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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Wombraider]
    #26901197 - 08/26/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I like rye and popcorn, I tried oats and sooo many of them contam. I cant get Rye for cheap where I live so I recently switched back to popcorn, popcorn seems slower, but never contams at least not for me. I also find its way easier to shake the jars. Oats were damn near impossible to break up in the jar.



I use whole oats from the feed store with the husk still on. I don't understand how you wouldn't be able to shake those, they roll around if i tip the jar more then about 10 degrees, unless they are colonized, then I just bang the jar on the carpet.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Theheadman100]
    #26901221 - 08/26/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There have been mentions and a couple write ups about a method like this one below, but it's nice to have a video too, and this guy clearly has a working system.

You wanna talk about simple? This is what I am trying next:



I have never seen such an easy tek, and this guy grows SHIT TONS of mushrooms so I think it's probably gonna be Gucci :thumbup:

No wasted water, no extra steps, no rinse no dry, no boil, no nada.

I am ALL about streamlining and removing steps if it works :rockon:

What do you guys think?


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Funky Monkey]
    #26901227 - 08/26/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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There have been mentions and a couple write ups about a method like this one below, but it's nice to have a video too, and this guy clearly has a working system.

You wanna talk about simple? This is what I am trying next:



I have never seen such an easy tek, and this guy grows SHIT TONS of mushrooms so I think it's probably gonna be Gucci :thumbup:

No wasted water, no extra steps, no rinse no dry, no boil, no nada.

I am ALL about streamlining and removing steps if it works :rockon:

What do you guys think?




I saw that video too...I almost picked up a 50lb bag of millet from the local feed store because of it...

I've been having such good luck with oats though using this tek



I really need to try that millet tek though...50lb bag is the smallest I can get though...


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: lateforthafuture]
    #26901240 - 08/26/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was gonna do the oat tek you just linked and then saw that guy's millet video. I'll start with the millet guy and go from there, because GOD DAMN if that don't look easy and efficient AS FUCK!?!?!

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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Funky Monkey]
    #26901244 - 08/26/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I was gonna do the oat tek you just linked and then saw that guy's millet video. I'll start with the millet guy and go from there, because GOD DAMN if that don't look easy and efficient AS FUCK!?!?!

:rockon:




Sweet man...post the results..I wanna see how the jars turn out post pc...during colinization and full colonization !!!


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: lateforthafuture]
    #26901325 - 08/26/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

C'mon guys. Its all about the prep not the grain. Oats are cheap and efficient. They work as well as any other grain if prepared properly. Check my post it's simple:

1. soak for 4-6 hours to bloom any potential contams
2. rinse and add new clean water - equal amounts of grain to water (ie. 6" grain to 6" water)
3. hard boil for 45min
4. let sit for another 20-30min
5. drain and strain overnight
6. load and PC for for 90min at 15psi
7. let them sit for 3-7 days

Done! They should be viable for at least 3 weeks or more.

You'll get at least 98%+ contam free baqs or jars.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: maxmush] * 1
    #26901406 - 08/26/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oats are badass for me, rapid boil for 30-45 min, strain load and PC. Skip all the soaking and waiting, should only take a couple hours max to prepare. Never had a problem, you can also skip rapid boil and just soak in jars or bags with water overnight, load and PC


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26901446 - 08/26/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

oats can be the way to go. if rye, wheat or wbf is available then you couldnt pay me to use oats.


oats are an inferior myco grain... in my humble opinion. but, what do i know?

i also prefer parafilm so... clearly... i'm not to be trusted...


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: maxmush]
    #26901819 - 08/27/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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C'mon guys. Its all about the prep not the grain. Oats are cheap and efficient. They work as well as any other grain if prepared properly. Check my post it's simple:




I can see how you read what I was saying like that but if you look a little closer I was using the type of grain as a reference point for which tek video I was talking about, not for which grain I saw as superior, just which tek I wanted to try to increase my overall efficiency with first. As it stands, because smell is an issue for me now at my new facility I am going to get some triple cleaned oats and try to get the millet guys tek dialed-in... I know even I'm confused now.:rofl:


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I was gonna do the oat tek you just linked and then saw that guy's millet video. I'll start with the millet guy and go from there, because GOD DAMN if that don't look easy and efficient AS FUCK!?!?!

:rockon:





I am not tripping on the grain itself, just how whitetrash easy I can make this beautiful affair. Mush love fellas :cheers:


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Funky Monkey]
    #26901873 - 08/27/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

IME whether or not a grain is good is batch dependent, not dependent on variety. All the grains are great. I've seen good oats and I've seen bad oats. Same goes for rye, millet, sorghum, barley, wheat etc.

Oats are really easy to prep. Oats and other cereal grains are often harvested with large amounts of glyphosate which is a known carcinogen. Personally I prefer to use organic "seed" grains meant for planting crops. Human food grade grains are not held to standards of viability but are held to strict cleanliness regulations. It seems like seed that has a higher percentage of viability is also much more nutritious for organisms and is free of other seeds and debris. Feed grade grain is always hit and miss. It is held to little standard and is often bottom of the barrel. I still will use feed grain, and oats seem the most reliable in that regard and are easy to prep. I have noticed more variation in quality in feed oats vs "seed" oats. Seed oats are more expensive and far less available.

There you go folks. Some more factors to take into consideration. All in all pretty much any nutritious material will work if the cultivator is skilled and knows how to adapt. Mostly I go with whats cheap and available (seed rye, birdseed, millet, barley, corn, feed oats are the easy ones around here) and adjust my own parameters to make it successful and efficient. Good luck and keep growing. Nothing in any cosm has or ever will be completely figured out.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Nichrome]
    #26902015 - 08/27/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Producers pride oats never have any particulate and don't require a rinse, clean as a whistle. I want to try using millet soon with no prep looks like a good time


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26902385 - 08/27/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Producers pride oats never have any particulate and don't require a rinse, clean as a whistle.




Im picking up 100lbs of Producer's Pride today. Having never cultivated before, I wasn't sure if that brand was any good. This is the comment I needed to read. Thanks.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26904214 - 08/28/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dr Mario... you wouldnt havent frequented LS2.com back in the day would you by chance?


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Theheadman100]
    #26904221 - 08/28/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Offlinemushman1017 Are you venting the PC for 10 minutes before you drop the weight? I had problems long ago when I forgot to vent the steam for 10 minutes before I started to build pressure. I don't remember who it was on here that did an permanent where he took a PC to pressure and shut it off and had a thermometer in it to record max temp. As I recall he found you can get to 15 psi but only be a 212F if you don't vent before you set the pressure weight.
On a side note I modified my AA921 to be a sterilizer so I generally run 2-2.5 hours at 20 PSI and I have yet to get a contam on my 60/40 Oats to WBS mix that I like.







Im running an instant pot so there is no weight to place on... set it and forget it. I am using an IP duo and IP duo nova.




If I had to guess I'd say that's your problem right there. I got this from google
"Instant Pot has a max working pressure of 15.23psi (105kpa). ... Instant Pot's working pressure is in the range of 10.15~11.6 psi. If you have small amount of food/liquid in the cooker, Instant Pot may touch 15.23psi momentarily due to the heat conduction delay"
my experience tells me you need longer times with less then 15 psi, I'd start at 3 hours and see if you still get contaminates. I have 2 electric pressure cookers and I can tell you they don't vent more then about a minute or 2. So you have 10 psi and not enough venting working against you. I think you may need 3.5 hours or more. Not trying to be a dick, but I think I'd buy a pressure cooker that runs at 15 psi or more.




I think Ive found the problem...

I keep my house at 80 degrees... but in some parts of the house it can get as hot at 86... I grow kale and salads and stuff indoors in another room and I had a bucket of water, no nutes, just sitting there... Went to look inside it and saw a bunch of algae/buildup growing... the house HAS to be too hot for things to not crap out on me.  Im just gonna wait another month to continue up so things can cool down and I can get back in the swing of things.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: mushman1017]
    #26904320 - 08/28/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr Mario... you wouldnt havent frequented LS2.com back in the day would you by chance?




Nope. Wasn't me.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26904383 - 08/28/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I had a lot of trouble with oats, but wbs has been very kind.

I skim off the floaters and leave an inch of water over my wbs.
Bring to 200 degrees F on a meat thermometer clipped to the side of the pot.
Drain.
Let sit for 45 mins to an hour.
Ready to load and pc.

Once in jars ill let sit out up to 12 hours or I'll put them in the fridge till im ready to pc.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26904438 - 08/28/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Producers pride oats never have any particulate and don't require a rinse, clean as a whistle.




Im picking up 100lbs of Producer's Pride today. Having never cultivated before, I wasn't sure if that brand was any good. This is the comment I needed to read. Thanks.




The Producers Pride that I get from my local Tractor Supply always have straw/dust and random pieces of corn in them...not so clean... I have to rinse mine good before I soak them to get the best results. Maybe the Producers Pride differs by region...who knows. They do work well though...when I first started using them I just bought a 50lb bag and starting playing with different prep methods until I found out which one worked best for me.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: lateforthafuture] * 1
    #26904496 - 08/28/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck oats. Especially producers pride. :poop:


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: lateforthafuture]
    #26905059 - 08/28/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Damn... picked up two 50lb bags yesterday. Havent opened them to inspect. I should have everything I need to start in a few days. Gonna do a bit of agar work and then I'll open up the oats and go from there.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26905156 - 08/28/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I run a mushroom farm and oats, for us, have been the only thing affordable and abundant where we are located. They absolutely can suck at first and I have lost hundreds of pounds of spawn because of seemingly magic contamination. But then I started doing my current oat prep and haven't had an issue since. I use cheap whole oats that you can find at feed stores in 50lb bags. I immediately boil my grain, no rinsing. I put them on a strong rolling boil until the centers of most oats aren't white anymore or to when a few start bursting open. I then transfer to the drying rack and let them dry a bit anywhere from 30-40 min. I do all of this outside so don't be too worried about how clean you're doing this. I then bag (or jar) the grain and load them into the PC. I like to raise whatever is in there a good bit to allow for less water displacement and fill it up good because we are going to need a good bit in there for our 2 hour and 30 minute sterilization time. Once done I carry it into my sterile lab area and let it depressurize in the cleanest possible spot because it will suck in that outside air which may play a role in mass contamination. If you don't have access to a sterile area then a funnel with an alcohol soaked cotton ball shoved into the narrow end and placing the wide end over the air release with the weight so as it sucks in air during the depressurize then the air is cleaned through the cotton ball.


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