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    #26907022 - 08/30/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I recently purchased some grain bags from a vendor because I was having issues with my jars due to not using the proper PC (fixed now) anyways I bought 4 bags which ended up pooling water on the bottom of the bags and started to produce a foul smell. I contacted the vendor and they sent 4 replacements which is awesome. These were inoculated 10 days ago and no sign of growth. Now there is a little water forming and very mushy grain on the bottom of the bag. These were inoculated with apes which I hate to of wasted on these. Is the pooling normal with spawn bags?

I'm glad I purchased a proper PC and am not having these issues but sad waste of a syringe


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26907024 - 08/30/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You shouldn't be shooting spore syringes into grain bags. Also, you probably want to dry them more. I would stick to jars till you get things down.


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Re: grain bags [Re: Spirit-Crusher]
    #26907032 - 08/30/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

And definitely dry them more. Bags need to be pretty dry. Much drier than you think they should be in the beginning.

Try jars first, but if you insist on bags (I did) then get that mouse hand ready and read read read. Long live the shroomery!

Also grain should never be mushy, sounds like you cooked the ever loving daylights out of it :shrug:


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Re: grain bags [Re: Funky Monkey]
    #26907879 - 08/30/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

How do I dry purchased and sealed bags? They have self sealing injection ports preinstalled I don't understand what else I am suppose to do with them. I didn't make these bags myself I bought them from a vendor...


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26907883 - 08/30/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That might not of been clear in my post but they are prefilled, presterilized, presealed grain bags


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26907886 - 08/30/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry for the miscommunication in my initial post


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26907908 - 08/30/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

They didn't read your post I guess but basically you want to stop buying premade bags they all suck it's a shame!  Use your fixed PC and use jars or bags.  You buy premade 90% chance you'll throw it out. 

Pooling water during colonization will lead to bacterial contams.  And you use spores to inoculate don't listen to the other posts.  Watch my main man RR's " lets grow mushrooms" grain prep video it'll change yer life.


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Re: grain bags [Re: Your Dudeness]
    #26907957 - 08/30/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for the info. I was using an electric PC because that what I had after have a ton of issues I found it didn't go higher then 5 psi but have recently bought a stove top PC and haven't had issues since, thankfully. I sent these pics to the vendor and got a response today that I should of been flipping the bags every couple days to stop that and it isn't their fault. It's been 11 days since inoculation with zero signs of growth, should I just toss them?


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26907968 - 08/30/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I actually see some of the seeds sprouting in the bags


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26907984 - 08/30/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Any vendor using wbs seems very illegitimate to me for some reason.

It could easily have been your fault since you used spore solution to inoculate,
but premade bags are usually shit so really it's up in the air who's at fault.

Start new, learn agar, make your own spawn and next time it fucks up, you'll at least
know for sure that you're the one who fucked it up :lol:


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26908004 - 08/30/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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and it isn't their fault.




See what I mean they know they sold you a wet bag and they're too ashamed to admit they suck. Probably some guy in a tye-dye t-shirt with barefeet making those bags in their moms basement.

  Like my man RR said if you fail keep trying till you get it right.  First step is to remove the 3rd party and make your own jars / bags


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Re: grain bags [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26908007 - 08/30/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My thought process was that I would purchase some to keep the ball rolling while I got the equipment to properly do it myself. My next step is to try and pour my own agar, I got some poured plates from a friend that are going well. Learning experience and I know some people take advantage of newbies. O well, just keep swimming...


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Re: grain bags [Re: Your Dudeness]
    #26908018 - 08/30/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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And you use spores to inoculate don't listen to the other posts.




:justno:

Don't spread misinformation.

Spores to grain has a very poor success rate. Only use spores for agar.


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26908025 - 08/30/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Now you realize what you spent on crappy bags were the same price of a new PC with the plastic wrap and new rubber seals.  You buy a few pieces of gear and you'll grow a lifetime.


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Re: grain bags [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26908038 - 08/30/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't spread misinformation.

Spores to grain has a very poor success rate. Only use spores for agar.




That's not misinformation at all.  The typical first time noob will not know anything about agar or culture slants, LC, PC, FAE, anything.  Spore syringes or grow kits is all they know.

While your comment holds some validity in regards to agar; We teach the amateur how to get started.  From there they branch out into more advanced methods.  Just because your grain experience sucks doesn't mean the rest of us hasn't seen aggressive colonization.


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Re: grain bags [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26908045 - 08/30/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ive had great success with spore to grain with all my jars since having an actual pressure cooker no bacterial or mean green since again thankfully. I've only had 3 out of 28 not go, and they were all from the same syringe but that is just speaking on my peasly 28 jars of experience lol. I am really liking agar and getting into isolation and cloning.


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26908052 - 08/30/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I was given a printout of RRs cliff notes. Great reading and complete information overload.


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Re: grain bags [Re: djdc]
    #26908061 - 08/30/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I was given a printout of RRs cliff notes. Great reading and complete information overload.




RR is the coolest mountain man I never knew. You should be happy about 28 jars of experience a lot of people give up after jar 2.  Keep learning new skills and take notes as you go because as you say it's information overload.


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Re: grain bags [Re: Your Dudeness]
    #26908090 - 08/30/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't spread misinformation.

Spores to grain has a very poor success rate. Only use spores for agar.




That's not misinformation at all.  The typical first time noob will not know anything about agar or culture slants, LC, PC, FAE, anything.  Spore syringes or grow kits is all they know.

While your comment holds some validity in regards to agar; We teach the amateur how to get started.  From there they branch out into more advanced methods.  Just because your grain experience sucks doesn't mean the rest of us hasn't seen aggressive colonization.




I would never recommend anyone put spores to grain. You are advising people to use a method that has an abysmal success rate and IGNORE people who are recommending a practice that has proven to be the best.

Grow kits and spore syringes are literally what these companies rely on to make sales because once their grains turn moldy they will buy more bags of grain.

If you worked with agar you would never suggest spores to grain. It doesn't matter to me if agar is noob friendly or not that is what people should use if they want to maximize their success and limit contamination.


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Re: grain bags [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26908117 - 08/30/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

As great as agar is I've seen countless threads on here with huge success using spores to grain.  I agree spore to grain is a roll of the dice, but the success rate is higher than you guys think.  Maybe your spore supplier sold ya'll some contam syringes.


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