maximize its benefit to their creative endeavors.

This interests me, because I do think psychedelics can unlock some awesome creative potential. My creative side has certainly benefited recently from my encounters with cannabis, LSD and MDMA.

At the same time, these are powerful and mysterious substances, and I personally view them as experiences that should be approached with reverence and humility. I don't want LSD to be just another tool in the arsenal of marketers, grifters and influencers.

I would definitely get involved in clinical studies of psychedelics and in advocacy for their availability in therapeutic contexts - but I likely will personally continue to approach psychedelics as a personal and spiritual endeavor, a way of interfacing with life that enriches experience.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: Lion] * 1
    #26911539 - 09/01/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

politically the studies are important in the cause of cognitive liberty.
we need to strengthen this liberty.


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Re: The Funnyness - psychedelic research [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26913261 - 09/02/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I agree! My view that most controlled substances should be decriminalized hasn't changed much during my adult years, one of few political/economic views that hasn't undergone any major transformations or lots of second guessing.

I would like my children, if I have any in the future, to be able to use these substances in peace, with easy access to a good foundational knowledge, if they were interested in doing so. And I definitely would prefer not to grow old in a society where such substances and the mindstates they produce are increasingly restricted and unavailable.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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