|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Coir Trough Tek 6
#26905736 - 08/29/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
4x big coir blocks, 20 gallons hot water, about half a bag of verm and a 75 gallon stock tank.
Yields ~23 standard 56-66qt substrates in under an hour.

break it up using a claw hammer

Add 20 gallons hot water, cover to expand (I use a trash bag and a tub lid), minimum 15 mins.

Mix with a corded drill paddle mixer going top to bottom, add half bag verm, mix well again.

Grab a few different handfuls and feel for field capacity, this last step is up to feel, err on the side of less water, add more verm if needed. Mix well and test before using.

Once mixed evenly & properly hydrated, even if hot you can begin spawning.
Results using this method: (Pesa, pesaboner, apeu, rw)

Thanks for those who introduced me to this, you know who you are. I didn't come up with this but haven't seen this posted, someone told me one can easily double this recipe.
Edited by filthyknees (07/05/21 06:47 PM)
|
Tormato  
The Goddess Kali Meh 😛




Registered: 07/01/17
Posts: 6,067
|
|
For when you wanna do BULK bulk 
I can dig it man...I've done something similar to this when I wanted to do make more than 10 monos. Easier than having 10+ 5 gallon buckets to deal with.
Field capacity was kind of a crap shoot, but like what you were saying above I always tried to aim for slightly under than over as well....easier to add water than to subtract it.
Edited by Tormato (08/29/20 03:46 PM)
|
eatyualive
Eat's You Alive :)



Registered: 08/17/01
Posts: 19,026
Loc: In Your Head
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: Tormato]
#26905783 - 08/29/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository



Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
|
All hail the mighty filth-meister...
I will definitely use this in my next run coming up.
|
Pastywhyte
Say hello to my little friend



Registered: 09/15/12
Posts: 37,809
Loc: Canada
|
|
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
Tormato nice to not have ten plus buckets indeed, reducing steps, motions. That extra water bucket is variable based on the old eyeball / hand squeeze method, pretty much around the same every time.
Eat 
Funky I did this for you man, don't let us down 
Pasty
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
"scooping bucket?"
|
LotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster


Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
|
|
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: LotKid] 1
#26906823 - 08/29/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
What do you know about making sub? Get the fuck out of here lotkid. Go fuck your parafilm
|
Failboat
Fuck Up
Registered: 02/01/18
Posts: 8,736
Last seen: 2 days, 22 hours
|
|
|
MycoWill
Stranger
Registered: 01/26/20
Posts: 97
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: Failboat]
#26906974 - 08/30/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Do you find verm aids in moisture retention? How many lbs of spawn would you add to that? Do you add the spawn directly to the trough or to each individual tub?
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository



Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: MycoWill] 1
#26907013 - 08/30/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Keep spawn separated to each individual tub, and sanitize your hands between each tub while you're at it. You wouldn't do it all at once because you would be mixing any single contaminated bag into every other bag if you mix them together.
"...Gotta keep 'em separated! EyyyEYYYeyyy!" 
Now I'm jamming some OffSpring lol, thanks for making me think of that oldie but goodie
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: MycoWill]
#26907211 - 08/30/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MycoWill said: Do you find verm aids in moisture retention? How many lbs of spawn would you add to that? Do you add the spawn directly to the trough or to each individual tub?
Verm does hold water. It's not nessecary though.
We use four quarts of spawn per tub.
Spawn goes in individual tubs.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Psicomb



Registered: 01/13/18
Posts: 4,635
Loc: the womb
|
|
fucking awesome man
--------------------
When we constantly pull things apart trying to see how it works, we may end up with only an understanding of how to destroy something - nick sand
|
eatyualive
Eat's You Alive :)



Registered: 08/17/01
Posts: 19,026
Loc: In Your Head
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: Psicomb]
#26907417 - 08/30/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
For us laymen, do you have any pictures of a claw hammer? Im a parafilm connisour myself. Ive used the same roll for 10 plus years lmao. Only on a roll though.
Edited by eatyualive (08/30/20 11:39 AM)
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
 The claw part, for the 5kg bricks.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
|
nice. I thought I was scaling up with my rubbermaid tubs 
|
LotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster


Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
|
|
#ParafilmGang
|
Roger Clemency
Smile


Registered: 03/23/20
Posts: 2,005
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: LotKid]
#26908047 - 08/30/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Balliiin.
What’s up with that pic of the coir? It looks like a tub full of quartz or some dirty ice slush. I like it
-------------------- Sour grapes, sweet revenge Heaven starts right where hell ends
|
Your Dudeness
Stranger

Registered: 11/10/18
Posts: 189
Last seen: 9 months, 24 days
|
|
Quote:
Roger Clemency said: Balliiin.
What’s up with that pic of the coir? It looks like a tub full of quartz or some dirty ice slush. I like it
That's the 20 pounds of vermiculite I think lol. Personally I think it's a waste of coir. The bottom will probably become too compacted. I'd have more faith in a kiddie pool more surface area.
-------------------- RR sent me
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
|
Quote:
Your Dudeness said:
Quote:
Roger Clemency said: Balliiin.
What’s up with that pic of the coir? It looks like a tub full of quartz or some dirty ice slush. I like it
That's the 20 pounds of vermiculite I think lol. Personally I think it's a waste of coir. The bottom will probably become too compacted. I'd have more faith in a kiddie pool more surface area.
he's not growing in it dude. look at his monos at the end of the post.
|
Your Dudeness
Stranger

Registered: 11/10/18
Posts: 189
Last seen: 9 months, 24 days
|
|
I didn't see anything about going into monos looked like it's one big bulk trough tek lol. I won't argue with a fellow Randy Marsh friend.
-------------------- RR sent me
|
LotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster


Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
|
|
It is a bulk substrate prep for multiple tubs at the same time...
|
Your Dudeness
Stranger

Registered: 11/10/18
Posts: 189
Last seen: 9 months, 24 days
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: LotKid]
#26908125 - 08/30/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
LotKid said: It is a bulk substrate prep for multiple tubs at the same time...
That makes more sense. Like using propane instead of charcoal I tell ya h'wat
-------------------- RR sent me
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
Quote:
Yields ~23 standard 56-66qt substrates in under an hour.
dead giveaway. Also the "i use a marked five gallon bucket as a scooper" line. He did make ya read between the lines a tad but obviously is not spawning that entire batch.
|
Your Dudeness
Stranger

Registered: 11/10/18
Posts: 189
Last seen: 9 months, 24 days
|
|
Sorry I've been hittin the chronic while reading.
-------------------- RR sent me
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
i forgive you
|
Your Dudeness
Stranger

Registered: 11/10/18
Posts: 189
Last seen: 9 months, 24 days
|
|
Quote:
verum subsequentis said: i forgive you
They won't make me a trusted cultivator if I can't read between the photos lol.
-------------------- RR sent me
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository


Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
|
😳
|
eatyualive
Eat's You Alive :)



Registered: 08/17/01
Posts: 19,026
Loc: In Your Head
|
|
And at myself on the claw hammer..
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
Anyone wondering if you can double this, better get a 100gal tank.
This one gets filled to the tip top doing a double recipe and the paddle mixer stops turning toward to bottom with all that.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository


Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
|
Yowza...
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
I've fiddled around with larger batches but keep going back to smaller simply because mixing is easier. I guess i should qualify that. Smaller here means still a shite load of coir. Mixing deep batches becomes quite a chore, even with the proper tools. I think it's time for a cement mixer
|
coAsTal
Friend


Registered: 04/04/06
Posts: 2,970
Loc: 8a
|
|
-------------------- I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the Heart's affections and the truth of Imagination-- John Keats Spore Trading List
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository


Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
|
I was just looking at available cement mixers and most of them are pretty small, I did find a couple decently big ones but it started getting pretty spendy. Did you have a certain one in mind?
|
CocaineBuffet
Stranger



Registered: 08/29/19
Posts: 3,456
Last seen: 26 minutes, 13 seconds
|
|
Quote:
Your Dudeness said:
Quote:
verum subsequentis said: i forgive you
They won't make me a trusted cultivator if I can't read between the photos lol.
They sure as hell aint going to give it to you when you tell users to ignore learning agar and putting spores to grain
|
Your Dudeness
Stranger

Registered: 11/10/18
Posts: 189
Last seen: 9 months, 24 days
|
|
Spores to grain rules!
-------------------- RR sent me
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
Quote:
Funky Monkey said: I was just looking at available cement mixers and most of them are pretty small, I did find a couple decently big ones but it started getting pretty spendy. Did you have a certain one in mind?
no. Just an idea
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository


Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
|
Quote:
Your Dudeness said: Spores to grain rules!
😳
🤫...... 😖💩(Your Rudeness)
Quote:
verum subsequentis said:
Quote:
Funky Monkey said: I was just looking at available cement mixers and most of them are pretty small, I did find a couple decently big ones but it started getting pretty spendy. Did you have a certain one in mind?
no. Just an idea
🤘 Right on.
|
Your Dudeness
Stranger

Registered: 11/10/18
Posts: 189
Last seen: 9 months, 24 days
|
|
Ya'll just a bunch of spore to grain haters I'm gonna learn agar just to spite you sons a biches!
-------------------- RR sent me
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
|
|
good luck
|
LotKid
Never.Trust.A.Prankster


Registered: 01/07/17
Posts: 8,169
Loc: Shakedown St.
|
|
Quote:
Your Dudeness said: Spores to grain rules!
Maybe in 1998. 
Quote:
Your Dudeness said: Ya'll just a bunch of spore to grain haters I'm gonna learn agar just to spite you sons a biches!
Dont do it for our sakes...
|
Stipe-n Cap


Registered: 08/04/12
Posts: 7,623
Loc: Canada
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: LotKid]
#26962866 - 09/30/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
subbed
|
Mycfunkd
Stranger
Registered: 09/30/20
Posts: 4
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
|
|
Edited by Mycfunkd (09/30/20 09:12 PM)
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: Mycfunkd]
#26962917 - 09/30/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Well, guess I just saw this. I have a similar trough. About to get a chorded drill soon. Bye bye shovel
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Dhearic


Registered: 01/24/14
Posts: 846
Loc: Neverland
Last seen: 9 months, 3 days
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26962926 - 09/30/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|

Just mixed a batch tonight in a 30gal tote.
~6500g coir ~5 gallon verm 500g gypsum ~10 gallon H20
--------------------
Credit where credit is due.
|
MycoWill
Stranger
Registered: 01/26/20
Posts: 97
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: Dhearic]
#26971637 - 10/06/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Do you guys thoroughly wash your mixing containers between batches? If it was only water and coir in it and you're going to mix another batch in a day or two using boiling water, do you believe it is necessary?
Also, if anyone is interested I can post pics of my mixing container. Maybe I should make a new thread. It's a 55 gallon plastic barrel, suspended with a pipe that runs through the middle. That pipe is securing the barrel a few inches above the ground in a wood frame. This allows me to spin the barrel easily,bottom over top. So I load up 10 kg of coir, the appropriate amount of almost boiling water, a bit of gypsum, close the lid and spin it 10x. Wait 8 hours, spin 10x, wait 8-16 hours, spin again and it's not completely broken up and fluffed and ready to use. I tip over the bucket and fill a tub, dump that tub into my mixing table (2x4 melamine table with 4" sides and a hole on one end made from furnace ducting. Put a garbage bag under the hole and push the coir into the hole, add a bag of grain to the bag, mix it all up and put it in to a tub, trim the excess bag with a scalpel and I'm done.
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: MycoWill] 1
#26971692 - 10/06/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I don't clean it out in between every run, more so on days where there is little to do it will get a soapy water bath.
Also this is just hot tap water. I lineup my tubs up prelined, and just scoop, dump, scoop, dump, scoop, dump.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
|
Quote:
filthyknees said: I don't clean it out in between every run, more so on days where there is little to do it will get a soapy water bath.
Also this is just hot tap water. I lineup my tubs up prelined, and just scoop, dump, scoop, dump, scoop, dump.

as someone that preps multiple monos at one, I'd be interested to see what you think of my liner tek. wonder how you feel about the trade off of quickly mixing it in the bag, versus precutting the liner and mixing it by hand in the tub. I wish there was an in between, without having to waste more plastic.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26874924/fpart/1/vc/1
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
Eats method is by far the fastest. In pre preped tubs ive spawned tubs in as little as 30 seconds using his liner tucking method.
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Pastywhyte
Say hello to my little friend



Registered: 09/15/12
Posts: 37,809
Loc: Canada
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26971834 - 10/06/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I love the look and results of eats’ liner tuck but I’m incapable of making my giant shovel hands perform the movements without making a massive mess.
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
Hahaha! I have pewny little wuss hands. Id probably be great at origami
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26971906 - 10/06/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
TedsDead said: Eats method is by far the fastest. In pre preped tubs ive spawned tubs in as little as 30 seconds using his liner tucking method.
I mean, you gotta consider that 'pre-prep' time too. and what do you mean pre preped? is your spawn and sub already mixed? or is it just cutting and laying liners? I'm interested in comparing overall, not just one aspect of it. In the time it takes you to pre-prep 10 tubs, I could have possibly done just as much work in my method, ya see? While you're cutting, I'm mixing... While you're mixing, I'm cutting... I'll probably just need to do side-by-side myself
Edited by Munchauzen (10/06/20 10:58 AM)
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
Theres no cutting of liners. I just line a bunch of tubs and dump in the initial substrate. Then after I have a bunch prepped like that I break up the spawn, mix, tuck the liner, and add a toplayer. Its still way faster than when I was cutting liners. I also like the inconspicuous trashbag to toss the sub instead of carrying a tube around. I have watched your method as well.
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26971960 - 10/06/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
hmm well ya I just lift mine out into a trashbag thats why I use lawn and leaf bags so they dont rip when I lift em. it just seems to me like you're trading off doing one thing for another, so I can't really see one being that much faster than the other. like I said, I'll have to try it my next round of tubs.
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
Right now I use 6mil plastic, using a template so it doesn't need trimming in the tub after one cut.
I'd say by the video it seems just as quick to mix in the tub as in the bag. So 6 one way, half dozen the other.
I can't stand trimming the liner inside the tub so I'd probably go with the tucking trash bag method.
Not sure how expensive those trash bags are vs big roll of 6mil/how many liners I get from a roll.
I like how sturdy the 6mil is but dislike the time spent cutting. I'd think zero trimming will be the fastest of all.
Will try both and report back on timing.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
I get 60, 33 gal bags for 8.99$ im not sure what they cost other places. Cutting plastic sounds tedious to me tho and just 1 more extra step. Gonna spawn some today. Ill have to time the whole process with prep and report back
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
|
I don't like hand mixing tbh. Gets under my fingernails and its never very even distribution. I'll end up with corners that are all grains or all coir. I have this dream of using one bag to mix stuff, then dumping onto an eat liner to tuck. but that would possibly cross contaminate if I used the same bag for every tub to mix, or create lots of trash if I used two trash bags for every mono. trying to figure out a way to mix in the bag without having to trim.
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
I know alot of people on here cringe at the thought of trimming their nails butnits not that bad
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26972134 - 10/06/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I wear gloves when mixing and just run my fingers down all the corners and flip them over.
After a while it's just muscle memory, same motions for every tub.
Will have to report back in a few weeks.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Oatman2000
-=Outa Space=-




Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 2,877
Loc: Planetary Nebula
Last seen: 1 year, 4 months
|
|
I've been contemplating buying a cement mixer at harbor freight for something similar to this.
Toss it in and giver a whirl!
--------------------
Spawning to COIR
My Chocolate Recipe
WBS QUART SPAWN JAR PREPERATION ----------------------------
4-PO-DMT; 4-phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethltryptamine
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
The OP shows 40-50 gallons of substrate for reference.
I found the 100 gallon tanks from ace hardware for about $89.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
U mean the barrels? Or the troughs?
A harbor freight cement mixer wont fit enough sub to be practical I dont think
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
Edited by TedsDead (10/06/20 01:34 PM)
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26972262 - 10/06/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'm pretty confident in my abilities to make and identify clean spawn but I'm definitely not going to be mixing more than one monotub into a bunch of substrate.
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26972872 - 10/06/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
TedsDead said: U mean the barrels? Or the troughs?
A harbor freight cement mixer wont fit enough sub to be practical I dont think
~ 45 gallons in the trough with the OPs recipie
roughly 8qts per tub x 22 substrates = 176qts or 45 gallons.
Quote:
Munchauzen said: I'm pretty confident in my abilities to make and identify clean spawn but I'm definitely not going to be mixing more than one monotub into a bunch of substrate.
Hm?
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Dhearic


Registered: 01/24/14
Posts: 846
Loc: Neverland
Last seen: 9 months, 3 days
|
|
I think he's talking about mixing all of his bulk substrate and spawn together in 1 big batch and then distributing that to the tubs. Saying it's not something he wants to do.
If the spawn is clean and all of the same culture I don't see why not. Just make sure a dirty bag doesn't sneak by. I can definitely see why one might not want to do that though.
The last bed I spawned I mixed up the bulk sub then dumped in my bags of grain and mixed it all up together with the drill/paint mixer combo. Hand mixing that much stuff sucks.
I think a batch mixer would rock but they are mucho pricey. Instead I will probably pick up a cement mixer next year. Still trying to decide which kind and such.
--------------------
Credit where credit is due.
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository


Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
|
Oh shit. Take a few days off and filthy gets his long deserved TC badge 'eh? Good shit. Congrats brother!
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
Ok, I timed myself today. Its about 3 minutes for me to make a tub without prep when im going at full pace with eats liner tek
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 14,342
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26975720 - 10/08/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
thx!
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository


Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26975990 - 10/08/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
TedsDead said: Ok, I timed myself today. Its about 3 minutes for me to make a tub without prep when im going at full pace with eats liner tek
Compared to what?
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
Thebtubs in 30 sec that I had pre- prepped
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Funky Monkey
Human Suppository


Registered: 05/14/19
Posts: 1,099
Loc: In your MOM's poop shoot
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26976292 - 10/08/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'm a moron... I am lost.
So this took you longer, and you prefer your other method. Or, this one works better?
Not being facetious, legit inquiry.
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
The method that eat made a tek for with the bag tuck is my go to atm. Trough and bag liner tek... golden
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
eatyualive
Eat's You Alive :)



Registered: 08/17/01
Posts: 19,026
Loc: In Your Head
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26976572 - 10/09/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
i saw your 2 minute(if that) spawn session! Cant beat that speed. 👊
Id totally do this tek if i had the space. But im a micro 🌈 farmer.
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|

I tried the 30 gal bags a bunch yesterday and I have to say I like the 6mil better.
The potential time saved by not cutting is just replaced with fumbling with flimsy plastic while trying to mix, the folding and tucking takes just as much time as precutting the liners and is more annoying than precutting IMO.
Will report back on munches method next, and I'll outline how I do my 6mil liners, if yall wanna try that.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
thats because you got the textured bags. those suck! they dontstick to the sidewalls of the tubs. try the smooth ones. much better
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26986818 - 10/15/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'll give it a try.
Was just thinking when you take it out to harvest and put it back in the bags needs to get retucked, more motions.
Just from the folding and tucking motions which are a pain IMO I'm gonna say I highly doubt I'll use them, I'm glad they're working for you, and I'll give the smooth ones a try but I don't see me loving having to fold and tuck every liner, then refolding and tucking in second flush.
Imo the motions of cutting plastic sheet on an open table vs folding plastic within a tub is not hard to choose between as I've been doing it. The less time spent bent over a tub the better.
I assume you've tried the 6mil ted
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
not yet. Ive tried rolls of painters masking plastic tho. It was ok.
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26988519 - 10/16/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
   
  
20 ft. x 100 ft. Black 6 mil Plastic Sheeting
Makes 450-500 liners / $100 = $0.22-$0.20 per liner or 5¢ more per liner than using 30 gal trash bags at Ted's price of 60/$9 as a reference.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Mr. Mushie

Registered: 01/16/20
Posts: 667
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
|
|
Would you mind sharing the dimensions of your template?
I'm using the same roll of black 6 mil plastic that you have pictured here as well as the same 56qt sterlite totes that you use.
Trying to avoid wasting a bunch of the 6 mil sheeting by guessing how much to cut my first time.
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
28x18
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Your Daddy
Registered: 11/13/20
Posts: 55
|
|
Deleted
Edited by Your Daddy (12/04/20 09:45 PM)
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
Hello, welcome and thanks.
I haven't tried that doubling up idea. I see no reason to, you're right I think.
You're right that I leave extra couple inches on the short sides for easy removal (see fruits in OP), takes two seconds. (Then check out munches electric knife Tek).
Black or clear doesn't matter. I like black.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Your Daddy
Registered: 11/13/20
Posts: 55
|
|
Quote:
filthyknees said: Black or clear doesn't matter. I like black.
Cool, cool. Any reason?
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
No reason
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
Ya, clear and black theres no difference. Its all about air not getting to the sub around the sides. Ive used clear painters masking plastic and its by far the cheapest but eats trashbag method is the easiest for me and gives the option of carrying out the sub discretely if needed which I like
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Your Daddy
Registered: 11/13/20
Posts: 55
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#27056458 - 11/25/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Deleted
Edited by Your Daddy (12/04/20 09:46 PM)
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
You'll have bigger things to think about if you're keeping up at this pace.
Ps I'm gonna update this Tek in a couple months, I've started just using 4 bricks and not chipping off one to measure 15,000grams so saves a few mins in scaling.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
1 5kg brick to 5 gal verm and 6-7 gal h20 is what I use. i dont weigh anything these days but i can tell right away if a brick feels light and might add slightly less water hence the 6-7 gals per brick
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#27056962 - 11/25/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I'd trust that any day.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Jaxster
Stranger

Registered: 09/18/20
Posts: 8
Last seen: 6 months, 27 days
|
|

Man, this is one solid Unit of a tek.
Perhaps when I get the storage building cleared out here I might actually have the room to use this.
-------------------- Let the Fungus be among us. The music is reversible, but time is not. Turn back, turn back...
Edited by Jaxster (11/25/20 11:39 AM)
|
RogerRabitsMycoBra
Stranger
Registered: 10/15/20
Posts: 12
|
|
Thanks for the tek man.. Might be a rookie question but what do you do if the sub comes out too wet? Add verm? If not Im imagining a whole lot of squeezing.. I follow the bucket tek to a T. I've even weighed every gram of sub but I cant ever seem to get my field capacity right without having to squeeze. The only difference Ive noticed between your tek and mine is that you add verm after the hot waters been mixed.. Any feedback would be appreciated <3 <3
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
Good question. Always add slightly less water than what you think.
I know this is vague but after a few times you'll get better at the eyeball method.
If it's too wet I will definitely just eyeball add some verm accordingly.
Edit: I would reccomend not worrying so much on your standard bucket Tek concerns for one or two tubs as a trial. Just let it ride, one small brick, two qts verm and a gallon of water is close enough to field capacity I don't even consider checking it. Just mix it and dump it in the tub.
And also welcome to shroomery
Edited by filthyknees (11/25/20 02:32 PM)
|
RogerRabitsMycoBra
Stranger
Registered: 10/15/20
Posts: 12
|
|
Thanks for the reply and the warm welcome<3. I plan on graduating from the bucket tek. Your tek seems much easier and I plan to follow it to a T. 3 buckets filled to the brim usually leaves it a little under field capacity? I realize you can't really say more to help than you already have. You think there's a limit to how much verm you can add id its too wet ? Have you ever just thrown sub away and restarted cause it was too wet ?
|
eatyualive
Eat's You Alive :)



Registered: 08/17/01
Posts: 19,026
Loc: In Your Head
|
|
Agree always better to initially go under. Going over can turn into a mess.
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
3 buckets filled to the brim usually leaves it a little under field capacity?
>> yes always.
You think there's a limit to how much verm you can add id its too wet ?
>> Not really.
Have you ever just thrown sub away and restarted cause it was too wet ?
>> No
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
bit2ez
Stranger

Registered: 11/06/20
Posts: 25
|
|
Very impressive! Where did you get all the coir?
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: bit2ez]
#27057587 - 11/25/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
The store 
I only gotta drive a couple minutes away to get mine but i know thats not the case for everyone.
If you make your sub waaay to wet and feel like your adding too much verm ill make another dry batch in a tote with just 1 brick and add that to the mix. Then you should be able to verm it up a bit more if needed
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
bit2ez
Stranger

Registered: 11/06/20
Posts: 25
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#27057611 - 11/25/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
TedsDead said: The store 
I only gotta drive a couple minutes away to get mine but i know thats not the case for everyone.
If you make your sub waaay to wet and feel like your adding too much verm ill make another dry batch in a tote with just 1 brick and add that to the mix. Then you should be able to verm it up a bit more if needed
HAHA Unfortunately I don't have the pallets of coir brick store close by.
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: bit2ez]
#27057632 - 11/25/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Pallets of coir? Oh my that sounds like a lot, I couldn't possibly imagine.
One could probably find that on the internet, if one were so inclined.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
bit2ez
Stranger

Registered: 11/06/20
Posts: 25
|
|
Quote:
filthyknees said: Pallets of coir? Oh my that sounds like a lot, I couldn't possibly imagine.
One could probably find that on the internet, if one were so inclined.
Another reminder why I should math first, ask questions later.
It's only 3 of the 5kg blocks or 23 650g blocks.
|
Your Daddy
Registered: 11/13/20
Posts: 55
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: bit2ez]
#27057979 - 11/25/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Deleted
Edited by Your Daddy (12/04/20 09:46 PM)
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
Ya... i have a store that sells 5kg bricks.
Pallets!?!?
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
Edited by TedsDead (11/25/20 11:58 PM)
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: TedsDead]
#27058193 - 11/26/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
talk talk talk. Me likie action moar. Good luck.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Your Daddy
Registered: 11/13/20
Posts: 55
|
|
I was just saying that I think you would be able to imagine using a pallet of coir no problem 
And if by action you mean "talk is talk but lets see the walk" you will be the first invite to my upcoming threads 
|
RogerRabitsMycoBra
Stranger
Registered: 10/15/20
Posts: 12
|
Re: Coir Trough Tek [Re: bit2ez]
#27083641 - 12/11/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Thanks again man. One last thing I forgot to add: How long is the longest you let pasteurized sub sit before you use it ? I always spawn within 24 hours of pasteurization but I've always wondered if you can have it sitting for longer than that... I know coi is pretty contam resistant so I don't think it'd be that far fetched.
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
this isn't pasturized. I don't know how long you can leave it. I wouldn't push it.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Mr. Mushie

Registered: 01/16/20
Posts: 667
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
|
|
Fits perfectly in the tub. Thank you good sir 
I was super careful when spawning to bulk or else you end up with little pieces of sub and grain getting between the liner and tub on the long sides just because the liner is pre cut so low.
Do you cut the short sides after mixing your tub or leave them tall like I did for easy removal?
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
I leave them long like that on purpose for removal, I don't like trying to grab and lift using like 1/4inch of plastic. Yes they're short on the long sides, worst case if there's scraps that fall easy to lift sub up from one corner for 2 seconds, use two fingers along the corners and throw it back in the mix. I always do this after mixing if there's any.
Glad you found it helpful. Tub looks great.
Edited by filthyknees (12/23/20 07:20 AM)
|
cogumeloszebu
Stranger

Registered: 12/30/20
Posts: 10
Last seen: 2 years, 9 months
|
|
hey Filthykness, nice tek.
I ve got one question: do you use just hot tap water for achieving field capacity not boiling water?
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
Yeah. Eatyualive put out a Tek called the unbucket Tek that outlines that.
I just let the tap run until it's hot, then start collecting the water.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
|
Mr. Mushie

Registered: 01/16/20
Posts: 667
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
|
|
Quote:
filthyknees said: 15,000g coir, ~10 gallons verm, ~3.3x 5 gallon buckets of hot water and a 75 gallon stock tank.
Yields ~23 standard 56-66qt substrates in under an hour.
Forgive me for bringing this up so late, but i've thought of this since I first read the thread but never commented.
Let me start by saying I use this method all the time. Works wonderfully, thank you.
If one was scaling up a regular bucket tek (650g coir, 2 qts verm, 4 qts water), I find the math on this larger trough tek confusing.
23 subs following what I stated above would come out to:
14,950g coir 46 quarts verm or ~2.3x 5 gallon buckets 92 quarts water or ~4.6x 5 gallon buckets
I'm most curious how the water ratio is so low. The amount of water used in the OP (about 66 quarts) is what would regularly be used for ~17 substrates.
Just some confusion I had in my head when I first stumbled across this thread but never wrote it out because I felt I was missing something, maybe I still am.
Edited by Mr. Mushie (12/11/21 05:55 PM)
|
filthyknees
no coincidence


Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 6,283
|
|
You are forgiven. I meant to go back and ammend this.
Easier than weighing out bricks I would suggest using four bricks, plus twenty gallons of water.
Then verm is approximate after that, I would approximate half a bag to start with, add water or verm to taste.
Hope this helps. *Op updated* jah bless that coir
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
Edited by filthyknees (07/05/21 06:43 PM)
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
I use 24-26 gallons of water per 4 bricks but i like a slightly more hydrated sub and use a finer verm. Bricks vary from 8-12 lbs for a supposed 5kg brick so just get a feel for consistency and add accordingly
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
Mr. Mushie

Registered: 01/16/20
Posts: 667
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
|
|
Filthy, we're on the same page, but to clarify for someone who finds this thread in a few years:
4 cu. ft. is the bag of vermiculite he's referencing.
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
I use 5 gallon verm per brick of that bag and 3.5 gal of the fine stuff
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
kryptopunk69
Stranger

Registered: 01/29/22
Posts: 22
|
|
Quote:
filthyknees said: Once mixed evenly & properly hydrated, even if hot you can begin spawning.
How hot, wouldn't the mycelium burn and die from it?
|
|