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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26905809 - 08/29/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Why does the USPS even exist? Like why is that a function of government? 99% of it is just fucking junk mail that none of us want. I don't get it. Why is the government in the business of forcing advertisements on us?

Abolish the post office! :lol:


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: blewmeanie] * 2
    #26905815 - 08/29/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

ACTCHUALLY... it's in the Constitution.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26905817 - 08/29/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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ACTCHUALLY... it's in the Constitution.



Not really. It's not a requirement. Congress just has the power to do it. Why do it now though? I get how it was necessary 100 years ago, but there's really no benefit to it now as far as I cant tell.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26905835 - 08/29/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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We fall more and more into orwellian style society every day.

All 13shrooms had to do was actually look up the act he's talking about to know that
bill clinton wasnt president when it was signed. Your attempt to rewrite history is
extremely orwellian in nature and intellectually dishonest as fuck.

I dont like the clintons at all but principle matters dude




I didnt feel like looking it up.. so I got the name wrong, that wasnt the point.  I wasnt trying to rewrite history or being dishonest.  calm down snowflakes.

and yeah trump hired relatives to work the whitehouse staff.  so do all the other potus.  thats my point, this isnt a trump thing.  its a government thing. 

I see sides being made about this, hate trump all you want.  Im libertarian, I dont takes the left or right side.  the left wing and the right wing both keep the same bird flying. 

Im with Bod, tv has yall brainwashed.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: 13shrooms] * 2
    #26905860 - 08/29/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You're a snowflake if you think everyone who corrects you is being a snowflake. Sorry people don't just let glaringly wrong things go especially when they're used as propaganda.

The point was to make Clinton or Dems look bad. So if someone else didn't do their research it like yourself it works.

So TV may have you brainwashed too because that shit sounds right out of Fox


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26905874 - 08/29/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

if you think coronavirus is the governments' problem to solve and not yours go over to some fuckin socialist country. And stop throwing blame on everyone else but yourself.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: Saul Ptamets] * 1
    #26905885 - 08/29/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I like getting Christmas cards from my grandma in the mail :crankey:


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26905900 - 08/29/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously though most of the important stuff that comes through the mail is from the government. Tax stuff, vehicle registration, permits and denial letters.


And then of course there's drugs.


Honestly it does irk me a bit when people say mail service is useless. Just goes to show how removed people are from the supply line. Any business you walk into recieves at least some of the things they need to function cheaply through the USPS.

Though I have seen first hand what corona has done to snail mail. I work in insurance and we are legally required to send some mail via certified mail from USPS. That legal requirement has been suspended and it's saved us boxes of paper.
The main reason we're required to do that though is you have to sign to get the mail. The post office has to stamp a reception date. So you can't say you didn't get a warning of imminent cancellation if you don't pay your bill.

Now? That whole department is a mess and legal has their hands full. They're just waiving alot of the smaller bills (don't try that at home) and the money we saved on mail and paper is a drop in the bucket compared to the money we will ultimately lose.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26905903 - 08/29/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i wasnt using propaganda, I said the wrong dude, simple as that.  stop trying to create drama..  lol 

ever heard of a mistake?  thats all it was.  and I called dude a snowflake cus hes clearly got trump derangement syndrome cus all he wants to do is blame 1 dude when its the gov and has been for decades.  that was my whole point is this stuff isnt new..


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26906025 - 08/29/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Seriously though most of the important stuff that comes through the mail is from the government. Tax stuff, vehicle registration, permits and denial letters.


And then of course there's drugs.


Honestly it does irk me a bit when people say mail service is useless. Just goes to show how removed people are from the supply line. Any business you walk into recieves at least some of the things they need to function cheaply through the USPS.

Though I have seen first hand what corona has done to snail mail. I work in insurance and we are legally required to send some mail via certified mail from USPS. That legal requirement has been suspended and it's saved us boxes of paper.
The main reason we're required to do that though is you have to sign to get the mail. The post office has to stamp a reception date. So you can't say you didn't get a warning of imminent cancellation if you don't pay your bill.

Now? That whole department is a mess and legal has their hands full. They're just waiving alot of the smaller bills (don't try that at home) and the money we saved on mail and paper is a drop in the bucket compared to the money we will ultimately lose.




That money you've lost though, would have been payed for by the tax payers. The USPS has run at a deficit for decades.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26906036 - 08/29/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously though most of the important stuff that comes through the mail is from the government. Tax stuff, vehicle registration, permits and denial letters.


And then of course there's drugs.


Honestly it does irk me a bit when people say mail service is useless. Just goes to show how removed people are from the supply line. Any business you walk into recieves at least some of the things they need to function cheaply through the USPS.

Though I have seen first hand what corona has done to snail mail. I work in insurance and we are legally required to send some mail via certified mail from USPS. That legal requirement has been suspended and it's saved us boxes of paper.
The main reason we're required to do that though is you have to sign to get the mail. The post office has to stamp a reception date. So you can't say you didn't get a warning of imminent cancellation if you don't pay your bill.

Now? That whole department is a mess and legal has their hands full. They're just waiving alot of the smaller bills (don't try that at home) and the money we saved on mail and paper is a drop in the bucket compared to the money we will ultimately lose.




That money you've lost though, would have been payed for by the tax payers. The USPS has run at a deficit for decades.



No that's money that would have been earned by the USPS. We pay for that service.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26906040 - 08/29/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Fed ex and UPS could pick up all of USPS's slack and do it better. They'd easily handle all of it.

Most of the stuff the government touches still uses floppy disks


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26906045 - 08/29/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Not enough. We have some of the cheapest postal costs of any country. A stamp should probably cost at least $1.50.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26906048 - 08/29/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Most of the stuff the government touches still uses floppy disks




Government probably still on 8" floppies.

These ones are advertised as not working, so they are perfect for the government.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26906049 - 08/29/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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CookieCrumbs said:
Seriously though most of the important stuff that comes through the mail is from the government. Tax stuff, vehicle registration, permits and denial letters.


And then of course there's drugs.


Honestly it does irk me a bit when people say mail service is useless. Just goes to show how removed people are from the supply line. Any business you walk into recieves at least some of the things they need to function cheaply through the USPS.

Though I have seen first hand what corona has done to snail mail. I work in insurance and we are legally required to send some mail via certified mail from USPS. That legal requirement has been suspended and it's saved us boxes of paper.
The main reason we're required to do that though is you have to sign to get the mail. The post office has to stamp a reception date. So you can't say you didn't get a warning of imminent cancellation if you don't pay your bill.

Now? That whole department is a mess and legal has their hands full. They're just waiving alot of the smaller bills (don't try that at home) and the money we saved on mail and paper is a drop in the bucket compared to the money we will ultimately lose.




That money you've lost though, would have been payed for by the tax payers. The USPS has run at a deficit for decades.



No that's money that would have been earned by the USPS. We pay for that service.




People who don't use that service, pay for that service. I never send anything through usps, and I'd definitely prefer never to receive anything from them. It's a trash service, that robs that taxpayers, and there's no reason for it to exist that I can think of. Every other carrier does a better job, at a lower rate, and they only charge the people utilizing their service.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26906088 - 08/29/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's supposed to be people paying higher postal costs than needed to cover areas that would have outrageous postal costs (Midwest.)

The USPS is not supposed to be collecting tax dollars. They needed to raise their prices but have been reluctant to because people whine. People still complain that a stamp no longer costs 25c.


The USPS is supposed to be a self sufficient service for decades. But they work under much stricter regulations. That's why they need grants ect and can't adapt.

Like when Congress got the bright idea that they should fund employees retirement decades in advance. A regulation no other public or private entity is held to.


The main reason the USPS is in a bad way is it's supposed to be a semiprivate business and government couldn't figure out how to keep their hands out of it.


Like social security.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26906090 - 08/29/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's a fine enough system that hasn't been allowed to adapt.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26906470 - 08/29/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Not enough. We have some of the cheapest postal costs of any country. A stamp should probably cost at least $1.50.



Probably because that's the price it should be. The post office might not be falling apart if a first class stamp was 1.50
But business would cry about their bottom line rather than just adapt. They sell a service customers will be fine if you sneak an extra dollar in the bill


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #26906482 - 08/29/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Do people in this thread never ship anything? USPS has amazing service vs fedex and UPS.. they are Waaaaaaay cheaper most times. Not only that, but USPS observes a great deal of protections as to your mails security... there is nothing legally holding back ups or fedex from just opening your stuff, while usps requires a warrent to do so.


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Re: USPS is fucked [Re: twighead]
    #26906485 - 08/29/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Also if you want to know why USPS is failing fiscally, look no further than the crippling bullshit bill passed in 06 under the bush administration...

PAEA was the first major overhaul of the United States Postal Service (USPS) since 1970.[5] It reorganized the Postal Rate Commission, compelled the USPS to pay in advance for the health and retirement benefits of all of its employees for at least 50 years,[4] and stipulated that the price of postage could not increase faster than the rate of inflation.[6][7] It also mandated the USPS to deliver six days of the week.[8] According to Tom Davis, the Bush administration threatened to veto the legislation unless they added the provision regarding funding the employee benefits in advance with the objective of using that money to reduce the federal deficit.[2]



So yeah, imagine running a business where you suddenly out of the blue need to be putting aside 50 years into the future of employee benefits


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