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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator] 1
#26904915 - 08/28/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Having drugs in your system doesn't mean it's the reason why you died, that's fallacious reasoning. Even if the drugs are not a healthy combination, you have to have evidence it kill him and that evidence doesn't exist. Drug addicts can have very high levels of drugs in their system and it's not deadly at all, it's called tolerance.
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qman said: Where's this drugs in the anus evidence, I haven't heard about it.
The source for that is Floyd himself. He admitted to the cops that he shoved some Fentanyl up his ass earlier, and that might be how he’s overdosing, if it broke open. Here's the bodycam transcript- look for the part where he says he was "hooping" earlier.
Welcome, dude. I appreciate the time you put into sourcing your claims.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
#26904918 - 08/28/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Having drugs in your system doesn't mean it's the reason why you died, that's fallacious reasoning. Even if the drugs are not a healthy combination, you have to have evidence it kill him and that evidence doesn't exist. Drug addicts can have very high levels of drugs in their system and it's not deadly at all, it's called tolerance.
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qman said: Where's this drugs in the anus evidence, I haven't heard about it.
The source for that is Floyd himself. He admitted to the cops that he shoved some Fentanyl up his ass earlier, and that might be how he’s overdosing, if it broke open. Here's the bodycam transcript- look for the part where he says he was "hooping" earlier.
He had taken drugs earlier via his ass. Based on the level of norfentanyl it would have been quite a bit earlier. After reading the transcript it is perfectly clear he was having a panic attack.
The lethal dose for opiates varies over an order of magnitude depending on the person and their level of tolerance. A heavy opiate user could tolerate twice what Floyd had in his system and his metabolite level demonstrates he had taken a large dose of fentanyl hours before he died and that his level of fentanyl at the time of death was not lethal.
Just stop. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Do you actually think you understand a toxicology report better than a medical examiner? Just stop
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26904919 - 08/28/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Having drugs in your system doesn't mean it's the reason why you died, that's fallacious reasoning. Even if the drugs are not a healthy combination, you have to have evidence it kill him and that evidence doesn't exist. Drug addicts can have very high levels of drugs in their system and it's not deadly at all, it's called tolerance.
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qman said: Where's this drugs in the anus evidence, I haven't heard about it.
The source for that is Floyd himself. He admitted to the cops that he shoved some Fentanyl up his ass earlier, and that might be how he’s overdosing, if it broke open. Here's the bodycam transcript- look for the part where he says he was "hooping" earlier.
Welcome, dude. I appreciate the time you put into sourcing your claims.
Thank you sir, I appreciate that you appreciate my efforts.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26904924 - 08/28/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Having drugs in your system doesn't mean it's the reason why you died, that's fallacious reasoning. Even if the drugs are not a healthy combination, you have to have evidence it kill him and that evidence doesn't exist. Drug addicts can have very high levels of drugs in their system and it's not deadly at all, it's called tolerance.
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qman said: Where's this drugs in the anus evidence, I haven't heard about it.
The source for that is Floyd himself. He admitted to the cops that he shoved some Fentanyl up his ass earlier, and that might be how he’s overdosing, if it broke open. Here's the bodycam transcript- look for the part where he says he was "hooping" earlier.
The lethal dose for opiates varies over an order of magnitude depending on the person and their level of tolerance. A heavy opiate user could tolerate twice what Floyd had in his system and his metabolite level demonstrates he had taken a large dose of fentanyl hours before he died and that his level of fentanyl at the time of death was not lethal.
Is that why the highest survivable dose of fentanyl that this report found was less than half of that which was still active in Floyd's system?
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Just stop. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Just stop- you're STILL projecting. Even Floyd himself knew he was overdosing- are you going to argue that he didn't know what he was talking about either?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
#26904933 - 08/28/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’ll ask again. Do you really think you understand a toxicology report better than a medical examiner who spent four years in college studying the sciences then another four in medical school then another four years training in his speciality?
You’re so fucking ignorant about what you’re saying that you have no clue how ignorant you are.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
#26904938 - 08/28/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, I'm pretty sure this random account is the expert here.
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koods said: The lethal dose for opiates varies over an order of magnitude depending on the person and their level of tolerance. A heavy opiate user could tolerate twice what Floyd had in his system and his metabolite level demonstrates he had taken a large dose of fentanyl hours before he died and that his level of fentanyl at the time of death was not lethal.
Is that why the highest survivable dose of fentanyl that this report found was less than half of that which was still active in Floyd's system?
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The report concluded that the victims were cocaine users, not opioid addicts, and hence were not prepared to recognize the effects of an opioid overdose.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26904939 - 08/28/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: I’ll ask again. Do you really think you understand a toxicology report better than a medical examiner who spent four years in college studying the sciences then another four in medical school then another four years training in his speciality?
You’re so fucking ignorant about what you’re saying that you have no clue how ignorant you are.
Ohhh I see, you think in authority fallacies instead of plain 1 + 1 level logic. The highest survived dose of fentanyl that this report found was 4.6 ng/mL. How much was in Floyd again when he said he was OD'ing? Go ahead, see if you can do some thinking all on your own.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
#26904946 - 08/28/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Read the post above yours
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26904950 - 08/28/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you have any examples of anyone surviving a fentanyl dose higher than that which the report found? Or are you just really sure that since Floyd had already metabolized a lethal dose of fentanyl, that he could've gone on metabolizing several times more than that lethal dose, and that he himself was wrong when he claimed he was OD'ing?
Oh, and you keep forgetting how deadly meth is in combination with fentanyl, let alone the already lethal dose of fentanyl alone that Floyd had ingested.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26904958 - 08/28/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You do understand a heavy user of opiates will be able to tolerate a dose up to 15-20 times higher than what would kill a first time user, right? This is a very well understood phenomenon. It’s the reason why opiate addicts who have been sober for a while are more likely to OD because doses that were fine when they were an active addict can now kill them.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26904969 - 08/28/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: I’ll ask again. Do you really think you understand a toxicology report better than a medical examiner who spent four years in college studying the sciences then another four in medical school then another four years training in his speciality?
You’re so fucking ignorant about what you’re saying that you have no clue how ignorant you are.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26904971 - 08/28/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You do understand a heavy user of opiates will be able to tolerate a dose up to 15-20 times higher than what would kill a first time user, right? This is a very well understood phenomenon. It’s the reason why opiate addicts who have been sober for a while are more likely to OD because doses that were fine when they were an active addict can now kill them.
Someone has survived a 69 - 92 ng/mL dose of fentanyl? Show me that.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
#26904973 - 08/28/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trust_d Cultivator said: Do you have any examples of anyone surviving a fentanyl dose higher than that which the report found? Or are you just really sure that since Floyd had already metabolized a lethal dose of fentanyl, that he could've gone on metabolizing several times more than that lethal dose, and that he himself was wrong when he claimed he was OD'ing?
http://uthscsa.edu/artt/AddictionJC/2020-02-11-Sutter.pdf
18 overdoses. Average concentration was 52 ng/ml. Highest was 162 ng/ml. All survived except one.
Are we done with this bullshit now?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26904977 - 08/28/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trust_d Cultivator said: Do you have any examples of anyone surviving a fentanyl dose higher than that which the report found? Or are you just really sure that since Floyd had already metabolized a lethal dose of fentanyl, that he could've gone on metabolizing several times more than that lethal dose, and that he himself was wrong when he claimed he was OD'ing?
http://uthscsa.edu/artt/AddictionJC/2020-02-11-Sutter.pdf
18 overdoses. Average concentration was 52 ng/ml. Highest was 162 ng/ml. All survived except one.
And the others underwent cardiopulmonary resuscitation, required extracorporeal life support, required intubation, required bag-valve-mask ventilation, and had recurrence of toxicity after 8 hours after naloxone discontinuation. They also all required boluses of naloxone, and four required prolonged naloxone infusions (26–39 hours).
So not much of a cake walk surviving any of that, and like I said before, if Floyd had stayed in the car where the cops could've given him Narcan like all of your patients needed to survive, he probably could have survived too.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26904985 - 08/28/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If someone shoots gun and the bullet whizzes past your head. You turn around and by the time you see the shooter he's thrown the gun down. You can't shoot him. And even a cop shouldn't be able to.
So why do you get to run up to someone shoot them in the head after a maybe Molotov doesn't harm you and there's not another one about to cause you harm.
You don't bring your guns down to a protest to protect private property you don't own unless you're a cocksucker looking to act like a lowlife thug
I expect better from you. Anyone may defend anyone from harm. Just because it wasnt his store, it was his families and friends and you are allowed to protect them too. Utter nonsense. Especially whwn you consider these rioters were beating people and burning the city down. More should have been shot! The hatred these rioters have is unreal. Burning down stores that dis nothing. Innocent people beaten because theyre white. Then you complain when they are shot IN SELF DEFENSE. GIVE ME A BREAK! HAH!
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
#26904990 - 08/28/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow you are so damned determined to believe this theory that you simply will deny every single piece of evidence that demonstrates the level of fentanyl in his blood was not lethal, just to excuse the actions of the police. He did not die of an overdose. Saying otherwise is a lie.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: meltdowner] 3
#26904991 - 08/28/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You just said more people should have been shot and youre saying everyone else is full of hate??
Holy shit dude
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26904993 - 08/28/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Wow you are so damned determined to believe this theory that you simply will deny every single piece of evidence that demonstrates the level of fentanyl in his blood was not lethal, just to excuse the actions of the police. He did not die of an overdose. Saying otherwise is a lie.
Post some evidence. I've seen this guy post like 30 links and you zero.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26904995 - 08/28/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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He did. All you have to do is follow the damn thread which no one wants to do
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26904996 - 08/28/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: You just said more people should have been shot and youre saying everyone else is full of hate??
Holy shit dude 
He's saying anyone that was participating in the destruction of private property should have been shot, and I agree.
It's backwards thinking to call people on the defense the haters. Go get pissed at the rioters who are destroying other people's livelihoods in the first place.
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