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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
    #26904778 - 08/28/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

According to Trust D, the cop had no reason to touch Floyd as he was already over dosing.

If this were true, the cops should have administered CPR, as I'm sure they are trained to do. In this scenario, Floyd's death would indeed be unfortunate, but probably self inflicted.

Instead, at best, the cop asphyxiated an individual that was over dosing. That makes it better?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26904779 - 08/28/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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According to Trust D, the cop had no reason to touch Floyd as he was already over dosing.






Nonsense, the cop had every reason to touch Floyd because he was completely out of control- that is how he ended up under a cop's knee in the first place.  He had just shoved meth and fentanyl-laced heroin up his BUTTHOLE, and he was just going bonkers.  They had him in the car, he wouldn't stay in.  He said "I'm claustrophobic", "I'mma lay on the ground", so instead of just sitting in the car where they could have given him Narcan to prevent him from dying of the fentanyl overdose he had while being infected with Covid-19 and having clogged arteries, he went down on the ground.

No mentally sane human being could watch this video and say that Floyd was murdered because of "racism." This is a very low effort hoax, even worse than the Trayvon Martin hoax.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
    #26904788 - 08/28/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The man who was out of breath was out of control?

I know that when I get out of breath I do all sorts of wild shit.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
    #26904793 - 08/28/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Having drugs in your system doesn't mean it's the reason why you died, that's fallacious reasoning. Even if the drugs are not a healthy combination, you have to have evidence it kill him and that evidence doesn't exist. Drug addicts can have very high levels of drugs in their system and it's not deadly at all, it's called tolerance.




Oh, but when you want to say that someone died of racism, you don't have to have any evidence at all.  In fact, you can even have an autopsy report which reveals no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation, while also revealing that he had fatal levels of fentanyl at the time of his passing, and yet still somehow manage to blame his death on white supremacy.  Did I get that right?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
    #26904795 - 08/28/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Actually I misrepresented your argument. He wasn't out of breath, he just couldn't breath and was likely ODing.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26904799 - 08/28/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The man who was out of breath was out of control?

I know that when I get out of breath I do all sorts of wild shit.




Ok, and if you were doing all sorts of wild shit while being placed under arrest, the police would restrain you exactly as they did Floyd, and it wouldn't make any difference in the world what color your skin is.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26904801 - 08/28/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually I misrepresented your argument. He wasn't out of breath, he just couldn't breath and was likely ODing.




Thanks for acknowledging that.  Yes, he was definitely OD'ing.  You can debate whether the cops handled it perfectly, but that he was OD'ing is a fact.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator] * 6
    #26904805 - 08/28/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The extent people on this site go to justify killing someone is crazy. Wtf is wrong with you people and your fucked up values?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
    #26904807 - 08/28/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So ODing is a fact. He could not breath.

Why did the officers wait almost two full minutes after his pulse had stopped to remove his knee from Floyd's neck? Just like a big oopsy?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26904808 - 08/28/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The extent people on this site go to justify killing someone is crazy. Wtf is wrong with you people and your fucked up values?




Who was killed? We're talking about someone who OD'd here, remember?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator] * 2
    #26904812 - 08/28/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

George Floyd did not die because he was black. He died because he was high on substance, resisted arrest because of his state of mind, and was arrested by officers who seemingly had no idea how to deal with someone experiencing some kind of a panic attack while on drugs, which led to them using added force which may have contributed to his death. BLM know this to be true, Sean King and scammers like him know this to be true, and most politicians know this to be true. Nonetheless, they used his death to push a narrative that serves their political agendas.

Congratulations America, your media has played, misguided, fooled and used you once again.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator] * 1
    #26904813 - 08/28/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually I misrepresented your argument. He wasn't out of breath, he just couldn't breath and was likely ODing.




Thanks for acknowledging that.  Yes, he was definitely OD'ing.  You can debate whether the cops handled it perfectly, but that he was OD'ing is a fact.




Holy shit. First off. That’s not how you die from opiates. Opiates do not prevent a conscious person from breathing. If you are conscious you are perfectly capable of taking voluntary breaths. People ODing on opiates do not have a sense that they can’t breathe. opiates block involuntary breathing. The kind of breathing that occurs when you are not thinking about trying to breathe, are asleep or otherwise unconscious.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
    #26904816 - 08/28/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So like the people who are supposed to protect us basically used unnecessary force as a result of negligence and Floyd died. I’m 100% they are trained in CPR as well as a host of other preventative and safety measures. If I run somebody over in my car and act like I didn’t know any better does that remove my guilt? No. Those boys in blue sure have it easy. Who are they even accountable to?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 2
    #26904819 - 08/28/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually I misrepresented your argument. He wasn't out of breath, he just couldn't breath and was likely ODing.




Thanks for acknowledging that.  Yes, he was definitely OD'ing.  You can debate whether the cops handled it perfectly, but that he was OD'ing is a fact.




Holy shit. First off. That’s not how you die from opiates. Opiates do not prevent a conscious person from breathing. If you are conscious you are perfectly capable of taking voluntary breaths. People ODing on opiates do not have a sense that they can’t breathe. opiates block involuntary breathing. The kind of breathing that occurs when you are not thinking about trying to breathe, are asleep or otherwise unconscious.




Holy shit, that is not how fentanyl works.  Low-dose fentanyl alone causes respiratory depression and arrest.  When you COMBINE it with methamphetamine as George Floyd did, it is known to be highly lethal, and to result in cardiac arrest and respiratory failure, which is exactly what happened to him.

Also, watch this.  George Floyd did not die because of "racism"- although he may have died partially because these police officers had no clue how to deal with someone experiencing some kind of a panic attack while on drugs.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26904829 - 08/28/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Don’t believe this bullshit. The amount of opiates in his blood are perfectly survivable if you are an opiate user, which we know he was because he had significant levels of fent metabolites. What is the evidence he stuck drugs in his ass and even if he did it would be unlikely in 10-15 minutes that sticking these drugs in an ass without a solvent could be absorbed quickly enough to be fatal.

As far as I can tell this guy is just a bootlicker who thinks cops have the right to murder people


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26904832 - 08/28/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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As far as I can tell this guy is just a bootlicker who thinks cops have the right to murder people




We've been over the autopsy and toxicology reports which show that George Floyd did not die due to strangulation, who's this murdered person you're talking about?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
    #26904839 - 08/28/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually I misrepresented your argument. He wasn't out of breath, he just couldn't breath and was likely ODing.




Thanks for acknowledging that.  Yes, he was definitely OD'ing.  You can debate whether the cops handled it perfectly, but that he was OD'ing is a fact.




Holy shit. First off. That’s not how you die from opiates. Opiates do not prevent a conscious person from breathing. If you are conscious you are perfectly capable of taking voluntary breaths. People ODing on opiates do not have a sense that they can’t breathe. opiates block involuntary breathing. The kind of breathing that occurs when you are not thinking about trying to breathe, are asleep or otherwise unconscious.




Holy shit, that is not how fentanyl works.  Low-dose fentanyl alone causes respiratory depression and arrest.  When you COMBINE it with methamphetamine as George Floyd did, it is known to be highly lethal, and to result in cardiac arrest and respiratory failure, which is exactly what happened to him.

Also, watch this.




The hallmark of respiratory depression is the lack of an urge to breathe. Someone who has a lack of an urge to breathe would not be yelling “I can’t breathe.” Anyone on opiates is fully capable of taking voluntary breaths if they want to. It’s the involuntary breathing - the breathing that happens without thinking about it that slows down. Someone in this state is barely conscious. They aren’t thinking about breathing. A fully awake and aware person will not be suffering from significant respiratory depression.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26904843 - 08/28/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Don’t believe this bullshit. The amount of opiates in his blood are perfectly survivable if you are an opiate user, which we know he was because he had significant levels of fent metabolites. What is the evidence he stuck drugs in his ass and even if he did it would be unlikely in 10-15 minutes that sticking these drugs in an ass without a solvent could be absorbed quickly enough to be fatal.




A normal lethal dose of fentanyl is somewhere around 3ng/mL.  Before George Floyd died he tested positive for the following: Fentanyl 11 ng/mL, Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL, and Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL.  I've already shown you how lethal fentanyl and methamphetamine are when taken together, as well as how far out of his mind George Floyd was when he died- can you work out the rest?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Trust_d Cultivator]
    #26904844 - 08/28/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52861726

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At one point, Mr Floyd gasps: "You're going to kill me, man."

Officer Chauvin replies: "Then stop talking, stop yelling. It takes heck of a lot of oxygen to talk."

Mr Floyd says: "Can't believe this, man. Mom, love you. Love you. Tell my kids I love them. I'm dead."




https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/04/869278494/medical-examiners-autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus

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Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

The medical examiner's report also details blunt-force injuries to the skin of Floyd's head, face and upper lip, as well as the shoulders, hands and elbows and bruising of the wrists consistent with handcuffs.

Signed by Dr. Andrew M. Baker, it says Floyd had tested positive for the novel coronavirus on April 3. A post-mortem nasal swab confirmed that diagnosis. The report notes that because a positive result for coronavirus can persist for weeks after the disease has resolved, "the result most likely reflects asymptomatic but persistent ... positivity from previous infection."

In addition to fentanyl and methamphetamine, the toxicology report from the autopsy showed that Floyd also had cannabinoids in his system when he died.

Floyd also had heart disease, hypertension and sickle cell trait — a mostly asymptomatic form of the more serious sickle cell disease, an inherited blood disorder that primarily affects African Americans.

On Wednesday, Minnesota Attorney Gen




Not a single report of that over dose, or being unable to breath before being restrained.

To be clear, this is reported from video, not from the police report. The former seems a tad more reliable, as you've pointed out.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26904847 - 08/28/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Not a single report of that over dose, or being unable to breath before being restrained.




Except for the toxicology report here, and the video of Floyd saying he couldn't breath before being restrained.

This is why you need to look at primary sources instead of allowing yourselves to be manipulated by the spinster media.


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