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Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue)
#26906085 - 08/29/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey all
I've been playing around with the idea of doing this combo recently. I have a fair amount of experience working with mushrooms and harmalas separately, but not together really. Only once did i sip some mushroom tea while on rue and I experienced some uncomfortable brain zaps which put me off trying it again. I've seen some interesting reports on it though so would like to try again, but am wary.
So, I wanted to ask those here who've tried it:
1) Have you had a rough experience with and if so, how and why do you think it happened?
2) How is the experience qualitatively different from mushrooms alone?
Thanks a lot, E
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist]
#26906092 - 08/29/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my opinion rue makes the experience darker. I wouldn't do it... If you want something more powerful grow panaeolus cyanescens or vaporize some dmt.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
#26906094 - 08/29/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rue gives me horrible anxiety. I honestly think it's bad for you...
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26906124 - 08/29/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's very interesting to hear it gives you a response like that. To me it has always felt quite gentle and deletes my depression for a few days afterwards so it's become kind of like the go-to plant medicine for my mental health. If I over shoot my dose it can jack my heart rate a bit and cause a brain zap or two, but nothing crazy like a "bad trip" on mushrooms.
I can believe it may darken the mushroom trip though. Mushrooms are often already quite dark for me so that's a bit of an ominous prospect haha
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
#26906126 - 08/29/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly I don't think it could be bad for you, you may just have to be ready to dive that deep into the rabbit hole, syrian rue is usually smoked to ward off the evil eye which is believed to cast a curse leading to misfortune or injury. It's also used as an aphrodisiac and to treat epilepsy, and was also used by an Egyptian dwarf god to keep evil away from the people.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: mangaka911] 3
#26906228 - 08/29/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rue is a very wonderful teacher plant, isn't dark at all, can feel rough at times especially as the dosage increases but it provides very light-filled and spiritual/teaching experiences when mixed with a Psychedelic. Psilohuasca is the bomb-diggity and has a lot to offer, definitely check it out. I wouldn't go below 2.5 grams of Rue honestly, 2.5 to 4.5 grams is a good dosage range depending on how deep on the Rue seed you wanna go. Some people prefer Caapi, some people prefer Harmala extracts, but personally i've always worked with Rue and never had any issues with it. It can feel uncomfortable at times but if you mix in some Lemon Balm with it it cleans the Rue right up, makes it feel way better. My last Psilohuasca experience i used 35mgs of 4-ACO-DMT with 2.5 grams of Rue and 4 grams of Lemon Balm and it was the most amazing Psilohuasca experience i've had to date. Just be sure to dose the Rue 30 minutes to an hour before the mushrooms or 4-ACO or DMT for best and most consistent effects. There's so much to learn from when combining Rue with mushrooms, way better than mushrooms by themselves, most who have tried the combination never look back to taking mushrooms alone again.
Honestly, i'm surprised the combo isn't more popular, especially with the popularity of Ayahuasca.
Edited by Sabnock (08/29/20 05:21 PM)
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist]
#26906231 - 08/29/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you consider this minor? IME brain zaps were considerable and made me question the direction I was given at the time.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: mangaka911]
#26906250 - 08/29/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mangaka911 said: Honestly I don't think it could be bad for you, you may just have to be ready to dive that deep into the rabbit hole, syrian rue is usually smoked to ward off the evil eye which is believed to cast a curse leading to misfortune or injury. It's also used as an aphrodisiac and to treat epilepsy, and was also used by an Egyptian dwarf god to keep evil away from the people.
I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
#26906279 - 08/29/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dont use rue and use b. caapi if you are tring to do this.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Typerwritermonky] 1
#26906295 - 08/29/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't use rue? There's literally no reason not to. In fact the cost comparison alone is worth getting the rue. I don't know how many times I used syrian rue this summer. An oz or two? I'm not really sure off-hand but I can say it didn't make me puke or feel anything but more positively about my experience. There was one time but it was my fault because I wasn't as mindful of the drug interactions, the rue mixed with something I ingested a bit earlier and caused a reaction. That is my fault.
I have never found it to be dark.
But it does feel like more. It's hard to put a finger on it..bare minimum it usually feels more deep and meaningful while accompanying a very pleasurable body high. Rue feels delicious and sexy. A good amount of mushrooms + rue + and cannabis can feel like a dose+roll. It gives the mushrooms direction. If just mushrooms were a state of chaos in your mind the rue would bring some clarity to it. It gives it focus. IMO/E
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26906356 - 08/29/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mangaka911 said: Honestly I don't think it could be bad for you, you may just have to be ready to dive that deep into the rabbit hole, syrian rue is usually smoked to ward off the evil eye which is believed to cast a curse leading to misfortune or injury. It's also used as an aphrodisiac and to treat epilepsy, and was also used by an Egyptian dwarf god to keep evil away from the people.
I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
A deeper experience, sure, but taking it with Rue/Harmalas isn't about deeper, the Harmalas add so much more to the experience. We've had this conversation before, don't knock it till you fully and deeply and thoroughly explore it, which i can tell you haven't, otherwise you'd know what's up. Psychedelics are one thing, Harmalas are another, the two together is where it's at, Harmalas have a lot of benefits and are incredibly teaching. With Ayahuasca, people view DMT as the main show, but it's not, the Harmalas are, without the Harmalas, DMT wouldn't be nearly as interesting, same with mushrooms imo. If you want oral DMT, use Moclobemide to activate it, if you want the Huasca, use the Harmalas, it's not about deeper or just making it orally active, it's about everything the Harmalas bring to the picture.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
#26906569 - 08/29/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
A deeper experience, sure, but taking it with Rue/Harmalas isn't about deeper, the Harmalas add so much more to the experience. We've had this conversation before, don't knock it till you fully and deeply and thoroughly explore it, which i can tell you haven't, otherwise you'd know what's up. Psychedelics are one thing, Harmalas are another, the two together is where it's at, Harmalas have a lot of benefits and are incredibly teaching. With Ayahuasca, people view DMT as the main show, but it's not, the Harmalas are, without the Harmalas, DMT wouldn't be nearly as interesting, same with mushrooms imo. If you want oral DMT, use Moclobemide to activate it, if you want the Huasca, use the Harmalas, it's not about deeper or just making it orally active, it's about everything the Harmalas bring to the picture.
I completely disagree with you. Dmt IS the show not the Harmalas. Rue is nothing but a poor man's cappi .. even when it comes to dmt vs changa the pure dmt is superior in my opinion. I personally think all of the ayahuasca hocus pocus is pathetic and annoying. Americans need to use the REAL medicine "mushrooms and freebase dmt"!!!
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
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I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
A deeper experience, sure, but taking it with Rue/Harmalas isn't about deeper, the Harmalas add so much more to the experience. We've had this conversation before, don't knock it till you fully and deeply and thoroughly explore it, which i can tell you haven't, otherwise you'd know what's up. Psychedelics are one thing, Harmalas are another, the two together is where it's at, Harmalas have a lot of benefits and are incredibly teaching. With Ayahuasca, people view DMT as the main show, but it's not, the Harmalas are, without the Harmalas, DMT wouldn't be nearly as interesting, same with mushrooms imo. If you want oral DMT, use Moclobemide to activate it, if you want the Huasca, use the Harmalas, it's not about deeper or just making it orally active, it's about everything the Harmalas bring to the picture.
I completely disagree with you. Dmt IS the show not the Harmalas. Rue is nothing but a poor man's cappi .. even when it comes to dmt vs changa the pure dmt is superior in my opinion. I personally think all of the ayahuasca hocus pocus is pathetic and annoying. Americans need to use the REAL medicine "mushrooms and freebase dmt"!!! 
Riiiiight, keep telling yourself that, mate. Lol, smh. I guess it's a good thing you don't know what Aya is about, leave the real medicine to those who are serious about it.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
#26906767 - 08/29/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol I've used high doses of aya in the past so I actually do.. It's 100% overrated.... The only reason people think it's special is because it's exotic. If you look at the stars on a typical dose of ayahuasca you'll see the stars and moon glowing. If you look at the stars on mushrooms you'll see the stars rush across the sky.. mushrooms are a more visual experience.. mushrooms feel like a oral form of pure dmt while ayahuasca feels like oral changa.. The Harmalas slow the visuals down.. Mushrooms are for people that want to explore the multiverse. Ayahuasca is for vegans with daddy issues ...
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 5
#26906809 - 08/29/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no idea what you're talking about. You seem like you're talking out your ass because he triggered your pride. I don't agree with a single take you made there.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26906817 - 08/29/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 2
#26906919 - 08/29/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll give you one thing, ime, Psilocin does indeed seem to be more visual, for me anyways, than DMT, i'm Autistic, so idk if the way my brain is wired makes any difference, but DMT is hardly visual for me no matter the dose, definitely get it's physical, mental, emotional and spiritual qualities though, it even tapped me into precognition once (when i had the vision of my dad's death 2 weeks before he died). And while i'm not at all dismissing Psilocin, because i do like it almost as much as DMT, oral DMT definitely takes the cake imo, for a few reasons.
That aside though, and take no offence, but try to be a little humbler in your approach, with us here on the message boards and day to day life, and when working with the sacraments, whether Aya, or mushrooms, or cacti or whatever. One thing i learned early on with Aya, don't get cocky, because if done right, and you get cocky, it will smack you down and show you some tough love and much needed discipline.
You say you've worked with Aya, maybe you have, but doesn't seem like you learned anything, which btw has more to say about you than the Aya, like any tool, it depends on who you are, what you bring to it, and how open you are to experimentation and seeing where it all takes you. Idk how many times you've taken it, but as they say, people can take a Psychedelic thousands of time and still remain ignorant and not get much out of it, because they're not approaching it in a more proper way. Perhaps soon you may try re-approaching Aya with a more serious, respectful, curious, experimental, open to learn and seeing what it has to show you kind of approach.
Believe me on this, yes Aya may be trendy, it may be exotic, there may indeed be "some" hype around it, at least as far as the traditional ceremonies/retreats and such goes, or even the apparent praise of Caapi and dismissing of Rue that the so called "traditionalist" new age groupies do, but there are things to it, in particular the Harmala containing plants (both Rue and Caapi alike, which are both more similar at the core than they are different if you really dive deep into it), things that honestly you will not get elsewhere. You really have to work with the Harmalas for a good while, and as uncomfortable or sickly or challenging as it may be, to get into higher/heavier dosages of the Harmalas, that's where the real teachings and magic comes from, which is one reason why traditionally they would go heavy on the Caapi, and light to moderate on the DMT.
DO NOT underestimate this stuff dude, i'm not kidding. It's very powerful, quite serious, ass kickingly hardcore, but has a whole hell of a lot to teach, if only one will listen. Be open and receptive to whatever comes your way, but develop and use your own discernment, but also don't be too quick to draw conclusions, especially too early. Dive into it, stick it out, work with it, be explorative and experimental in your approach, go within yourself, listen to yourself and to the plants. If you ever have some free time, maybe try going on an Aya binge on a regular basis and see how things go with that, unless you're not stable enough to do so, that is. If you seriously practice this stuff, and take it seriously, and remain open and humble and receptive but discerning (not fooling but also not being gullible either), you will start understanding some things you have not yet understood. I assure you.
I don't know much at all, but i do know what i've learned from Aya (using Rue and Mimosa or especially Acacia, and especially with Lemon Balm in the mix), and i'm here to tell you, which no offence to your own experiences, but you are wrong. And instead of berating me or others on here, challenge yourself, ask yourself "am i really missing something here, or do i actually have it all figured out?", chances are, you're missing something, and you shouldn't be so sure of yourself as to think you have things all figured out, because you don't, and we all know that. There's always so much more to learn, if you seek in the right places brother.
Though perhaps it's for the best that you have not found what Aya has to offer, Aya doesn't really have time for people who don't have time for it, yeah they may get something by taking it once, twice, a few times, or here and there, but it ain't gonna open up the flood gates until you are not only ready, but have also leveled up a few notches, unraveled the layers, and moved into it's higher degrees, which takes time, dedication and practice. At least imo/ime anyways.
"As you start to walk on the way, the way appears."
Again, all Entheogens have their place, purpose, and time, all practices for that matter, including things like meditation and yoga and such, so that is in no way to be dismissive of mushrooms for example, no doubt they hold their own ground and can be a teacher in themselves, however, Aya is a different kind of teacher, and i mean, if you're so accustomed to mushrooms on their own, why not spice up the mix by adding some Rue to it for a good while? Aside from Rue, or Caapi, or Harmala extracts, there's also the potential for other admixture plants with mushrooms, various herbs out there, supplements, etc, that imo are worth trying out in combination with Psychedelics in order to change things up, offer different flavors, different experiences, different teachings, there's a whole art around this stuff that the true practitioners of Aya have figured out and developed, not necessarily that everything is true when it comes to traditional shamans and culture and their beliefs, but you can't deny they knew what they were doing and took this stuff seriously enough to truly work with it and learn what it had to teach.
So, just try to keep an open mind, alright? I know, my words are probably wasted on you, but it's serious enough to me that i had to try. And if you don't take anything away from this other than "you don't know everything", that's more than enough for me lol.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
#26907021 - 08/30/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're taking this stuff way too seriously. Psilocin is basically an orally active forum of dmt. It's the oldest one and it's been with humans since the very beginning. You're on a mushroom website! Does it seriously surprise you that I think mushrooms are superior lol? I mean come on man!
I believe most people are using ayahuasca because they've lost their religion. they discover ayahuasca from either some documentary or some celebrity. They go do a ceremony and meet a person that tells them a bunch of mother aya hocus pocus. They get that familiar religious feeling again so they turn it into their new religion.
Would you like to know how I know this? It's because I did the same thing 🤣.. Now that I'm a little older I look back and realize how stupid I was. Im just trying to help you snap out of it.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26907206 - 08/30/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean you're allowed to not like something if its subjective effects disagree with you, but there's not really any need to shit on other people's preferences.
In any case, I've given it some thought and am going to ease into the psilohuasca space. First I'm going to dose mushrooms on the rue afterglow, then if that feels ok I'll incrementally shrink the dosing gap over a few experiences until I'm taking the mushrooms while fully inhibited. As I mentioned mushrooms can often be tough on my system, and they've been a bit more brutal than usual lately (which I think may be linked to other recreational drug use, since halted) so am going to be extra careful with approaching this. That being said I think I'm ready to explore beyond where I'm at with psychedelics at the moment, so am cautiously excited. My next project after this will be extracting some mimosa and trying some pharmahuasca. So many things, so little time...
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Do you consider this minor? IME brain zaps were considerable and made me question the direction I was given at the time.
It's pretty minor for me since it never gives me super bad zaps, unless I take it too soon after having iboga or something in my system. I've had pretty bad brain zaps from SSRI withdrawal so the rue didn't really compare. However, if it gives you really bad ones then a lower dose would probably be a good idea. Might also have been an interaction with food or meds in your system.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist] 1
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I like harmalas. Sometimes if I dose too high they can give me mild palpitations. I know where the threshold is so that doesn't happen anymore. I have home grown vine and also rue extract. These forms give me less side effects than straight up rue.
Mixed with mushrooms it can sometimes be a little intense, feels like I'm circling a black hole or vortex, like I'm being sucked into something but I never actually enter. A funny kind of stasis. I've never had a bad experience mixing the two though, always very interesting. I like the softening of the parts of the mushroom trip too, the changes aren't so sudden between sober and tripping and back, and the extended duration is a great. If you've never done it it's definitely worth trying.
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#26907517 - 08/30/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No it is not! It is an amazing teacher plant!
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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Shenmue said: In my opinion rue makes the experience darker. I wouldn't do it... If you want something more powerful grow panaeolus cyanescens or vaporize some dmt.
It makes it deeper and more spiritual, sometimes darker, sometimes lighter.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
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Shenmue said: Lol I've used high doses of aya in the past so I actually do.. It's 100% overrated.... The only reason people think it's special is because it's exotic. If you look at the stars on a typical dose of ayahuasca you'll see the stars and moon glowing. If you look at the stars on mushrooms you'll see the stars rush across the sky.. mushrooms are a more visual experience.. mushrooms feel like a oral form of pure dmt while ayahuasca feels like oral changa.. The Harmalas slow the visuals down.. Mushrooms are for people that want to explore the multiverse. Ayahuasca is for vegans with daddy issues ...
You have no idea what you talking about.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Yugambeh]
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Just tell us how you feel about it man. No need to validate rants by responding.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Northerner]
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Yeah he sure showed me
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
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Yeah lol.
I grow my own vines and admixture plants at home, have never paid ridonkulous amounts of cash to "shamans" nor been to South America. The plants are what you make of them. The bullshit is just trimmings or possibly even a trap for people looking for direction. It doesn't invalidate the plants though, just the foolish notion that you can steal another culture's rituals and they become meaningful to you.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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Yeah he sure showed me 
I'm in a rough mood today  
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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Shenmue said: You're taking this stuff way too seriously. Psilocin is basically an orally active forum of dmt. It's the oldest one and it's been with humans since the very beginning. You're on a mushroom website! Does it seriously surprise you that I think mushrooms are superior lol? I mean come on man!
I believe most people are using ayahuasca because they've lost their religion. they discover ayahuasca from either some documentary or some celebrity. They go do a ceremony and meet a person that tells them a bunch of mother aya hocus pocus. They get that familiar religious feeling again so they turn it into their new religion.
Would you like to know how I know this? It's because I did the same thing 🤣.. Now that I'm a little older I look back and realize how stupid I was. Im just trying to help you snap out of it.
Not too seriously, but seriously, yes, but it deserves to be taken seriously, as all Entheogens deserve to be. They are serious tools, and the stuff within ourselves this stuff gives us access too is serious.
Psilocin has DMT in it's structure, and has similarities to DMT, but is not DMT, DMT binds to many more receptors and feels a lot different than Psilocin, and takes you to some different places than Psilocin, but Psilocin can definitely take you to some of the same places as DMT, especially when used as Psilohuasca.
I had no religion, and no spirituality, Aya helped me find it, and had i started out with LSD in particular or mushrooms, i likely would not have went as far as i did and found what i have, not just spirituality/religion, but so much more. Maybe if i had started out with mushrooms, and took it seriously and explored it for years, it would've given me some similar things, but different Entheogens give you different things, they may take you to similar territory, but i would not have gotten from mushrooms what i'd get from Psilohuasca for example, they are completely different kinds of experiences.
I've never been to a ceremony, i started out with Aya (in the form of Rue and Mimosa, then Acacia) being my first Psychedelic/Entheogen, i took it on my own, all by myself, in the comfort of my own home, and explored it deeply, regularly, for 4 years straight, i didn't need a ceremony, didn't need a shaman, and didn't need anothers culture or beliefs. I learned what i know directly from myself and the plants.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
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Shenmue said: You're taking this stuff way too seriously. Psilocin is basically an orally active forum of dmt. It's the oldest one and it's been with humans since the very beginning. You're on a mushroom website! Does it seriously surprise you that I think mushrooms are superior lol? I mean come on man!
I believe most people are using ayahuasca because they've lost their religion. they discover ayahuasca from either some documentary or some celebrity. They go do a ceremony and meet a person that tells them a bunch of mother aya hocus pocus. They get that familiar religious feeling again so they turn it into their new religion.
Would you like to know how I know this? It's because I did the same thing 🤣.. Now that I'm a little older I look back and realize how stupid I was. Im just trying to help you snap out of it.
Not too seriously, but seriously, yes, but it deserves to be taken seriously, as all Entheogens deserve to be. They are serious tools, and the stuff within ourselves this stuff gives us access too is serious.
Psilocin has DMT in it's structure, and has similarities to DMT, but is not DMT, DMT binds to many more receptors and feels a lot different than Psilocin, and takes you to some different places than Psilocin, but Psilocin can definitely take you to some of the same places as DMT, especially when used as Psilohuasca.
I had no religion, and no spirituality, Aya helped me find it, and had i started out with LSD in particular or mushrooms, i likely would not have went as far as i did and found what i have, not just spirituality/religion, but so much more. Maybe if i had started out with mushrooms, and took it seriously and explored it for years, it would've given me some similar things, but different Entheogens give you different things, they may take you to similar territory, but i would not have gotten from mushrooms what i'd get from Psilohuasca for example, they are completely different kinds of experiences.
I've never been to a ceremony, i started out with Aya (in the form of Rue and Mimosa, then Acacia) being my first Psychedelic/Entheogen, i took it on my own, all by myself, in the comfort of my own home, and explored it deeply, regularly, for 4 years straight, i didn't need a ceremony, didn't need a shaman, and didn't need anothers culture or beliefs. I learned what i know directly from myself and the plants.
Damn I didn't know you was a neuroscientist lol! You must be some type of genius to know what receptors dmt binds to ...
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
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I do study neuroscience, and the brain and body. I'm autistic, it comes from trying to figure my own self out, and figure out the brain and body in general.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
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Everyone should know whats happening to their brain and body on different substances.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: mangaka911]
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mangaka911 said: Everyone should know whats happening to their brain and body on different substances.
Only one problem. Noone understands how dmt effects the human brain! He's literally making shit up! It's more powerful because you're vaporizing it not because dmt is more potent than Psilocybin!! Fuck I hate people ...
Show me the evidence that dmt hits more receptors than Psilocybin! Show my a copy of your neuroscientist degree! If you can't even do one of those things you're making shit up!
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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mangaka911 said: Everyone should know whats happening to their brain and body on different substances.
Only one problem. Noone understands how dmt effects the human brain! He's literally making shit up! It's more powerful because you're vaporizing it not because dmt is more potent than Psilocybin!! Fuck I hate people ...
Show me the evidence that dmt hits more receptors than Psilocybin! Show my a copy of your neuroscientist degree! If you can't even do one of those things you're making shit up!
Man, you clearly don't know much do you? It does not take a genius to take oral DMT and tell it's differences (and similarities) from Psilocin, it's as clear as day and so obvious. If you don't even know that, then no, you have not investigated Aya much at all, and are quite ignorant about both Harmalas and about DMT. Forget about vaped DMT, we're not talking about vaped DMT, we're talking about oral DMT, yes it's a lot more powerful and intense compared to Psilocin particularly because DMT is a lot more Adrenergic than Psilocin. Also, there are receptor binding profiles online for both DMT, and for Psilocin, among other Psychedelics.
You really ought to tone down the cockiness and arrogance and listen to what people are saying. But sure, you have it all figured out, we're all wrong, don't know what we're talking about, you're absolutely right, you know everything. Does that tickle your ego? lol
Seriously though, you need to explore oral DMT, because you clearly have not, even if you have, you haven't gone deep enough, and dosage doesn't matter nearly as much as being open to learn, to explore, and to experiment. Do yourself a favor, educate yourself on something before you talk about it.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
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I really must be of a rare breed, i haven't found many others that have deeply explored Aya on a daily/near daily basis for years, enough so to learn a lot about it and what it has to offer. Some people have ventured in regularly though, but not many. I can clearly tell Shenmue that you haven't dealt much with it, even if you had taken it a good bit, you haven't really dealt much with it at all.
There's a reason i say people should approach these tools as their own practice, as much as one would with meditation or yoga, and take it seriously, and learn what it has to offer, to work with it for the long term, for years, before drawing conclusions, especially concrete conclusions.
I took it for 4 years straight, and even i have barely scratched the surface of what all it has to offer, but i have learned a lot in the process and i know a lot about it. I'm definitely a lot more experienced than you are Shenmue, not to toot my own horn, but you are inexperienced in this matter and you need to own up to that and admit that to yourself. Maybe you just don't give a fuck, which that's cool i guess, but best not speak about something you don't know about or your ignorance on the subject will show.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock] 1
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I don't know how you dosed harmalas daily for so long man. After about a month I start to hit a threshold. My sensitivity increases a lot and everything gets pretty intense. I've read other people who have experienced similar. I guess if my life wasn't so full and I could roll with it a lot more it'd be easier. Maybe it's a pretty normal reaction.
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Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca?
No, I haven't.
The addition of harmalas make the shroom experience quite powerfull. It can get extremly visual and long lasting, so better start with like half the shroom dose you are used to.
I don't think that harmalas (or simply rue) make the experience "darker", that's nonsense. It gets richer, deeper, different, stronger. Closer to ayahuasca, but still shroomy.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
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Once again all talk. Show me some evidence that dmt hits more receptors than Psilocin! Anyone that's explored panaeolus cyanescens will tell you that it's just as powerful as ayahuasca. Hell I think it might be more powerful because the Harmalas slow the visuals down. I've used high doses of Psilocin and ayahuasca. I took such a high dose of ayahuasca that It gave me depersonalization disorder for 2 years. I honestly think it's you that doesn't know how powerful Psilocin is. They're nearly identical molecules!
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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Psilocin is just orally active dmt when you look at the science and see how it works...
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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You've already got your mind made up and are clearly not interested in learning anything. If you really wanna know what's up, you'll do the research and experimentation. I'm not that one who has something to prove, that remains with you. If you simply don't care, then i guess you'll never understand, Shenmue.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said: I don't know how you dosed harmalas daily for so long man. After about a month I start to hit a threshold. My sensitivity increases a lot and everything gets pretty intense. I've read other people who have experienced similar. I guess if my life wasn't so full and I could roll with it a lot more it'd be easier. Maybe it's a pretty normal reaction.
Idk, i have a lot of free time, or at least i did, not so much now but i'm still able to take Rue pretty regularly when i feel like it. After awhile it does make everything intense, probably one reason i had to quit smoking Cannabis. It takes a lot of dedication and determination to dose this kinda stuff regularly for the long term, not many people do it or are able to do it, apparently.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
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My advice Shenmue, work with Psilohuasca for awhile. What do you have to lose? If you're used to mushrooms, try mushrooms with Rue for awhile, see how the experiences differ.
And can you seriously not tell/feel/sense/observe the differences between oral DMT and Psilocin? I sure can. Don't you know that each Psychedelic is unique and no two Psychedelics are exactly the same no matter how close they are in terms of chemical structure similarity? Yes Psilocin is close to DMT as far as the structure goes, but as we should all know, one little tweak of a compound can produce different results in terms of effects, receptor binding, potency, etc. But again, if you're really wanting to know, you'll take it upon yourself to dive in and learn. If you don't care, then there's nothing we can do about that.
Take my word for it or don't, but you don't know/realize as much as you think you do. You can dismiss my words and blow me off if you like, but i know, and that's enough for me. If you don't wanna know, that's too bad, but maybe for the best for people like you.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
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If I may ask, and I know these things are highly subjective and difficult to articulate, but how does the qualitative experience differ for you between dmt+harmalas and psilocybin or even psilo+harmalas? Pharmahuasca is the next thing on my to-do list after the psilohuasca attempt. I've heard it can be quite intense and a "heavier" experience than most other psychs (I've only done traditional aya once)
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist] 2
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Shenmue said: Psilocin is just orally active dmt when you look at the science and see how it works...
It can be seen as such but obviously it is not. Anybody who tried both once clearly sees the differences. If it was the same, then why bother with oral dmt if you can just eat shrooms? It simply is not the same.
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TheEschatologist said: If I may ask, and I know these things are highly subjective and difficult to articulate, but how does the qualitative experience differ for you between dmt+harmalas and psilocybin or even psilo+harmalas? Pharmahuasca is the next thing on my to-do list after the psilohuasca attempt. I've heard it can be quite intense and a "heavier" experience than most other psychs (I've only done traditional aya once)
Well, intensity and strength depends always on the dose. A mild dose of pharmahuasca is not stronger than a mild mushroom trip. In fact I found mushrooms to be wilder in nature than oral dmt. Oral dmt (ayahuasca and pharmahuasca are quite the same I'd say) is much more clearheaded than mushrooms, even in higher doses.
I have taken up to 14g of potent cubes where I was completly floored with out of body moments feeling nothing than oneness with everything. And some pharmahuasca doses that completly ripped my mind appart, totally unable to move in any way, only able to lay down with closed eyes feeling each molecule of my body exploding into colorfull fractals merging with my sourroundings every second for hours. Orl dmt feels natural yet alien at the same time. It doesn't make much sense, I know, but it really is hard to describe. Due to the clear headiness you are able to think and realize more than with shrooms, in my opinion.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
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You sound like a bot, and obv someone that clearly makes a fool of themselves, you don't gotta be a scientists to do anything lmao, how did you graduate school💀
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: mangaka911]
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Once I did have a bit of a bad trip on psilohuasca because I got very confused. I sat in my couching holding my head in my hands. didnt feel very good. Probably dosed 3 or 4g of cubensis with 300mg of syrian rue harmalas HCL.
THAT BEING SAID, Ive never had a bad trip on shrooms (4-5g cubensis, and Ayahuasca tea, Banisteripsis Caapi.) After taking the shrooms I'd sit or lay down under the full moon and drink a whole bottle of Caapi...good feels. love. god bless.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: FranxLove]
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FranxLove said: Once I did have a bit of a bad trip on psilohuasca because I got very confused. I sat in my couching holding my head in my hands. didnt feel very good. Probably dosed 3 or 4g of cubensis with 300mg of syrian rue harmalas HCL.
THAT BEING SAID, Ive never had a bad trip on shrooms (4-5g cubensis, and Ayahuasca tea, Banisteripsis Caapi.) After taking the shrooms I'd sit or lay down under the full moon and drink a whole bottle of Caapi...good feels. love. god bless.
300mgs of Harmala extract is a bit too much, 180 to 200mgs is plenty, sometimes even less is fine, like 150mgs or so. Also, full spectrum Rue extract, or Syrian Rue seed itself, is more preferable than Harmala hcl extract.
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TheEschatologist said: If I may ask, and I know these things are highly subjective and difficult to articulate, but how does the qualitative experience differ for you between dmt+harmalas and psilocybin or even psilo+harmalas? Pharmahuasca is the next thing on my to-do list after the psilohuasca attempt. I've heard it can be quite intense and a "heavier" experience than most other psychs (I've only done traditional aya once)
For me, Psilohuasca personally feels almost identical to Ayahuasca with oral DMT, but a little different and more relaxed/gentler/looser and not as serious as Aya with oral DMT.
Aya with oral DMT feels a lot more clearheaded than Psilohuasca, with DMT feeling more like a neurotransmitter/neuromodulator compared to Psilocin, and is Adrenergic which creates an Adrenergic intensity which Psilocin seems to lack, though Psilocin and DMT seem to share very similar Serotonergic intensity. You can tell oral DMT has more going on in terms of the receptors it activates or binds to compared to Psilocin.
Though i do seem to get more closed and open eyed visuals from Psilocin, whereas with oral DMT i don't get much in the way of closed eyed visuals no matter the dosage, but i do get some open eyed visuals like an increase in tracers and HD-vision, sometimes what looks like mental imagery being projected onto an external surface, including some sacred geometry, but when oral DMT is activated using Moclobemide instead of Harmalas, i find there is a lot more open eyed visual stuff from the DMT, like the Harmalas seem to redirect DMT's visual activity into making things more mental and physical than visual whereas Moclobemide doesn't do that and merely inhibits MAO-A.
Psilohuasca is also pretty clearheaded, more clearheaded than mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT on their own, but not as clearheaded or clean/sober-feeling as oral DMT is.
Psilohuasca seems to take me, so far, to nearly identical states as Aya with oral DMT does, including the kinds of effects and experiences i get. Mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT on their own, lacks the direction, teachings/guidance, states and experiences, and overall character/personality that Psilohuasca does, they are two completely different kinds of experiences because the Harmalas change the kind of medicine it is compared to mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT on their own.
One time i combined a low dosage of mushrooms with my usual dosage of Acacia Confusa, Rue seed and Lemon Balm, and they synergized very nicely, it's something i want to try out more in the time to come and i think it's a combination worth trying out. It gave me open eyed fractal visuals which is rare for me to get and the overall feeling was very nice.
Psilohuasca also extends the duration of Psilocin out to 9 to 12 hours for me, depending on the dosage of the Rue/Harmalas, whereas without the Harmalas the Psilocin duration is more like 6 hours.
I've also taken mushrooms, as well as 4-ACO-DMT, with Moclobemide instead of the Harmalas/Rue, felt more like DMT with Moclobemide and lacked the Huasca effects just like DMT with Moclobemide, that i'd otherwise get when using Rue/Harmalas.
Pharmahuasca using Harmala extracts, or even Rue/Caapi extracts, is a good bit different than using the Harmala-containing plants. The plants are what i prefer, but one can get away most definitely with using a pure Psychedelic compound like DMT or 4-ACO-DMT, but the Psychedelic side of things doesn't seem to matter nearly as much as the Harmala side of things. The isolated Psychedelic compound still works just as well as the natural material ime, but the Harmala side of things is where the difference is. When using the plants, it feels more natural and full spectrum, when using the full spectrum Rue extract it feels a bit cleaner/lighter and less full than the Rue seed but is closest to feeling like the Rue seed, the Harmala hcl extract basically feels like isolated Harmalas and is a lot cleaner/lighter than the full spectrum extract or the Rue seed itself, but definitely lacks a lot of the benefits that you get from the Rue, including the plant presence/spirit and a lot of it's teachings, and it's the Harmala hcl extract (or isolated Harmine, or isolated Harmaline) which people use most for Pharmahuasca, hence the experiences can be different. No doubt each option has it's benefits and resulting experiences, and they can share similar benefits, but overall it's definitely better to go with the actual Harmala containing plant, even if going with an isolated Psychedelic compound. One can even mix in extra Harmine, or even THH, with the Rue seed, if one wishes, or mix Rue and Caapi together.
Another option is admixture plants, there are countless/various herbs or even supplements out there that can be mixed with the Huasca's, or even the basic Psychedelic itself like mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT, maybe even LSD, or Mescaline/Cacti, in order to color things a certain way or add certain benefits to the mix or drive the experience into a certain direction or to give you a certain kind of experience, etc. It's definitely worth experimenting with imo. My favorite admixture plant so far is Lemon Balm, it smooths out the come up, reduces anxiety and panic, contributes some relaxation, doesn't seem to dull down the headspace, and colors the experience very nicely, i usually use 3 to 4.5 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea with my Psychedelic of choice. It goes very well with Acacia Confusa, as well as mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT or Psilohuasca, and i've had most of my truly spiritual/mystical/teaching experiences with Lemon Balm in the mix, it also helps to clean up how the Rue feels especially in terms of headspace and bodyload.
Also keep in mind, the more regularly the Harmalas are consumed, a reverse tolerance will build up, which not only makes the Harmala dosage stronger each time, but after awhile of regular consumption, the side-effects will go away, so no more potential nausea or vomiting, the bodyload cleans up, and the motor function impairment is reduced, which helps make heavier Harmala dosages more manageable/functional and easier to tolerate and cleaner/lighter, allowing you to dive more fully into heavy Harmala territory without the discomfort. Probiotics also seem to help with the gut discomfort that Harmalas/Rue/Caapi can cause, so that's also worth looking into and trying out with some good probiotics.
I've also been taking Mucuna extract (which contains standardized L-Dopa), and a lot of people seem to be wary of Mucuna/L-Dopa but for me i've taken it like twice a day everyday for 3 years straight, stopped taking it for awhile, and recently started back taking it again, and i've had it in the mix with Psychedelics as well and it seems to help add some clarity and clearness to the headspace, so that may also be something worth checking out. I've had no side-effects at all, and no withdrawal effects at all, from taking Mucuna extract, i get about 600mgs of L-Dopa content a day from taking the extract. If i take it when i take the Rue, i take the Mucuna extract 2 hours before taking the Rue, and all is well, i've even taken it 2 hours after the Rue, and all has been well, but when i've taken it at the same time as the Rue, i've had a bit of an increase in heart rate and a potentiation of the L-Dopa content, so i find taking it 2 hours before the Rue to be best.
As far as mushrooms on their own, or 4-ACO-DMT on it's own goes, as i said, they are completely different experiences compared to Psilohuasca, they can no doubt be interesting on their own and do have things to offer on their own, but i much prefer the Psilohuasca, it just has a lot more to offer and feels way better.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
#26912890 - 09/01/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Another interesting tidbit worth mentioning, is that 4-ACO-DMT for some reason feels a lot more Shroomy when used with Rue than mushrooms with Rue does, i mean both are Shroomy no doubt, and mushrooms themselves are Shroomy, obviously, but 4-ACO-DMT with Rue always seems to give me closed eyed visuals of mushrooms, and it feels more Shroomy than mushrooms, and you can also feel the Psilocin way more when mixing 4-ACO-DMT with Rue than using 4-ACO-DMT on it's own. At times 4-ACO-DMT with Rue also feels more alien, though i've noticed 4-ACO-DMT with Rue, depending on the dosages of 4-ACO-DMT and Rue, as well as the timing between the 4-ACO-DMT and the Rue, can feel Shroomy, or it can feel like Ayahuasca, or it can feel like smoked DMT, or a cross between all three. It truly is a very interesting and awesome compound, which definitely seems to give mushrooms a run for their money lol, but mushrooms are very good too, no doubt.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: FranxLove] 1
#26915643 - 09/03/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the all the feedback guys, it's really helped me clarify the approach to my future psilo/pharmahuasca attempts.
I'm planning on doing a full spectrum extract on the rue and a basic naptha pull on the mimosa I have, then dosing the finished powders together. I'm no expert on oral dmt, but I've read this is the best way to minimize nausea and body discomfort when it comes to aya analogues while keeping most of the magic.
I think trying psilohuasca will be a sort of training for the pharma experience. I'm encouraged by the comments saying that dmt+harmala is clearer than mushrooms alone. I like mushrooms but sometimes (often actually) it feels like they turn on me, so I wouldn't mind a more predictable medicinal psych (which I know is relative when talking about these things).
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FranxLove said: Once I did have a bit of a bad trip on psilohuasca because I got very confused. I sat in my couching holding my head in my hands. didnt feel very good. Probably dosed 3 or 4g of cubensis with 300mg of syrian rue harmalas HCL.
THAT BEING SAID, Ive never had a bad trip on shrooms (4-5g cubensis, and Ayahuasca tea, Banisteripsis Caapi.) After taking the shrooms I'd sit or lay down under the full moon and drink a whole bottle of Caapi...good feels. love. god bless.
From what I've read, those are pretty big doses on both the mushroom and harmala sides. As far as I understand overshooting the dosages on psilohuasca means a super intense 8-12 hour trip - not exactly a walk in the park haha.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist] 1
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If you do pharmahuasca, it's better to dose the harmalas 30 to 45min before dosing the dmt.
Reason behind is that harmalas need some time to fully inhibit gut-mao. If you dose both at the same time it might be that most (or all) of the dmt gets broken down by mao before the harmalas inhibit mao.
When I dose dmt orally, I dissolve my crystals in a shotglass with warm water and a splash of white vinegar. Stirr well and let sit for 20min. This turns the freebase dmt into a salt, which is easier to digest and absorb by our stomache. Lemon juice can also be used (warm water + a splash of lemon juice). Lemon turns it into dmt-citrate, vinegar into dmt-acetate. Both are salts, leading to less nausea than dmt freebase.
I dose my harmalas in a capsule (180 to 200mg of the pure alkaloids), then prepare my dmt-shot. After 30 to 40min I drink the shot in one gulp and chase with something tasty, like some fruit juice. Dmt dissolved in vinegar tastes very bad. Lemon might taste better, but I haven't tried this. 
Never had too bad nausea this way, at least I never puked from oral dmt this way. 
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Pandemoon]
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@Pandemoon thank you sir, good info as always! 
Just a quick followup question. Does capsulating the rue extract and/or the dmt change the dosing window when taking them together? I've read capsules can sometimes take a while to break open when in the stomach, so maybe that would change the 30-45 minute timing with the rue before the dmt?
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist]
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It depends on the capsule.
Some vegetarian capsuls (rare) are known to take longer than usual to dissolve in the stomache, but those common gelantine capsuls (most caps are gelantine) take maybe a minute or two till they are dissolved.
As I said, I take my harmalas always in a gel capsule, then like 30 to 40min later the dmt (dissolved as salt in a liquid, see above). Works well for me.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Pandemoon]
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I always use ground encapsulated seeds these days, in gel caps, using the same time frame. I haven't had any issues. It's nice that they're so cheap, $20-30 worth is enough for years.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: larry.fisherman]
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Thanks a lot guys (that's me raising my glass of dmt juice to you)
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist] 1
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1) Have you had a rough experience with and if so, how and why do you think it happened?
2) How is the experience qualitatively different from mushrooms alone?
Thanks a lot, E
Saw the thread bumped by the ultra-negative response and was bummed by it. So I'm answering your thoughts with somewhat different take.
1) With well-targeted MAO-inhibition, it's always been smooth for me. I might have over-done the dosage and gotten into amnesia territory once. I not sure that amnesia is 'bad' or that it isn't therapeutic, but it certainly makes it harder to tell good stories about the experience.
2) I think getting the MAO right makes me much more relaxed and accepting than mush alone. I find staying still to be much easier. I find the synesthesia to be much more pronounced. And I find it there's a quality of being spoken to that's much more direct than mush alone. I had one experience, for example, where for thought after thought, I had a voice telling me to 'think bigger'.
To me, it's the best psychedelic experience, in my experience preferable to oral DMT/pharmahuasca. Part of the rewards, IMO, come from careful planning that's above and beyond what a typical mush-alone experience necessitates.
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