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OfflinePrimalSoup
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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: PsilyZee] * 1
    #26926652 - 09/09/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I've been thinking over this thread and thought I'd add some more.

After getting up sore as fuck, taking 3 ibuprofen, having breakfast, and before going outside in smokey air with ash in it from forest fires up the Santiam Canyon to hose off vehicles and the driveway, I prepared with 2 hits of Blue Thunder.

God what a difference - makes me feel relaxed AND excellent.  What's not to like?


Overall (Why do people enjoy cannabis?) I think if just may be as simple as that some people really enjoy weed, and others just don't.  :shrug:

I've never noticed much change in how it affects me - and that I always like it, whether I'm using it a lot or only occasionally - but the difference between now and back in the day is the existence of a lot of different high potency strains, some of which reliably bring different qualities to the party.  Some allow me to both feel great AND work effectively at whatever I'm doing.  Those are the ones I seek out.

But one curious thing which I've noticed before and now quite conspicuously recently is that a high dose of mushrooms removes all desire I have for weed for several days.  Which saves considerable on having to buy it, while waiting on the plant in the back yard. :awesomenod:


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 3
    #26926958 - 09/09/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I used to love, love, love smoking weed. It relaxed me, made me feel giggly and silly - food tasted awesome, music was enhanced tenfold.

Eventually, the weed just turned on me. I would smoke and go completely into my head, stare at myself in the mirror, become catatonic and weird. I ended up becoming a full on schizophrenic - apparently this happens to a small portion of people. I couldn't smoke without severe anxiety and paranoia. I'd be walking home from a friend's house and every car that drove by me I was terrified of it being a drive-by and getting shot.

I'd love to go back to that time and still enjoy weed. However, I'm fine without it. I still smoked for a long time even after becoming schizophrenic because I just had that craving and kept hoping that it would be like old times, but no. It was not meant to be. I haven't smoked in over 3 years and can't imagine that I'll smoke anytime soon. I totally get why people enjoy it - it's a blast when you're getting those happy-silly-stoned experiences, being so high you're getting closed eye visuals and trippy feelings but I don't experience that at all now, just straight to paranoia and anxiety which is not pleasurable.

If you can enjoy it, enjoy it! But my advice is if there comes a time when it's time to put it away, then just accept it and move on. There is more to life than marijuana. :cheers:


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #26927236 - 09/09/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Amen to that.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: EternalCowabunga] * 1
    #26927765 - 09/10/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/29/marijuana-name-cannabis-racism
Harry Anslinger, the bureaucrat who led the prohibition effort, is credited as saying back then: “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”

Today “cannabis” and “marijuana” are terms used more or less interchangeably in the industry, but a vocal contingent prefers the less historically fraught “cannabis”. At a time of intense interest in past injustices, some say “marijuana” is a racist word that should fall out of use.




...and I agree 100%. Cannabis people, cannabis!


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #26927791 - 09/10/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
If you can enjoy it, enjoy it! But my advice is if there comes a time when it's time to put it away, then just accept it and move on. There is more to life than marijuana. :cheers:




Exactly this. I used to love weed as well but it slowly made me hedonistic whenever I was high (and I didn't even smoke that often). All I cared about was consuming entertainment and mindless shit while I was high. All of that changed when I quit late last year.

Then I went back to it recently for a short stint and I'm back at abstinence. I wanted to see if anything changed and, sadly, it hadn't. I think it's more of a problem with me rather than the weed causing such effects. Ultimately, I find mushrooms to be the transcendental experience I've been looking for, even if it comes with more difficulty than just getting stoned from some weed.

But, when I was younger and smoked, it really helped me see the world in a new perspective. I thought outside of my narrow perception and it helped me be more open to experience. I think it did its job and it is just time for me to move on.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26927912 - 09/10/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I remember taking breaks thinking "If I just take a break for a few weeks maybe the high will change back to what it was" or "It's been a few months now, I'm sure I can enjoy weed again".

But yeah, I'm grateful for the good times it gave me too.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #26928043 - 09/10/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My significant other and I smoke weed once a week to have what we jokingly refer to as "mystical sex". So we basically use it as an aphrodisiac. It really feels mystical and amazing, especially with some instrumental psychedelic rock to go with it.

I don't use it for anything else, except maybe after a mushroom trip while camping.

I agree that music in general becomes fully captivating and immersive. Since I had my first psychedelic trip, I noticed my weed experiences have become more... introspective as well. Like as if other psychedelics (LSD, shrooms) made me realize how similar the weed experience is in terms of living in the now and feeling the present moment.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #26931998 - 09/12/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
If I take too long of a break, the longer I want to not use it. It's strange. I feel a certain level of tolerance is useful to get the most out of it.




Strange...  the longer I go without it, the more enjoyable it is when I return. I never could understand how a shroomer can get anxiety from cannabis... but then again, shrooms never induced anxiety in me... just euphoria.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: cannacrab] * 2
    #26932356 - 09/12/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Cannabis anxiety is different from anything you get on psychedelics. It’s pure terror with no reason. Feels like you are about to pass out or have a stroke. Be happy you don’t experience this because it’s not fun. If you want to see what it’s like, one way to get there is to eat a very large dose of edibles.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: drr] * 1
    #26932381 - 09/12/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A few weeks ago I was a bit I'll so I drank some thc tincture. I usually use the dropper to dose but I was like, I'll just swig a tiny amount. Say 100mg. When I went for my sip I had drank the whole bottle on accident. It was 500mgs. About 30 minutes later I was evaluating my life's choices. It was a general anxiety that lasted for hours. I would be able to relax then it would hit me in waves. I personally cannot compare the mushroom anxiety and thc anxiety. I'm no stranger to high thc doses so it has its moments where it will turn on you.
 

To think that just because some jumps out of air planes for a living wouldn't have any phobias?


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26932699 - 09/12/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I consume 1-1.5g of cannabis a day, and my life has only been improving in regards to health, wealth/career, relationships, etc.

To each their own.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: drr]
    #26934163 - 09/13/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Cannabis anxiety is different from anything you get on psychedelics. It’s pure terror with no reason. Feels like you are about to pass out or have a stroke. Be happy you don’t experience this because it’s not fun. If you want to see what it’s like, one way to get there is to eat a very large dose of edibles.




Is 100mg of edibles consumed in one dose large? I usually find that edibles affect me in a way that is very numbing and warm for me.. When I consumed 100mg+, colors were brighter and I felt I was in an ethereal space, as I usually do when using alot of Cannabis. The only way I can induce anxiety with cannabis is by smoking alot of sativa very fast .. but it comes as more of a rush for me than anything that scares me... I enjoy taking it on

With psilocybin, I take tea. If I don't get nausea, I don't get pre-trip anxiety. I find that the effects are so strong that my mindset is opposite of what would make it possible to have a panic attack.. which makes this intriguing because during normal sobriety, I can have no reason terror panic attacks.

Cannabis really helps alleviate my depression, which is usually pretty horrible with intrusive OCD thoughts.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: cannacrab]
    #26934283 - 09/13/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It really depends on the person. 100mg is definitely a heavy dose for most people but you could already be a heavy smoker with a high tolerance.

I don’t know what the dose is that gave me pure terror anxiety attacks. It was before i ever went to a dispensary, when I was making butter from trim and I would just try to put as much plant matter as I could into as little butter as I had to. It would come out green like wasabi and taste strongly of weed. I’d make these psychedelic level edibles that put anything you get from a dispensary to shame. 100mg thc? 200? More? I have no idea. We’d eat them and go into this almost comatose state. I’d often get visuals. While one dose unit of cookie or whatever I made it into would be plenty, my friends and I would often eat 2-5 each over the course of an hour or two and then it would be next level stoned. Usually it’s an extremely sleepy and sluggish thing but always with a twinge or anxiety and faster heart rate. But anyway there was one time where I scarfed 3 down really quick and they were way stronger than I expected. I thought I was going to die. Of a heart attack, then a stroke. I almost called 911 a few times. It lasted 4-5 hours, of sheer panic. When I finally calmed down enough to stop hyperventilating and lay down in bed, the extreme tactile hallucinations got out of control. I felt like my head was... hollow. Or not there at all. It felt like I was disappearing into a void. I became convinced I was having a stroke, and that triggered the anxiety response and I again started hyperventilating and thinking I was going to die. It felt like it would never end.

After that I wasn’t so careless about edible doses anymore.

After having tried dispensary edibles with marked dosages since, if I had to estimate the dose that made me think I was dying, id say it was many hundreds of mg of thc.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26934676 - 09/14/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Weed has always been great for me, i'm functional, creative and content for the most part.

The hardest realisation i've had is that i am all of those things WITHOUT cannabis, after exploring my spiritual side, my trauma and my creativity in the last few years i came to realise that weed was helping me hold myself back, in a very possessive and deceiving way...it's an incredibly useful medecine and tool but i (like with many others) have been conditioned to abuse most things - and weed is possibly the most easily abusable substance in existence for me because i function so well.

If i have it, i will smoke it (well, vape it now i have the dynavap) constantly, even after a break i'll be back up to big tolerance within a week.

So i now have this cycle of smoking for a couple of weeks when things are too much/as a reward - then going cold turkey once i'm feeling lazy/worrying about the financial cost/feeling hazy especially in the mornings.

Like with anything, moderation is key and i just find that cannabis is quite possessive in it's effect.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Piaseski]
    #26934731 - 09/14/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

you mean it's dope in all senses of the word:
a great discovery initially or after a break;
then, a bit of a challenge to remain in charge, so to speak.


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #26934771 - 09/14/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I took a few more puffs the other night, my tolerance is still zero. It did a real good job of bringing my unconscious to the surface, I would definitely end up in the ward these days if I took a large enough amount at the tolerance I am at(at least it feels that way :lol:) I have no comprehension of how I would ever become a daily toker again, nor do I want to

Same exact sensations as I described yet I was in a better set and setting, though it didn't really help with managing the effects, rather I was better able to understand why they occur, it's a potent psychedelic with no tolerance, and im definitely going to keep it that way. In my experience of recreational users you either use(abuse) it to numb yourself/zombify or you use it as a psychedelic tool, of course it has its medicinal properties too which I think are better attained not smoking but using tinctures or topicals


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #26936250 - 09/15/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

On the other side of the coin I really don't enjoy it.  I've grown and tried many strains too.  I've never got any euphoria from it, just maybe giggles with friends but mostly it just makes me imagine the worst scenarios possible and I'm fighting with ridiculous paranoia over fuck all.  Also if I smoke it more than once a week it effects my short term memory for days and makes me moody.  I get on better with it if I'm hiking in nature with friends but yeah it definitely isn't compatible with me.

Perhaps it's because I'm naturally a happy person with no mental health issues etc so it didn't lift my mood because perhaps I'm not out of balance in the first place?


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: cannacrab]
    #26936253 - 09/15/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If I take too long of a break, the longer I want to not use it. It's strange. I feel a certain level of tolerance is useful to get the most out of it.




Strange...  the longer I go without it, the more enjoyable it is when I return. I never could understand how a shroomer can get anxiety from cannabis... but then again, shrooms never induced anxiety in me... just euphoria.




I've been doing shrooms for about 7 years now and only had pangs of anxiety when I've got setting wrong (hello shopping mall).  Weed, constant negative thoughts try and invade.  One good thing is my memory is so bad on it I can usually distract myself into forgetting what I was paranoid about but yeah not worth the dull high imo


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: sarahnya]
    #26936425 - 09/15/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

true dat a daily drawing for such things

I think it would have prevented it for me

for prevention and removing like things in one's life like a garden


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Re: Why do people enjoy cannabis? [Re: Piaseski] * 1
    #26939999 - 09/17/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Weed has always been great for me, i'm functional, creative and content for the most part.

The hardest realisation i've had is that i am all of those things WITHOUT cannabis, after exploring my spiritual side, my trauma and my creativity in the last few years i came to realise that weed was helping me hold myself back, in a very possessive and deceiving way...it's an incredibly useful medecine and tool but i (like with many others) have been conditioned to abuse most things - and weed is possibly the most easily abusable substance in existence for me because i function so well.

If i have it, i will smoke it (well, vape it now i have the dynavap) constantly, even after a break i'll be back up to big tolerance within a week.

So i now have this cycle of smoking for a couple of weeks when things are too much/as a reward - then going cold turkey once i'm feeling lazy/worrying about the financial cost/feeling hazy especially in the mornings.

Like with anything, moderation is key and i just find that cannabis is quite possessive in it's effect.




Moderation is the key, but more so balance; something very few people consciously embrace willingly without some sort of negative personal experience or perception of it. I always laugh because most people's notion of balance is simply stopping one activity while not balancing anything else out in the process. So, a different flavor of the same imbalance, but they think they're onto something because they stopped smoking weed.

See, everyone has a story like this but misses the forest for the trees IMHO: the weed is showing you more of yourself.

Many people suddenly stop because they realize the weed lets them relax a bit too much or skirt personal issues, but those issues are never non-solvable. Your awareness OF THEM increases. They are more center of attention. I feel this is why people get anxiety; they don't want to face themselves.

The drug is irrelevant.

If you're not solving your issues once aware of them no amount of abstinence from any drug is going to solve them. You can stop smoking pot and stay right where you are or you can be high AF all day and solving your personal issues.  A lot of people are a balance of the two. I smoke .25g every 3-4 hours and my health, career/income, and relationships have never been better. To each their own when you're in the zone. (my little catch phrase saying).

If stopping smoking pot helps you on your path all the power to you. I find that many simply replace variables, get a dopamine spike from feeling like they're stopping/starting a new good habit, then repeat the same shit with zero changes to the present besides the wrapping paper.

Cannabis ironically breaks this chain of negative confluence, until people start blaming the pot itself instead of using the solutions to problems it provides via the temporary increase in conscious awareness.


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