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God's One Uncertainty.
    #26904583 - 08/28/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

We have no verifiable truth. Everything is a beliefs system, which is more or less functional.

Enlightenment is levelling up to a super-functional beliefs system.

Its still - just that.

God told me that even on His level there is an uncertainty. He told me that He is the multiverse in every single one of its possible permutations and that every single thing within the multiverse points towards that it is the totality of everything that is in any way possible and that he is all that, completely.

He then said: But even that, is entirely internally referential. It is entirely possible that there are other types of multiverse, for which there is absolutely not a single sign available that these exist. So even I, The God of All Things, can only assume to be the God of All Things because all of my knowledge, which is absolute, is only absolute within my own frame of reference, it is internally referential with no possibility in all of eternity to latch onto a clue of something other out there, even a zillion dimensions completely out of my realm.

This does not torment me in the least, I am completely at peace with it.


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Re: God's One Uncertainty. [Re: Asante]
    #26904957 - 08/28/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

so there's an, I dare not believe, but another universe where buddha was an unenlightened fool? a universe where Jesus became a pharisee? (I hate to posit, but I'm trying to fathom your BS of an uncontrolled God with no omnipotence and power of limitation, remember, did he not create Maya/Delusion, and even that's within his control and limits)

A God that can create all this (go look around outside for a moment) and control/limit physic's, physiology and psychology, but you say can't know or effect certain other universe's? I think of as God before creation, before heaven and hell, yet he glory's as seeing all eternity, infinity, birthless, deathless, ALL, so in a sense, it's all always existed in his view.

To me, God is the highest concept, above and beyond any imagination or conceiving. while making himself known, he still remains unknowable, we may or may not known the ALL, the entire multiverse's, as God's in ourselves, I think God's voice your hearing is describing what you, the God you are, can or will perceive, but I don't believe in a hell bound Jesus or a failed Buddha, if every possible exinstence was real, there would be an eternal hell somewhere, for someone, could be this world in fact.


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Re: God's One Uncertainty. [Re: Asante]
    #26905356 - 08/29/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:
We have no verifiable truth. Everything is a beliefs system, which is more or less functional.

Enlightenment is levelling up to a super-functional beliefs system.

Its still - just that.

God told me that even on His level there is an uncertainty. He told me that He is the multiverse in every single one of its possible permutations and that every single thing within the multiverse points towards that it is the totality of everything that is in any way possible and that he is all that, completely.

He then said: But even that, is entirely internally referential. It is entirely possible that there are other types of multiverse, for which there is absolutely not a single sign available that these exist. So even I, The God of All Things, can only assume to be the God of All Things because all of my knowledge, which is absolute, is only absolute within my own frame of reference, it is internally referential with no possibility in all of eternity to latch onto a clue of something other out there, even a zillion dimensions completely out of my realm.

This does not torment me in the least, I am completely at peace with it.




Claim 1: There is no verifiable truth

Claim 2: God told me X, Y, Z about reality...


How do you know this information is accurate if you're insisting truth isn't verifiable to human beings...?

Do you not see your own rational contradiction here?


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Re: God's One Uncertainty. [Re: saintdextro]
    #26905479 - 08/29/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Loaded Shaman said:


Claim 1: There is no verifiable truth

Claim 2: God told me X, Y, Z about reality...


How do you know this information is accurate if you're insisting truth isn't verifiable to human beings...?

Do you not see your own rational contradiction here?





There is no contradiction.

God permeates the whole system. He embodies the entire system and therefore his knowledge of that system is absolute. His knowledge within that system therefore is absolute, and he states it so.

This is far differenrt from man. We cannot account for 85% of the observed mass of the universe, to name just one gaping plothole. We KNOW that we DO NOT KNOW IT ALL and that therefore ALL OUR TRUTHS MAY BE OVERTHROWN BY YET UNKNOWN FACTS THAT PUT THINGS IN A COMPLETELY NEW LIGHT.

Thats pure logic, not hard to follow. Any scientist knows that science approximates truth but does not deal in absolute truths. They resign this to religion.

God tells me things about reality. He also tells me that he instills within me a metaphorical model of the Universe that, if completed, not just lends itself to a higher level of functionality but which also is transferable to others who then can use this to help themselves and others rise beyond their previous limitations.

He provides a logical construct that is highly fruitful. He does not say "Hear ye, hear ye, behold the absolute truth." On the contrary he makes the claim that within his own system he is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient and that he is conveying a logical model of the universe for me to write a book about for the purpose of helping people heal themselves and each other, like it is doing for me.

He expressly told me that he deals not in absolute truth but tells me what I NEED to hear, irregardless of any underlying absolute truth.


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I'm trying to fathom your BS




You're rude as fuck. I owe you nothing other than common decency, but so do you. *hangs up the phone*


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Re: God's One Uncertainty. [Re: Asante]
    #26905520 - 08/29/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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saintdextro said:

I'm trying to fathom your BS




You're rude as fuck. I owe you nothing other than common decency, but so do you. *hangs up the phone*




haha, it just so happens i cussed out my close Friend on the phone last night hung up the phone twice on him, co-incident again? I love you Asante, don't take it to heart, either take the BS comment as a bug you pay no attention to, so it has no where to light on you, or better yet, become completely aware, passively alert, observant, look outside at the sky, the tree's, the people without naming them, no calling the sky "sky", no Tree "Oak tree" or "Banyan tree" or even "tree", we all have images of what we think we are, and we all have images of what we think of others, and they have images of us, but when you are attentive, completely attentive, with pliability and freedom from fear, see all around you without naming anything, just be passively aware and alert of the people and nature,,,anf than with that purified awareness, attend to yourself, look inside yourself without naming or terming,,and when you look with that passive attention, is there an image of you at all? there is no hurt when you have no image for yourself or others, in fact, that is the only way to banish hurt, it's the image that gets hurt and feels pain, it usually builds a wall of defence around it self as it grows up with hurt of this image, you get as child through parents and at school, as you grow up, it's your job and significant other that hurt your image, but when you build a wall of defence for this image, you set up a Resistance, you block love and communion with others because there's a wall separating you, you may say "I Love You!" but it's just words, there's a division built to defend the image, and division separates and cause's conflict, misery.

And when you build a wall of defense, you will see that defending yourself is violence, defense is violent, for a moment I was aware of my own image when I saw your response "hangs up the phone", and it hurt me, but than I observed the situation, and started typing impulsively, and really I just wanna apologize and though I Wil say, when there's praising of oneself and disparaging of others in views, beliefs, new visions and so on, and that's the way you enforce, control by fear, exploit the poor in Spirit, and cause the corruption that is in this ugly world, please, I'm sure you will avoid that with your book(s) and teaching, I believe in you actually, or at least there's hope, but my brain see's Reality differently, we need to meet at the same level and commune.

I'm also really hoping that my insults and mistakes to you or everyone else are forgiven by the blood of Jesus, so we don't take foul descriptions of are schizophrenia too hard, in fact, just think that silly, confused fucker! God know he threw me in a confused and dangerous world, problems every seconds to face, illusions and delusions from both within and without, with rare moments of clarity and joy (or we would have killed ourselves a long time ago!), surely the voice's tell about that too, right? your a smart and cool guy, you know what I'm talking about, I'm just saying we both better avoid that attitude, of which I honestly guilty of by saying it's BS, and you're somewhat immature response (I deserved it, I Fucked up and did the same to one of my best friends last night! honestly! )

The image you have of yourself is gonna get more tarnish and abuse from here at the Shroomery and the World over, you can say fuck them, hang up the phone, but that's isolation, burying the problem, avoiding it makes it fester, you have to face me, and correct me, I may not identify you as my guru or legitimate Master, but /i need to learn from you, if i say it's bullshit and you get angry and run away from the conflict, or are in any contention with the conflict/problem/questions/insults,,, you just don't some ready to expound, but I have great expectations from you in the future,,, the point is, how are you gonna handle it when other people say "no"?


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And radiance within himself
That man becomes one with God
And vanishes into God's bliss."

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One 21 - Pacified
One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine
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Re: God's One Uncertainty. [Re: Asante]
    #26905555 - 08/29/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If I forgive you, God surely will, through the blood of Christ or otherwise.

If you reread Gods statement, he says clearly that he is omniscient within the totality of everything, is in fact the totality of everything, that the totality of everything points singularly to the only outcome that there is no possibility for anything existing outside of that, but he adds, basically, that even being and knowing everything there is to know is still a closed system and that there may be systems entirely outside of that, with strictly no way of knowing. That is the theoretical musing of an omniscient being, and indeed it holds logical merit.

It doesn't make him any less onmiscient, just less full of himself :lol:

I guess that is his message: no matter how certain we are of anything, we can still be blind to a higher truth.


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Re: God's One Uncertainty. [Re: Asante]
    #26905641 - 08/29/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's seems my imagination that connects the amazing power to create existence, so fixed, expansive but with physics set with boundaries, created by pure nothingness (boundless, no center of being) or something I believe is higher than nothingness (think Buddhist Nirvana or the complete cessation of perception and feeling, the highest state of Samadhi, I imagine God higher, above and beyond "emptiness").

This is where I see your Idea as a curious thought but not a sure thing, here we go as I see it, what ever we think about is of the mind, the known, we cannot think beyond the mind, the known, God can know beyond the known, we are limited to the known, God is unlimited to the known, we are bound by physics and laws, God is Unlimited by physics and any law, he's so beyond us he doesn't think like us.

Are you or are you not setting up a standard with what the human mind can conceive of what it's like to be omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent ect (even those words are what I believe very shallow description of the ultimate conceived "God of Everything".) Is it human physics that make God look like he can never known beyond the way we perceive and conceive what's outside us? you see what I'm saying, I understand your idea, but it just seems like it's limiting God to human levels what it's like to try to see beyond the mind, the known. Is that not impossible for humans to see beyond the mind, the known, but God is just so ultimate he does not fit into human logic or physics. (though making himself known, he still remains unknowable)

Does that make sense? feel free to call me an idiot, it might hurt me a brief second, because I'm not perfect at the virtue of Patience and Tolerance, though I need to learn it someday, somehow, from someone! the beggar is not an obstacle to generosity and the abbot is not a hindrance to initiation, the harasser is on lt teaching you the Virtue of Patience!:grin:

Your idea is openly conceivable to a human standard of God, but God as a Conceivable standard of God to himself is just not in are ball park.


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"He who finds peace and joy
And radiance within himself
That man becomes one with God
And vanishes into God's bliss."

-Bhagavad Gita, 5.24
One 21 - Building Better Bombs
One 21 - Pacified
One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine
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