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Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue)
#26906085 - 08/29/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey all
I've been playing around with the idea of doing this combo recently. I have a fair amount of experience working with mushrooms and harmalas separately, but not together really. Only once did i sip some mushroom tea while on rue and I experienced some uncomfortable brain zaps which put me off trying it again. I've seen some interesting reports on it though so would like to try again, but am wary.
So, I wanted to ask those here who've tried it:
1) Have you had a rough experience with and if so, how and why do you think it happened?
2) How is the experience qualitatively different from mushrooms alone?
Thanks a lot, E
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist]
#26906092 - 08/29/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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In my opinion rue makes the experience darker. I wouldn't do it... If you want something more powerful grow panaeolus cyanescens or vaporize some dmt.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
#26906094 - 08/29/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rue gives me horrible anxiety. I honestly think it's bad for you...
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26906124 - 08/29/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's very interesting to hear it gives you a response like that. To me it has always felt quite gentle and deletes my depression for a few days afterwards so it's become kind of like the go-to plant medicine for my mental health. If I over shoot my dose it can jack my heart rate a bit and cause a brain zap or two, but nothing crazy like a "bad trip" on mushrooms.
I can believe it may darken the mushroom trip though. Mushrooms are often already quite dark for me so that's a bit of an ominous prospect haha
Edited by TheEschatologist (08/29/20 02:23 PM)
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
#26906126 - 08/29/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly I don't think it could be bad for you, you may just have to be ready to dive that deep into the rabbit hole, syrian rue is usually smoked to ward off the evil eye which is believed to cast a curse leading to misfortune or injury. It's also used as an aphrodisiac and to treat epilepsy, and was also used by an Egyptian dwarf god to keep evil away from the people.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: mangaka911] 3
#26906228 - 08/29/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rue is a very wonderful teacher plant, isn't dark at all, can feel rough at times especially as the dosage increases but it provides very light-filled and spiritual/teaching experiences when mixed with a Psychedelic. Psilohuasca is the bomb-diggity and has a lot to offer, definitely check it out. I wouldn't go below 2.5 grams of Rue honestly, 2.5 to 4.5 grams is a good dosage range depending on how deep on the Rue seed you wanna go. Some people prefer Caapi, some people prefer Harmala extracts, but personally i've always worked with Rue and never had any issues with it. It can feel uncomfortable at times but if you mix in some Lemon Balm with it it cleans the Rue right up, makes it feel way better. My last Psilohuasca experience i used 35mgs of 4-ACO-DMT with 2.5 grams of Rue and 4 grams of Lemon Balm and it was the most amazing Psilohuasca experience i've had to date. Just be sure to dose the Rue 30 minutes to an hour before the mushrooms or 4-ACO or DMT for best and most consistent effects. There's so much to learn from when combining Rue with mushrooms, way better than mushrooms by themselves, most who have tried the combination never look back to taking mushrooms alone again.
Honestly, i'm surprised the combo isn't more popular, especially with the popularity of Ayahuasca.
Edited by Sabnock (08/29/20 05:21 PM)
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist]
#26906231 - 08/29/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you consider this minor? IME brain zaps were considerable and made me question the direction I was given at the time.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: mangaka911]
#26906250 - 08/29/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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mangaka911 said: Honestly I don't think it could be bad for you, you may just have to be ready to dive that deep into the rabbit hole, syrian rue is usually smoked to ward off the evil eye which is believed to cast a curse leading to misfortune or injury. It's also used as an aphrodisiac and to treat epilepsy, and was also used by an Egyptian dwarf god to keep evil away from the people.
I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue]
#26906279 - 08/29/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dont use rue and use b. caapi if you are tring to do this.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Typerwritermonky] 1
#26906295 - 08/29/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't use rue? There's literally no reason not to. In fact the cost comparison alone is worth getting the rue. I don't know how many times I used syrian rue this summer. An oz or two? I'm not really sure off-hand but I can say it didn't make me puke or feel anything but more positively about my experience. There was one time but it was my fault because I wasn't as mindful of the drug interactions, the rue mixed with something I ingested a bit earlier and caused a reaction. That is my fault.
I have never found it to be dark.
But it does feel like more. It's hard to put a finger on it..bare minimum it usually feels more deep and meaningful while accompanying a very pleasurable body high. Rue feels delicious and sexy. A good amount of mushrooms + rue + and cannabis can feel like a dose+roll. It gives the mushrooms direction. If just mushrooms were a state of chaos in your mind the rue would bring some clarity to it. It gives it focus. IMO/E
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26906356 - 08/29/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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mangaka911 said: Honestly I don't think it could be bad for you, you may just have to be ready to dive that deep into the rabbit hole, syrian rue is usually smoked to ward off the evil eye which is believed to cast a curse leading to misfortune or injury. It's also used as an aphrodisiac and to treat epilepsy, and was also used by an Egyptian dwarf god to keep evil away from the people.
I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
A deeper experience, sure, but taking it with Rue/Harmalas isn't about deeper, the Harmalas add so much more to the experience. We've had this conversation before, don't knock it till you fully and deeply and thoroughly explore it, which i can tell you haven't, otherwise you'd know what's up. Psychedelics are one thing, Harmalas are another, the two together is where it's at, Harmalas have a lot of benefits and are incredibly teaching. With Ayahuasca, people view DMT as the main show, but it's not, the Harmalas are, without the Harmalas, DMT wouldn't be nearly as interesting, same with mushrooms imo. If you want oral DMT, use Moclobemide to activate it, if you want the Huasca, use the Harmalas, it's not about deeper or just making it orally active, it's about everything the Harmalas bring to the picture.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
#26906569 - 08/29/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
A deeper experience, sure, but taking it with Rue/Harmalas isn't about deeper, the Harmalas add so much more to the experience. We've had this conversation before, don't knock it till you fully and deeply and thoroughly explore it, which i can tell you haven't, otherwise you'd know what's up. Psychedelics are one thing, Harmalas are another, the two together is where it's at, Harmalas have a lot of benefits and are incredibly teaching. With Ayahuasca, people view DMT as the main show, but it's not, the Harmalas are, without the Harmalas, DMT wouldn't be nearly as interesting, same with mushrooms imo. If you want oral DMT, use Moclobemide to activate it, if you want the Huasca, use the Harmalas, it's not about deeper or just making it orally active, it's about everything the Harmalas bring to the picture.
I completely disagree with you. Dmt IS the show not the Harmalas. Rue is nothing but a poor man's cappi .. even when it comes to dmt vs changa the pure dmt is superior in my opinion. I personally think all of the ayahuasca hocus pocus is pathetic and annoying. Americans need to use the REAL medicine "mushrooms and freebase dmt"!!!
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26906609 - 08/29/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't believe in that hocus pocus. Mushrooms don't need rue and if you want a deeper experience all you have to do is eat more. Believe me I'm not the only one that will tell you that rue gets dark. I view Mushrooms and lsd as a superior substances compared to ayahuasca. I think rue and cappi are the most over rated substances ever. Do what you want though it's your life..
A deeper experience, sure, but taking it with Rue/Harmalas isn't about deeper, the Harmalas add so much more to the experience. We've had this conversation before, don't knock it till you fully and deeply and thoroughly explore it, which i can tell you haven't, otherwise you'd know what's up. Psychedelics are one thing, Harmalas are another, the two together is where it's at, Harmalas have a lot of benefits and are incredibly teaching. With Ayahuasca, people view DMT as the main show, but it's not, the Harmalas are, without the Harmalas, DMT wouldn't be nearly as interesting, same with mushrooms imo. If you want oral DMT, use Moclobemide to activate it, if you want the Huasca, use the Harmalas, it's not about deeper or just making it orally active, it's about everything the Harmalas bring to the picture.
I completely disagree with you. Dmt IS the show not the Harmalas. Rue is nothing but a poor man's cappi .. even when it comes to dmt vs changa the pure dmt is superior in my opinion. I personally think all of the ayahuasca hocus pocus is pathetic and annoying. Americans need to use the REAL medicine "mushrooms and freebase dmt"!!! 
Riiiiight, keep telling yourself that, mate. Lol, smh. I guess it's a good thing you don't know what Aya is about, leave the real medicine to those who are serious about it.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
#26906767 - 08/29/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol I've used high doses of aya in the past so I actually do.. It's 100% overrated.... The only reason people think it's special is because it's exotic. If you look at the stars on a typical dose of ayahuasca you'll see the stars and moon glowing. If you look at the stars on mushrooms you'll see the stars rush across the sky.. mushrooms are a more visual experience.. mushrooms feel like a oral form of pure dmt while ayahuasca feels like oral changa.. The Harmalas slow the visuals down.. Mushrooms are for people that want to explore the multiverse. Ayahuasca is for vegans with daddy issues ...
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 5
#26906809 - 08/29/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have no idea what you're talking about. You seem like you're talking out your ass because he triggered your pride. I don't agree with a single take you made there.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26906817 - 08/29/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Shenmue] 2
#26906919 - 08/29/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll give you one thing, ime, Psilocin does indeed seem to be more visual, for me anyways, than DMT, i'm Autistic, so idk if the way my brain is wired makes any difference, but DMT is hardly visual for me no matter the dose, definitely get it's physical, mental, emotional and spiritual qualities though, it even tapped me into precognition once (when i had the vision of my dad's death 2 weeks before he died). And while i'm not at all dismissing Psilocin, because i do like it almost as much as DMT, oral DMT definitely takes the cake imo, for a few reasons.
That aside though, and take no offence, but try to be a little humbler in your approach, with us here on the message boards and day to day life, and when working with the sacraments, whether Aya, or mushrooms, or cacti or whatever. One thing i learned early on with Aya, don't get cocky, because if done right, and you get cocky, it will smack you down and show you some tough love and much needed discipline.
You say you've worked with Aya, maybe you have, but doesn't seem like you learned anything, which btw has more to say about you than the Aya, like any tool, it depends on who you are, what you bring to it, and how open you are to experimentation and seeing where it all takes you. Idk how many times you've taken it, but as they say, people can take a Psychedelic thousands of time and still remain ignorant and not get much out of it, because they're not approaching it in a more proper way. Perhaps soon you may try re-approaching Aya with a more serious, respectful, curious, experimental, open to learn and seeing what it has to show you kind of approach.
Believe me on this, yes Aya may be trendy, it may be exotic, there may indeed be "some" hype around it, at least as far as the traditional ceremonies/retreats and such goes, or even the apparent praise of Caapi and dismissing of Rue that the so called "traditionalist" new age groupies do, but there are things to it, in particular the Harmala containing plants (both Rue and Caapi alike, which are both more similar at the core than they are different if you really dive deep into it), things that honestly you will not get elsewhere. You really have to work with the Harmalas for a good while, and as uncomfortable or sickly or challenging as it may be, to get into higher/heavier dosages of the Harmalas, that's where the real teachings and magic comes from, which is one reason why traditionally they would go heavy on the Caapi, and light to moderate on the DMT.
DO NOT underestimate this stuff dude, i'm not kidding. It's very powerful, quite serious, ass kickingly hardcore, but has a whole hell of a lot to teach, if only one will listen. Be open and receptive to whatever comes your way, but develop and use your own discernment, but also don't be too quick to draw conclusions, especially too early. Dive into it, stick it out, work with it, be explorative and experimental in your approach, go within yourself, listen to yourself and to the plants. If you ever have some free time, maybe try going on an Aya binge on a regular basis and see how things go with that, unless you're not stable enough to do so, that is. If you seriously practice this stuff, and take it seriously, and remain open and humble and receptive but discerning (not fooling but also not being gullible either), you will start understanding some things you have not yet understood. I assure you.
I don't know much at all, but i do know what i've learned from Aya (using Rue and Mimosa or especially Acacia, and especially with Lemon Balm in the mix), and i'm here to tell you, which no offence to your own experiences, but you are wrong. And instead of berating me or others on here, challenge yourself, ask yourself "am i really missing something here, or do i actually have it all figured out?", chances are, you're missing something, and you shouldn't be so sure of yourself as to think you have things all figured out, because you don't, and we all know that. There's always so much more to learn, if you seek in the right places brother.
Though perhaps it's for the best that you have not found what Aya has to offer, Aya doesn't really have time for people who don't have time for it, yeah they may get something by taking it once, twice, a few times, or here and there, but it ain't gonna open up the flood gates until you are not only ready, but have also leveled up a few notches, unraveled the layers, and moved into it's higher degrees, which takes time, dedication and practice. At least imo/ime anyways.
"As you start to walk on the way, the way appears."
Again, all Entheogens have their place, purpose, and time, all practices for that matter, including things like meditation and yoga and such, so that is in no way to be dismissive of mushrooms for example, no doubt they hold their own ground and can be a teacher in themselves, however, Aya is a different kind of teacher, and i mean, if you're so accustomed to mushrooms on their own, why not spice up the mix by adding some Rue to it for a good while? Aside from Rue, or Caapi, or Harmala extracts, there's also the potential for other admixture plants with mushrooms, various herbs out there, supplements, etc, that imo are worth trying out in combination with Psychedelics in order to change things up, offer different flavors, different experiences, different teachings, there's a whole art around this stuff that the true practitioners of Aya have figured out and developed, not necessarily that everything is true when it comes to traditional shamans and culture and their beliefs, but you can't deny they knew what they were doing and took this stuff seriously enough to truly work with it and learn what it had to teach.
So, just try to keep an open mind, alright? I know, my words are probably wasted on you, but it's serious enough to me that i had to try. And if you don't take anything away from this other than "you don't know everything", that's more than enough for me lol.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: Sabnock]
#26907021 - 08/30/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're taking this stuff way too seriously. Psilocin is basically an orally active forum of dmt. It's the oldest one and it's been with humans since the very beginning. You're on a mushroom website! Does it seriously surprise you that I think mushrooms are superior lol? I mean come on man!
I believe most people are using ayahuasca because they've lost their religion. they discover ayahuasca from either some documentary or some celebrity. They go do a ceremony and meet a person that tells them a bunch of mother aya hocus pocus. They get that familiar religious feeling again so they turn it into their new religion.
Would you like to know how I know this? It's because I did the same thing 🤣.. Now that I'm a little older I look back and realize how stupid I was. Im just trying to help you snap out of it.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26907206 - 08/30/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean you're allowed to not like something if its subjective effects disagree with you, but there's not really any need to shit on other people's preferences.
In any case, I've given it some thought and am going to ease into the psilohuasca space. First I'm going to dose mushrooms on the rue afterglow, then if that feels ok I'll incrementally shrink the dosing gap over a few experiences until I'm taking the mushrooms while fully inhibited. As I mentioned mushrooms can often be tough on my system, and they've been a bit more brutal than usual lately (which I think may be linked to other recreational drug use, since halted) so am going to be extra careful with approaching this. That being said I think I'm ready to explore beyond where I'm at with psychedelics at the moment, so am cautiously excited. My next project after this will be extracting some mimosa and trying some pharmahuasca. So many things, so little time...
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Do you consider this minor? IME brain zaps were considerable and made me question the direction I was given at the time.
It's pretty minor for me since it never gives me super bad zaps, unless I take it too soon after having iboga or something in my system. I've had pretty bad brain zaps from SSRI withdrawal so the rue didn't really compare. However, if it gives you really bad ones then a lower dose would probably be a good idea. Might also have been an interaction with food or meds in your system.
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Re: Have you ever had a bad experience with psilohuasca? (mushrooms + syrian rue) [Re: TheEschatologist] 1
#26907512 - 08/30/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like harmalas. Sometimes if I dose too high they can give me mild palpitations. I know where the threshold is so that doesn't happen anymore. I have home grown vine and also rue extract. These forms give me less side effects than straight up rue.
Mixed with mushrooms it can sometimes be a little intense, feels like I'm circling a black hole or vortex, like I'm being sucked into something but I never actually enter. A funny kind of stasis. I've never had a bad experience mixing the two though, always very interesting. I like the softening of the parts of the mushroom trip too, the changes aren't so sudden between sober and tripping and back, and the extended duration is a great. If you've never done it it's definitely worth trying.
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